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-Pyromaniac-

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I am really torn on this episode (also, hi everybody, first time posting in TWD OT between the old place and Era). I've never read the comics but I know some bits and pieces of info thanks to my girlfriend being far more invested in the comics and TV show than me, albeit I've been following this show day one and mostly enjoyed it. The past few seasons have been hit and miss, last season should have been godlike but besides a few good episodes they kinda butchered it. It was written on the wall that they'd drag the actual war into next season, what I didn't expect is that they'd still waste so much time - granted, I have no idea how long the war in the comic is, so maybe there's far from enough material for 16 episodes to begin with.

This episode was... odd. A lot of character choices and cuts made little sense, feels like they had a hard time explaining things. I don't follow the series much besides watching it on TV so I had no idea there "had to be" a shocking moment or a death, was likewise totally unaware of the rumors about Carl, so it truly shocked me, and I think it was a pretty well made moment. It might be "weak" from a character standpoint that he got bit by a random zombie in a pointless scene, but at least it gives us a healthy reminder that zombies are, in fact, dangerous: for the past few seasons it seemed like anyone could outrun or kill hordes of zombies barehanded or with lame weapons. We kinda took for granted that zombies aren't the main danger anymore but it's the people - well, there it is, zombies can kill.

Rick got kinda weak and dumb lately, so having him get a wake-up call is not a bad call per se, especially considering his relationship with Michonne always seemed kinda thrown in there. What bums me is how they killed all the character development for Carl, and while it's a shocking thing (even more so as this will likely mean a giant departure from the comic) and to me it was done in an effective way, the implications could go either way. They have to follow up with a really strong vengeance story of Rick going fucking Rambo on Negan, make him the strong ballsy leader again who's capable of rough decisions and sacrifices - this is the only way I can see this death playing out well.

And I sure hope they don't cop out on the bite. Had he just been bitten I could understand finding a way, but the dude's been bitten for a day, he's getting a fever and can barely walk. He truly is The Walking Dead™. Glenn's fake death was obvious, this would be too much, akin to what Dallas pulled off back in the day; "oh you know this ENTIRE FUCKING SEASON? it was actually a dream". Both people who were there when the bite happened are aware it came from a zombie, so they can't do shit like "it was actually a human bite lulz". No doctor or superblood should cure this thing this late. They pulled this shit, they have to commit to it, copping out would do more harm than good. I am legit curious to see where the show will go after such a dramatic moment. As far as I care they could even ignore the comic completely, what I'm interested in is solid storylines and good character development, and lately that was not consistent.

Especially that trash people crap. Why are they dancing around these people, they add absolutely nothing to the storyline and their background, so far, is as good as non-existent. They better have something big planned for them, because I currently roll my eyes every time I see them. I see someone hinted at some spoilers from later in the show which I don't want to know of course, but at least something will happen I suppose.
on talking dead Scott Gimple said the bite gon kill Carl as expected so no cop out coming, they're just saving it for the premier because there's more to the story that will impact a lot of the characters. I'm guessing Carl got some parting words for everyone.
 

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Who would have guessed that killing off Carl would make people this upset? A week ago he was considered dead weight at best, and an absolute punchline at worst. Were people this infuriated by Andrea's early demise?
 

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on talking dead Scott Gimple said the bite gon kill Carl as expected so no cop out coming, they're just saving it for the premier because there's more to the story that will impact a lot of the characters. I'm guessing Carl got some parting words for everyone.

I mean, we've seen worse copouts with actors claiming they've quit then they didn't, or with them actually quitting but the giant backlash made them reconsider. What I mean is... fine, they killed Carl. Bold move, could work or be a total failure. They'd better roll with it now, however, and have this pretty shocking event (especially in regards to the comic) have massive consequences on the storyline. Rick killed his best friend, became an emotional wreck as his wife died, brutally murdered when he needed to. But then he became like he was before basically, so that character development was kinda forgotten. Now, his son's death has the chance to truly change him: make him go berserk for real, become something like Negan, get completely wrecked and not being able to lead anymore, whatever. What I hope is that they stick with this odd idea and use it deliver something powerful. If it'll be just Rick becoming reckless for one move then the team fails again and then back to normal, fuck that.
 
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His acting is fine. He plays the character very well.

His stuff with Negan was one of the best things to look forward to on the show and now it's gone.

