• Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
  • We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.

Lukar

Unshakable Resolve - Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 27, 2017
23,428
What are the chances the show is getting cancelled?
Slim to none. Even with the ratings dropping, a lot of people still tune in, and it's still AMC's biggest show.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of cast members drop off in the next couple of years, namely the folks who've been around since season one. Just speculation, but I feel like they'll want to be done with the show at some point.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
I thought Season 5 was very strong, and there's been a noticeable decline since. I hated S6 because of all of the gimmickry that was going on, and because the first half of that season was absolutely dreadful. I actually preferred S7 as a whole, but that's largely because of how entertaining JDM is. Though when Negan and Simon (the villains) are the best part of your show, you done goofed.

It's really bad right now, all across the board. I can't remember the last time an episode ended and I was like, "Oh man, I can't wait to see what happens next week!" It's been a while...

Season 5 is the peak of the series for me. Season 6 was the beginning of the massive slide. To me, that's when the characters making moronic decisions became something that happened on a far more regular basis. And that's when they tainted the season with the ridiculous gimmicky nonsense.

Daryl being fake shot at the end of the season was one of the worst things I've seen in this series.
 

Violence Jack

Drive-in Mutant
Member
Oct 25, 2017
41,861
I ended up having what happened spoiled for me since I keep forgetting to tune in because the show really hasn't been capturing my attention lately. This idea of showing Carl's been bit and using that as a cliffhanger is pretty bad. I really hope they're not planning on dragging that out over numerous episodes of him dying, but I am intrigued to see just how far off the rails Rick goes.
 

Big G

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,605
The unconventional structures really ooze arrogance. They keep trying to tell their stories with confusing timelines. They've done it for the past few seasons, ever since they left the prison. It's like they want the show to feel intelligent but it's just annoying and leaves a lot of holes.
Yep. There's been an air of "look at how artsy we are!" for a while, but the craftsmanship just isn't there to back it up. And all it does it hurt the overall product. Time that could be spent on telling a coherent story or on development for underutilized characters is instead used up on flashbacks, flashforwards, slow-mo shots of everyone's faces, etc.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of cast members drop off in the next couple of years, namely the folks who've been around since season one. Just speculation, but I feel like they'll want to be done with the show at some point.
At the very end of the episode when Rick made his way back to Alexandria and everyone is gone, all I kept thinking was "Man, if this is how Rick goes out, then that would be a big deal." All of those visions of the future Rick was having, and then it's him that doesn't live to see it. Or maybe Rick kills/captures Negan now -- that certainly would have been unexpected at this point.

That's the biggest failure of last night's episode. They kept teasing "the shocking moment that everyone will be talking about!", but after 85 minutes of making it abundantly clear that something bad was going to happen to Carl, the only uncertainty I had was how Carl was going to die. If Gimple really thought there was a ton of shock value in the Carl revelation, then I don't know what to say.

Daryl being fake shot at the end of the season was one of the worst things I've seen in this series.
And that was only like the third-most infuriating thing from that season, behind the Glenn dumpster fake-out and the galling Negan cliffhanger.
 
Last edited:

dyst

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,461
1. We don't know if a certain character is going to die . With this show, anything can happen. Maybe they will chop a flesh out of his stomach so the virus doesn't spread, sort of like how they did with other characters.

2. It's true, why the heck didn't Rick just bash Megan's head in with the bat. I hate when shows/books/movies do that. You make this plan to kill him but given countless opportunity to do so and you don't.
 

Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
Lol we get one episode where something we care about happens and people are legitimately making arguments that the show hasn't gone downhill in quality. Fan reviews and critical consensus clearly show a dip in quality over at least the last season and a half.

Take a look at the comparison between reviews on RT and IMDB.

You're really gunna tell me that the writing and general direction of the story, quality of the dialogue and character interactions, acting, casting, cinematography, music, etc is the same as in the beginning/middle of the show?