This is the key right here. They kind of already did a bit of Carl-Negan in the show, and what was in this episode was pretty good - but people were thinking Carl-Negan would be one of the drivers of the series after All Out War. But without this, Morgan and his "jail", and trying to have us believe the TV show's Maggie and Rick would keep Negan alive after Glenn and Carl, it's hard to see where they are going to go.

Unless they're going to unwind this series and move their TV Walking Dead camp over to Fear, bit by bit.
 

king_kerry

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I mean, we've seen worse copouts with actors claiming they've quit then they didn't, or with them actually quitting but the giant backlash made them reconsider. What I mean is... fine, they killed Carl. Bold move, could work or be a total failure. They'd better roll with it now, however, and have this pretty shocking event (especially in regards to the comic) have massive consequences on the storyline. Rick killed his best friend, became an emotional wreck as his wife died, brutally murdered when he needed to. But then he became like he was before basically, so that character development was kinda forgotten. Now, his son's death has the chance to truly change him: make him go berserk for real, become something like Negan, get completely wrecked and not being able to lead anymore, whatever. What I hope is that they stick with this odd idea and use it deliver something powerful. If it'll be just Rick becoming reckless for one move then the team fails again and then back to normal, fuck that.

I think that's why we have to wait to see how Carl's story wraps up during the mid-season premiere. Carl will try to invoke his dying wish to give Rick humility and compassion to others and not have Rick spiral down this crazy recklessness again that we've seen every time disaster strikes Rick.
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I think that's why we have to wait to see how Carl's story wraps up during the mid-season premiere. Carl will try to invoke his dying wish to give Rick humility and compassion to others and not have Rick spiral down this crazy recklessness again that we've seen every time disaster strikes Rick.
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After this I'm not sure they're going to do the jail route, but who knows, nobody really saw the Carl death scene coming either so there's that. I, for one, wouldn't mind if Negan became a bit of a guest that would appear once in a while in a prison cell. You know, instead of "let's try to get help from garbage people, failed attempt #43" episodes I'd gladly take a side story in which Rick and Negan talk years after the showdown.
 

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I think that's why we have to wait to see how Carl's story wraps up during the mid-season premiere. Carl will try to invoke his dying wish to give Rick humility and compassion to others and not have Rick spiral down this crazy recklessness again that we've seen every time disaster strikes Rick.
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That'll be completely unearned. Carl, who last season was full on vengeance mode, whose whole thing was that he was becoming hardened and ruthless by what has happened, that just glared ruthlessly at Negan during the S7 premiere, suddenly become all about hope and forgiveness between seasons? Having him die for Rick's "development" is so cheap
 

king_kerry

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That'll be completely unearned. Carl, who last season was full on vengeance mode, whose whole thing was that he was becoming hardened and ruthless by what has happened, that just glared ruthlessly at Negan during the S7 premiere, suddenly become all about hope and forgiveness between seasons? Having him die for Rick's "development" is so cheap
Agreed. The writing has been all over the place these past few seasons and all these characters flip-flop every 5 episodes.
 

More_Badass

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Agreed. The writing has been all over the place these past few seasons and all these characters flip-flop every 5 episodes.
Same thing with Rick suddenly being about second chances and making deals. Even when, you know, he declared war and rallied the groups to fight back, but now is like "I'm gonna count to ten, Negan" or trying to make a deal with the Garbage people who betrayed and tried to kill them once already
 

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We can pick plot holes and stupid character actions in about 95% of TV shows but for some reason TWD does seem to produce more vitriol and anger with comments and opinions out of any show I can think of.

I think you just have to either go with it or stop watching, I can't imagine tuning in every week knowing that I'm going to get angry with how the episode plays out lol.
 

More_Badass

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Like whatever happened to this Rick



Remember when the show killed a seemingly season-long villain in like episode 3 because the group and Rick were hardened survivors now and didn't take chances? When Rick would say "I'm going to kill you" and actually follow through, instead of making toothless threats and ultimatums.

Twice this season, Rick had Negan in his sights - the premiere where a completely defenseless Negan swaggers out in front of like thirty machine guns and snipers, and this episode, where Rick is standing over Negan with the bat, and just does a little tap to the chin - and Rick illogically doesn't do what he always would have done in that situation
 

jwk94

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Like whatever happened to this Rick



Remember when the show killed a seemingly season-long villain in like episode 3 because the group and Rick were hardened survivors now and didn't take chances? When Rick would say "I'm going to kill you" and actually follow through, instead of making toothless threats and ultimatums.