Come on
 
Last edited:

king_kerry

Avenger
Oct 30, 2017
387
Everything is pointing to Carl dying by the mid season premiere. Chandler wanted to progress outside of TWD and attend college. He also hasn't been on set for the recent filming of the latter of the second half and is sporting a new haircut. On Talking Dead they said they're treating it like any other bite and the only way to fool the audience and have Carl survive (and dumbest way) is..
Hidden content
You need to reply to this thread in order to see this content.
 

Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
Everything is pointing to Carl dying by the mid season premiere. Chandler wanted to progress outside of TWD and attend college. He also hasn't been on set for the recent filming of the latter of the second half and is sporting a new haircut. On Talking Dead they said they're treating it like any other bite and the only way to fool the audience and have Carl survive (and dumbest way) is..
Hidden content
You need to reply to this thread in order to see this content.
Haha if they pulled that, they'd actually top the dumpster dive.

Also, he wouldn't have a fever if that were the case
 

AkuMifune

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
486
How about a blood transfusion from maggie? The doctor is in his way back just in time! Maybe pregnant ladies are immune!

This sucks. Stupid.
 

Betty

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
17,604
Maybe the bite was from Enid cuz she's kinky... or perhaps Judith is teething, both are possibilities.
 

L.O.R.D

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,687
WTF DID I JUST WATCHED?
seriously, it's stupid

also, is it really season finale? no episode 9 after 2 month?
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,752
Norman, OK
Negan's portayal doesn't help. His introduction was great. He seemed powerful, smart, psychologically poking and prodding Rick

Now? All he is the Negan lean, the one-liners, making stupid decisions like walking out in front of an entire enemy army with guns aiming at him like he's invincible. He's an incompetent one-note villain that the show keeps trying to tell us is effective and threatening

You're not wrong. But that same one-note, making stupid decisions issue applies to everyone on the show now, not just Negan. Gimple has pretty well destroyed this show.
 

Lukar

Unshakable Resolve - Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 27, 2017
23,428
So the admins on The Spoiling Dead Fans posted their explanation of why they wouldn't release a Q&A breakdown for last night's episode, and apparently what happened was Chandler himself reached out and asked them not to spoil it. I think one thing he said in his request was interesting though:

out of respect for me, for carl, and for one of the last few seasons of the show, i'm asking you to not spoil the ending of 808 once your sources inform you of what happens.

Maybe I'm misreading it, but it sounds like the show's coming to an end in the next few years after all? Not very surprising, but still interesting that he'd say that.

Does the comics ever venture into a possibility of immune people?
I only read through the end of All Out War, but I don't remember anything like that being brought up. The closest thing was Eugene's lie about knowing of a cure.
 
Last edited:

metalgear89

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,018
Really starting to like carl the last few episodes, knew something fishy was up. Even though we are 8 seasons in, i still think he has more to give.

And what are the writers trying to accomplish with eugene? The redemption ship has sailed your not getting any brownie points by letting jesus free, watching any scene with him is agonising.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Well, looks like the shit show is about to start.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/wal...inale-chandler-riggs-scott-gimple-1202635962/

The father of a key "Walking Dead" character vented his frustrations with the show and showrunner Scott Gimple on social media following his son's onscreen death in this Sunday's midseason finale.

"Watching Gimple fire my son 2 weeks before his 18th birthday after telling him they wanted him for the next 3 years was disappointing," William Riggs, father of Carl Grimes actor Chandler Riggs, wrote on Facebook. "I never trusted Gimple or AMC but Chandler did. I know how much it hurt him. But we do absolutely know how lucky we have been to be a part of it all and appreciate all the love from fans all these years!"

I believe the father here. AMC has a questionable history and I simply don't trust Gimple or find him to be a coherent showrunner.
 

Catdaddy

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,963
TN
Suck for Carl, but good for Chandler Riggs – as long as he gets that college degree from Auburn, have something to fall back on. Pretty sure he'd forever be typecast as "Carl from TWD" trying to get acting gigs.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Sorry, I'm confused. I thought Chandler wanted off the show to do other stuff?

He was accepted to college but was taking time off first to focus on acting.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...ing-die-chandler-riggs-exit-interview-1066031

You recently were acceptedto college. Was it your decision to leave The Walking Dead?