Twice this season, Rick had Negan in his sights - the premiere where a completely defenseless Negan swaggers out in front of like thirty machine guns and snipers, and this episode, where Rick is standing over Negan with the bat, and just does a little tap to the chin - and Rick illogically doesn't do what he always would have done in that situation

Negan is exactly what happened. Dude shook Rick to his boots. Being all gung-ho is what got Abraham, Glenn, the doctor, and Tara's girlfriend (and j guess Spencer) all killed.

This entire Negan arc is because Rick was going all psycho and feeling himself way too much. Remember when they killed those people while they were asleep? Negan was extra pissed about that.
 

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Agreed. The writing has been all over the place these past few seasons and all these characters flip-flop every 5 episodes.


Yeah, I don't even think that the writing has been getting worse per se, for me it's just getting repetitive because it's constantly reusing the same 2 themes. We're in a constant cycle of no fucks given>all life is precious> no fucks given>back to all life is precious. No wonder people are getting bored. Only novelty here is Dwight's redemption arc.

Looking forward to Rick's reaction to this, but that's mostly cos of Andy's fantastic acting.
 

Carfo

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Like whatever happened to this Rick



Remember when the show killed a seemingly season-long villain in like episode 3 because the group and Rick were hardened survivors now and didn't take chances? When Rick would say "I'm going to kill you" and actually follow through, instead of making toothless threats and ultimatums.

Twice this season, Rick had Negan in his sights - the premiere where a completely defenseless Negan swaggers out in front of like thirty machine guns and snipers, and this episode, where Rick is standing over Negan with the bat, and just does a little tap to the chin - and Rick illogically doesn't do what he always would have done in that situation


Yea really bad writing.
 

More_Badass

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Negan is exactly what happened. Dude shook Rick to his boots. Being all gung-ho is what got Abraham, Glenn, the doctor, and Tara's girlfriend (and j guess Spencer) all killed.

This entire Negan arc is because Rick was going all psycho and feeling himself way too much. Remember when they killed those people while they were asleep? Negan was extra pissed about that.
And we saw that. We saw him weak and feeling broken and not willing to act. Rick finally deciding to fight back, as a character moment, should have been the end of that. That he had grown as a leader.

You're going to declare war, rally the families and fighters of your allies - a fight that practically already wiped out an entire community now - and take prisoners, kill lookouts and get into bloody shootouts, but then at the same time, be all wishy-washy on second chances and making deals with the one group that 100% betrayed you? (While also threatening to kill them all if they refuse)
 

Bear

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I don't understand how Rick ended up with his freaking gun and didn't go back in to kill Negan
Seriously dude. He just runs off. What the fuck.

Negan is the best character in this series but they can't keep fucking dragging the confrontations along with him. It's really fucking annoying.

This show is going to be random people shooting at each other for another half season, isn't it?
 

Proteus

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That's different cuz Rick's whole thing for the last season and a half has been "I'm gunna kill you"

You think the mandate of this entire campaign would be "If you have Negan in your sights, kill him." I get why the showrunners don't want to do it from a plot perspective but setting up situations in which they have him dead to rights and don't kill him really hurts the credibility and immersion. At the start of the season it seemed like they were going out of their way to not kill Negan despite having the opportunity.

There is absolutely no attempt to kill the general here. It's maddening.
 

atamize

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The writing seemed especially bad for this episode; in terms of line delivery, it seemed like the actors really didn't want to say the words coming out of their mouths. Like the savior guy who was in charge of dismantling the Kingdom, wow was he terrible. Was he really the most intimidating guy they could find besides Negan/Simon?

Negan gave up really easily after he pushed Rick out the window. Rick was hurt, the place was surrounded by Saviors, he should have been easily run down. But of course; plot armor.

It really seems like the writers are just throwing shit out there without an actual plan of leading up to something.
 

Bear

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That's different cuz Rick's whole thing for the last season and a half has been "I'm gunna kill you"
Yeah, the rage from the slaughtering of Abraham and Glenn is gone, which makes no sense at all. I was really hoping crazy Rick would show up and make an honest attempt at taking down Negan, even if it meant sacrificing himself. All they've done is come up with dumb plots that don't work. Nobody seems to give a shit that this guy brutally murdered their friends in front of them while threatening their lives.