I'm taking a gap year right now to focus on acting for a while. Leaving Walking Dead wasn't my decision. It was all story related. It made sense story-wise for it to happen for Rick and Michonne and all the other characters.
 

scitek

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,080
I bet Gimple felt like a shocking death would provide a spark to combat the declining ratings. I don't think it was handled very well, though. I mean, I felt sadder when the tiger died FFS.
 

Jerm411

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,034
Clinton, MO
I bet Gimple felt like a shocking death would provide a spark to combat the declining ratings. I don't think it was handled very well, though. I mean, I felt sadder when the tiger died FFS.

That's the problem, it wasn't shocking at all really...they hinted at it throughout the episode and Carl really hasn't been a focus this season. Not only that but IMO he's had some Glen to him where he's cheated death a few times already, cheapens it.

Still think it would've been a lot more effective if they had Negan Lucille him in front of Rick, I got the context of his death with their writing but just think that would've added more to the entire Rick/Negan dynamic and the All Out War.
 

Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
So just to get this straight

Carl got bit when he helped that one dude out in the daylight a few episodes back?
 

Enforced

Member
Oct 26, 2017
647
Im sad Carl is going to die. In my opinion, it kinda ruined the scene on Carl and Lori before Lori's death.
 

Lukar

Unshakable Resolve - Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 27, 2017
23,428
Im sad Carl is going to die. In my opinion, it kinda ruined the scene on Carl and Lori before Lori's death.
Yup. Carl's been set up to surpass Rick, but now all that buildup is out the window. I really don't see why they felt this was the way to make people like the show more.
 

Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
Why didn't they just plan to recast when they do the time jump?

Im sad Carl is going to die. In my opinion, it kinda ruined the scene on Carl and Lori before Lori's death.
Yup sure does. Makes literally no sense for him to die. But I can't say I'm too broken up about it.

It's definitely a "oh shit, someone from S1 died" and "Wow look at Rick's destroyed face" moment for me, and I haven't felt that way about TWD in some time. I thought the last minute or so was very well done.
 
Oct 27, 2017
17,973
Why didn't they just plan to recast when they do the time jump?


Yup sure does. Makes literally no sense for him to die. But I can't say I'm too broken up about it.

It's definitely a "oh shit, someone from S1 died" and "Wow look at Rick's destroyed face" moment for me, and I haven't felt that way about TWD in some time. I thought the last minute or so was very well done.

There were a few moments in this episode with Carl that were well done. The only thing with Rick is that we've been there and done that with his "shaken to the core" moments, how many do they have left for him?

I saw or heard somewhere that in Rick's dreams Carl and Michonne haven't aged? Could that mean something? Her career has been on the rise, she wrote a play, and she's part of the MCU now.
 

Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
There were a few moments in this episode with Carl that were well done. The only thing with Rick is that we've been there and done that with his "shaken to the core" moments, how many do they have left for him?

I saw or heard somewhere that in Rick's dreams Carl and Michonne haven't aged? Could that mean something? Her career has been on the rise, she wrote a play, and she's part of the MCU now.
Yeah it will be interesting to see how they handle Rick from here.
 

More_Badass

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,623
There were a few moments in this episode with Carl that were well done. The only thing with Rick is that we've been there and done that with his "shaken to the core" moments, how many do they have left for him?

I saw or heard somewhere that in Rick's dreams Carl and Michonne haven't aged? Could that mean something? Her career has been on the rise, she wrote a play, and she's part of the MCU now.
Michonne has barely been in this season too
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,031
I bet Gimple felt like a shocking death would provide a spark to combat the declining ratings. I don't think it was handled very well, though. I mean, I felt sadder when the tiger died FFS.

If they wanted to do something like this to combat the sinking ratings, they should've had Negan get killed out of nowhere in some horrific and unexpected way. The show has been a complete shitfest and snorefest since the Saviors storyline started.