Show has gone to shit. I can barely watch it.
 

Surfinn

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The writing seemed especially bad for this episode; in terms of line delivery, it seemed like the actors really didn't want to say the words coming out of their mouths. Like the savior guy who was in charge of dismantling the Kingdom, wow was he terrible. Was he really the most intimidating guy they could find besides Negan/Simon?

Negan gave up really easily after he pushed Rick out the window. Rick was hurt, the place was surrounded by Saviors, he should have been easily run down. But of course; plot armor.

It really seems like the writers are just throwing shit out there without an actual plan of leading up to something.
Almost all of the casting for Negan's goons has been some of the worst I've ever seen on TV. That asshole giving the speech this episode, the dude with the 80's glasses, they even managed to bring back the dude from season one and cringed him through a scene.

Do they not realize that not every leader or goon of the saviors needs to be an evil asshole? Especially ones who are clearly miscast and horrible actors?
 

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http://variety.com/2017/tv/ratings/walking-dead-season-8-midseason-finale-ratings-1202637454/

AMC might have a legitimate issue here. Clearly, it's still one of the most watched shows around. But it can't keep doing this.

"The Walking Dead" Season 8 midseason finale on Sunday failed to give the AMC series a substantial lift in the Nielsen Live+Same Day ratings.

The episode averaged a 3.4 rating in adults 18-49 and 7.9 million viewers. That is up a few percentage points in both measures from last week's season low (3.3, 7.5 million) but it is also the show's lowest rated midseason finale since its second season back in 2011. That episode drew a 3.5 and 6.6 million viewers.

In addition, the first half of Season 8 averaged a 3.9 and 8.7 million viewers per episode. Season 7, by comparison, averaged a 5.7 in the key demo at its midway point, as well as 12.1 million viewers per episode.

This is the latest in a string of bad ratings news for the megahit AMC series. The Season 8 premiere was the show's lowest-rated since its third season, despite the fact that the Season 8 premiere was also the show's 100th episode.

If it continues to slide drastically, with no boosts for hyped up finale episodes, Gimple could be on the hot seat.
 

Proteus

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Yeah, it's been kind of his thing. What's interesting, though, is that he stops all the leaning when Carl says "Kill me."
I thought the lack of a lean in that particular moment had impact. JDM sold it well. He lost a bit of that swagger when he realised the kid was being serious with him. I thought it was the best performance we have seen out of JDM.

I guess I don't mind the lean overall. I actually like JDM as Negan but I haven't read the comic.
 

Surfinn

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That's literally all I see when JDM is on screen. The freakin' leaning

But his scene with Carl was one of the best things they've done with his character.
 

-Pyromaniac-

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I don't know I kinda like the flamboyancy he added to the role. Makes him more hatable. Better than macho imposing yell yell yell style.
 

Nemo

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Idk how much better Negan is protrayed in the comics, all I know is that the Governer was leagues better and had a much more dynamic persona.

Also, the impending doom drum beats of Governer > lame whistling of Negan.
 
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No amount of core character deaths can revive this show. A show about a mysterious zombie virus, survival, and attempting to find a solution has turned in to a yawnfest of shootouts, staredowns, and a storyline that has veered so far form the original that zombies are now just background fodder. The writing is just atrocious.
Exactly how I see it to. Major Yawnfest... I keep watching this show simply out of habit now and I invested so much time now that I can't cut it out of my life...
 

Surfinn

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I think they're forgetting that.. if you wanna kill off mains,

You sure as fuck better introduce new ones we care about.
 
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I'm so disillusioned by this show, and I don't give up on shows easily. The story structure of episodes is a mess, characters are inconsistent, and close up montages of characters staring blankly into space to end episodes does not do it for me.

The war with the Savisors should have been the kick up the backside WD needed but instead it has meandered aimlessly for too long. I'm not even remotely hyped for the second half of the season.
 

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Regarding Negan, I think JDM has the look based on his comic counterpart. He doesn't have to be serious but something about him doesn't scream intimidating. The Governor seemed unhinged and maybe he was, where as Negan is just suppose to be pretty regular but gets dirty when he needs to be. Now Simon is a character that is funny but at the same time, kinda scary.
 