I'm so glad i stopped watching after the season 8 premiere. I read up on the episodes after they air to save myself the extreme aggravation i had been feeling when i watched it live. At the end of last season, what were we promised? All out War in season 8...YES!!! Ricks's team is going to fight back YES!!!! WOOHOO!!! While that has turned out to be somewhat true, we've had nothing but dragged out character drama, not ONE key Savior person has been killed, and now again, another one of Rick's core people are dying/dead.

We can only hope now, (but knowing Gimple and these complete dumb shit writers it wont happen this way) that this sends Rick over the edge and he goes nuts and kills Negan in a horrific and barbaric way within the next couple episodes. Screw this capturing him shit, kill him....gut him like a fish, and smash lucile into pieces on the ground in front of his face as he's dying. It's so sad seeing what this show is now compared to what it once was.
 

Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
Michonne has barely been in this season too
It's so much bullshit. Her absence is proof that their relationship was thrown together for the buzz. I said it from the beginning but that decision was rushed and forced. They could have done it had they worked toward that goal for some time, but it was clearly done to either boost ratings or shock, or both.

It's easy to forget they're even romantically involved now.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
I think Rick and Michonne was a fantastic idea.

But there are just too many damn characters and too many nonsense plot lines that go nowhere. Instead, we go 4 episodes without seeing Michonne. And Maggie shows up and it's like, "Oh shit, that's right. Maggie exists."
 

Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
Maggie is truly the only character I care about who feels pretty consistent and well developed, to be honest. But she's almost never on screen.

It was so refreshing to see her kill a savior. No more of this "but all live is precious" "is this the right thing to do-"

BOOM. Walk away, and immediately remorseful. She sold that scene.

Fantastic actor.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
We can only hope now, (but knowing Gimple and these complete dumb shit writers it wont happen this way) that this sends Rick over the edge and he goes nuts and kills Negan in a horrific and barbaric way within the next couple episodes. Screw this capturing him shit, kill him....gut him like a fish, and smash lucile into pieces on the ground in front of his face as he's dying. It's so sad seeing what this show is now compared to what it once was.

Well no, this would be horrible and done purely for shock value, as well as ruin upcoming story lines that fans want to see. (Of course, killing Carl already does that as well.)
 

bye

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
8,424
Phoenix, AZ
Oh so he got booted out faster than he expected?

Basically. He knew he had to probably leave the show eventually, but they kicked him off before he became an obligation.

It just makes no sense, especially if the scene from the first ep was real (a time skip), because they could have just recasted him. There's like 5 longtime characters that could have easily died instead too, especially Daryl who deserves it due to his stupid decisions and just becoming dead weight in general.
 
Oct 27, 2017
17,973
Maggie is truly the only character I care about who feels pretty consistent and well developed, to be honest. But she's almost never on screen.

It was so refreshing to see her kill a savior. No more of this "but all live is precious" "is this the right thing to do-"

BOOM. Walk away, and immediately remorseful. She sold that scene.

Fantastic actor.

Which reminds me, they've done nothing with Jesus this season so far. The "good angel" on Maggie's shoulder thing didn't play great in part because, as you've noted, Cohan is totally capable of handling the morality struggle on her own. And if they were going for a "Jesus the angel on one shoulder and Gregory the devil on the other", I think they need to give her character more credit than that.
 

Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
Basically. He knew he had to probably leave the show eventually, but they kicked him off before he became an obligation.

It just makes no sense, especially if the scene from the first ep was real (a time skip), because they could have just recasted him. There's like 5 longtime characters that could have easily died instead too, especially Daryl who deserves it due to his stupid decisions and just becoming dead weight in general.
Damn, this makes even less sense to me for why they didn't recast for the time skip.

Do they even think about these decisions? Jesus.

Which reminds me, they've done nothing with Jesus this season so far. The "good angel" on Maggie's shoulder thing didn't play great in part because, as you've noted, Cohan is totally capable of handling the morality struggle on her own. And if they were going for a "Jesus the angel on one shoulder and Gregory the devil on the other", I think they need to give her character more credit than that.

He's easily my least favorite of the new mains. Totally one dimensional and poorly acted. And he was completely useless in getting in Maggie's way, which I really enjoyed.