Lorcain

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I was surprised to see Carl had been bitten. I thought I remember reading posts from comic readers that he had a bigger role to play in the future? While I wasn't impressed with his development as an actor throughout the series, I did like his scenes with Negan.

The story strands seemed to really unwind in the last few episodes, to the point where it felt like I had missed episodes. Rick's alliance went from a position of tactical and strategic strength, to completely losing almost everything. It was weird the way it played out. Seeing Negan and Simon back from the brink of doom immediately reprising their asshole-in-power roles felt a little tiring. I was looking forward to moving on from the Saviors to a new story arc. And lol at the short lived alliance with the garbage people. I cracked up when they all ran away at the first sounds of gunshots.

At this point I think the writers and actors on FTWD create more of a sense of desperation and urgency with better developed characters than TWD. There are too many characters in TWD that have plot armor now, good guys and bad guys.
 

Rangerx

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Just got caught up. The decline this show has suffered has been steep. This whole season whole season was a pile of shit and the mid season finale especially was poorly directed and edited. I swear the writers of this show have been lobotomised. They don't write characters anymore, just use them as plot devices which gives them an excuse to put them in the stupidest situations imaginable. They really couldn't have come up with something better than a couple of walkers falling on Carl for him to get bit? Also what was the story with Aaron Enid's plot, what was the point of that? Why didn't Rick bash Negan's head in when he had the bat? Why do these characters do half the stupid shit they do?
 

SinkFla

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Just got caught up. The decline this show has suffered has been steep. This whole season whole season was a pile of shit and the mid season finale especially was poorly directed and edited. I swear the writers of this show have been lobotomised. They don't write characters anymore, just use them as plot devices which gives them an excuse to put them in the stupidest situations imaginable. They really couldn't have come up with something better than a couple of walkers falling on Carl for him to get bit? Also what was the story with Aaron Enid's plot, what was the point of that? Why didn't Rick bash Negan's head in when he had the bat? Why do these characters do half the stupid shit they do?

You said it yourself. These are not characters anymore, they are plot devices :(. It really is the truth.

I actually don't mind JDM, leaning Negan and all. I find him far more entertaining to watch than some of the other shit they populate our screens with.
 
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I thought it'd be interesting to take a look at just how faithful the show has been to the comic thus far with regards to the All Out War arc: (if you've seen the show then there shouldn't really be anything you don't already know, but I decided to spoiler tag it anyway)

Rick, Paul and Ezekiel call one final meeting to make sure all the details have been worked out. Both Paul and Ezekiel say their respective units are ready and the meeting adjourns. Rick assembles eveyone and requests that some of them come with him to the Savior's main base while the rest prepare to defend Alexandria when the Saviors come. Carl asks Andrea if she's going. She replies not right away and she'll be here to help defend the walls. Carl gets worried that she's going to take his spot, but, Andrea says that "it's his show."

After arriving at The Sanctuary, Rick fires two shots and demands for Negan to come out. Rick says that they will no longer give supplies to the Saviors and offers a truce between the Saviors and the three communities. Negan refuses and reveals that he has Gregory with him. Negan makes Gregory say that the Hilltop is not standing with the survivors, but, with The Saviors.

Gregory has told Rick's forces that the Hilltop stays with The Saviors. Eight men from Rick's group leave and apologize to Paul, but, Paul himself stays with Rick. Negan becomes furious that only eight men leave after being told by Gregory that the Hilltop Colony made up the majority of Rick's militia. Negan curses at Gregory for giving him false information, calling him "pathetic" before kicking him off the roof they are standing on.

Rick requests a surrender once again, but Negan refuses and flees back into the Sanctuary.

More of Negan's men have arrived from inside the base and await Negan's orders. As Negan begins telling them what to do, he realizes that all of his snipers are in cover, and that Rick's militia is just shooting the windows.

Holly volunteers to ram through the fence, but Rick declines. He explains that, to Negan, this is all a game, and he won't kill him. He adds that he knows she is strong, but he won't let her do it.

The group starts celebrating about their victory. Michonne notices that Rick isn't around, but Paul tells her that Rick had planned to stay behind. They are interrupted by none other than Rick, who tells them that the war is only just beginning.

The main difference here is that on the show Rick thinks this tactic is going to end the war, while in the comic it's understood that Negan will find a way out of the Sanctuary and hit back at them. Even though in the comic it would have made way more sense for Rick to position some of his people outside the Sanctuary, shooting anyone who managed to escape instead of deliberately allowing Negan to find a way to break out).

Rick gives a speech to his militia and tells them that he plans to attack The Savior outposts as they are now cut off from Negan and the rest of The Saviors. He goes on to say that he and Ezekiel will be leading two separate groups to attack different outposts and that Michonne will be leading a small third group back to Alexandria as Negan will strike there first.

Rick and his army start to fulfill their plan to attack Savior outposts. While in the midst of a battle over one of The Savior outposts (in which Eric is one of the casualities), Paul disarms a Savior and holds him hostage while Rick and the others finish killing The Saviors. Meanwhile, a retreating Ezekiel gets separated from his group after everything does not go according to the plan (they are ambushed and many are killed), and is soon grabbed by zombies as he tries to escape, and Shiva ends up saving him, sacrificing herself.

Rick's group arrive back in Alexandria, where Carl points how Rick is late; the latter then replies this is war and he won't be able to follow schedules every time he leaves. Suddenly an explosion occurs inside the walls; they all go outside to see Negan and a large group of Saviors outside. Negan threatens Rick by holding a handful of grenades. [something similar to the Sasha coffin scene from the show plays out] Negan then screams: "ATTACK!"

As Negan begins to throw more grenades, he yells at Rick that the war could've been avoided by following his rules.

[explosions and stuff]

Negan later gloats about how successful his bombing of Alexandria is and is stunned when Maggie, now the de facto leader of the Hilltop Colony, arrives with most of the community's survivors, repelling the remaining Saviors away.

(so basically what happened at the end of season 7 when Maggie (+Ezekiel and Jesus) rescued everyone after the trash people betrayed Rick. In the comic, in what would correspond to the events at the end of season 7 where Rick finally stands up to Negan, Ezekiel and Jesus save Alexandria without Maggie. The comic did the "__ swoops in to save Alexandria from Negan!" twice while the show did it just the once, but combined.)

Whilst the Saviors escape, one of their trucks breaks down and one of them reveals that the gas tank has a leak from where it had been damaged, and then suggests piling into another truck so that they can retreat. Negan then shuts the Savior down and asks him whether or not he is aware of a nearby fire station or of the approaching sirens of a fire truck, pointing out that the burning smoke in the distance from Alexandria indicates that they have won the battle.

That's basically all that happens in the first volume of the All Out War arc in the comic, which was the first two volume arc in the series - the longest single arc ever done to date. The first half of the AoW arc has more of less equaled the first half of season 8, give or take some stuff that was already incorporated into season 7 and some new stuff the show invented to make up for it.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the writers giving a full season to what was the longest arc ever in the comics, in theory, but they definitely haven't gone about it in a way that makes total sense.
 

SiK SiNr1

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The Walking Dead needs to take the show on the road. Stop fighting over land with Negan and head West. When the group was going from Georgia to Virginia things were pretty good but once they settled the show turned stale. I hate that Rick's group always get knocked down to the bottom every time they start to gain steam. I am tired of them passing on opportunities to kill Negan and I hate that they force feed you new characters that nobody cares about. Get the group together, grab all the cars and supplies they have and LEAVE!
 

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I miss the old days of this show when things actually felt somewhat realistic. The survivors scavenging for supplies, conserving ammo, syphoning gas, mostly behaving like real humans would (with the exception of Andrea).

Now the zombies are an afterthought, they're living in gated communities and everyone is equipped with a machine gun with unlimited ammo and pretty much the only thing that happens are these massive shootouts where nobody actually gets hit. It's boring. And there's so many characters that none of the actors are getting enough screen time or well-defined arcs, they always seem written to behave randomly and do dumb shit.

The fight scene in this episode was the worst. They're all alone, Rick is standing over Negan with a barbed wire bat and has the opportunity to bash his head in. But what does he do? Turns it around and hits him with the handle end. WTF? And then Rick picks up his gun and runs away. The guy with a revolver running away from the guy with a baseball bat in a 1 vs 1 fight. Fucking hell. It's hard to even get hyped about "Angry Rick" or whatever because you just know nothing is gonna happen until the finale at the earliest. And even then it'll probably be some bullshit cliffhanger rather than a satisfying conclusion.