Luckily I don't do business with most of those companies. Shame about Verizon though. Fuck
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Chick-fil-A Foundation says anti-LGBTQ giving is part of its ‘higher calling’ in Business Insider interview
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Whenever these kinds of threads pop up, I always end up wondering if other corporations do the same exact same thing just without being so bold or open about it, and my conclusion is that they probably do. I'm also of the opinion that people will do what they want with their money on both a personal and corporate level with very little regard towards ethics or morality, so I'm more interested in finding out which "charity" organizations are discriminatory.
Everyone compartmentalizes, allows some amount of easily avoidable poison into their lives, and there is no single unifying force that has everyone with a progressive bent organizing their lives in such a way as to make exactly the same sacrifices.
Chick-fil-A used to be one of my favorite fast food places, I stopped going to it with any regularity upon learning about their darker practices (...let's be honest: I also fell out of love with their chicken), and these days I'll only go whenever people around me are set on it. I haven't settled on a fully realized boycott, I don't organize protests against them, or whatever else; they'd certainly have more of my money if their politics weren't so regressive, though, which I rationalize as a tiny victory.
What I want is for people to have critical postures, to make affected choices overall. I do get putting blinders on for this or that vice, though. The instinct to inflict maximum shame on those who, say, choose to grab Chick-fil-A once in awhile seems to reflect less the consequences of their choices (if only the binary buy/don't buy decision capitalism gives us came with so much power) and more the way in which the difficulty of viewing any given person's choices holistically creates a distorted imperative to put a magnifying glass over every individual one.
Anyway, having obliged my desire to take an expansive view of the problematic fast food habits of people I love, I'll say this: Chick-fil-A sucks, and good on everyone in this thread who decided to be responsive to that fact.
My problem is some of these are places that my friends and family do business with.
My Mom, for example, thinks anything Dole is the try and true best fruit brand in any grocery store. (Unless organic)
But also:
Berkshire Hathaway (Parent company of Geico, Dairy Queen, Fruit of the Loom)
I can't be the person to tell friends they can't have Dairy Queen, which is almost religion of its own depending on the person. However, I am someone who will tell someone they're underwear is shit because it's true and point them in a better direction.
But yeesh, navigating the things you buy.
Exxon Mobil
Is worse then Chick-Fil-A on the list with a -25 (Chick having a 0). How the fuck do you manage that?
It makes me want to wear a Dying Fetus shirt and walk in just to see what they would say...
It takes something a lot worse than "gives money to bigoted orgs" to get people to give up a product they enjoy. Now, if the organization was embroiled in a child abuse scandal and CFA kept supporting them, this might make people pay attention but by and large two-ish degrees of separation is enough for the average consumer to not feel personal guilt.
Which is why depending on market forces to create good outcomes for society is bunk, people are natural experts at justifying their habits regardless if they're good or bad. It's true for climate change, it's true for CFA.
Which is why depending on market forces to create good outcomes for society is bunk, people are natural experts at justifying their habits regardless if they're good or bad. It's true for climate change, it's true for CFA.
So true. Libertarians believe and shout out theory that's never been done correctly in any real life setting. Those people really are for the destruction of society in the name of profits...which would quickly not even matter if said system collapses on itself
Don't underestimate how many people they are that are willing to throw away their values over a chicken sandwich.
Apparently not. Just think about how morally sound veganism is and how most of us reject it anyway because we like how meat tastes.
I genuinely would like to know who they would kick out first:
A person wearing a rainbow pride t-shirt of a person wearing an aborted fetus tshirt.
Chick fil a's business has exploded all over the country the last 9 years once the controversy came To light
Looking at the HRC equality index, seems like most of the country justifies supporting businesses that they shouldn't.
The one across the street from work is always busy as fuck, so I never go. Quite frankly, I don't have the time and can't be assed to wait in line 20-30 minutes (not joking) for a damn chicken sandwich. Plus, I'm trying to lose weight anyway. I don't need that shit. If I HAVE to get a chicken fix, I hit up Popeyes on the way home, and that's only if traffic isn't stupid.
Anyway, shame on them. Really shitty stance to take. Still, and I know some on ERA hate it, but unfortunately, there isn't moral based consumption in capitalism. Or rather, it's not really practiced. I know that can be seen as a meme or low effort, drive by type comment, but sadly it's true.
If you're gonna uphold a moral stance when it comes to what you buy, then there should be some level of consistency. You'll boycott Chic-fil-A because their views offend you or may even directly effect your way of life. That's fine and you're entitled to do that. But are you doing the same when it comes to other products and services you buy, especially those that don't necessarily target you personally? Your phone, your car, your clothes, your shoes, your cosmetics, your morning coffee, ect.
I'm not suggesting to take an absolute/ all or nothing approach to life. I'm not suggesting that if you can't do it all, don't do anything. If that were the case, then you'd pretty much have to be a vegan, living in the middle of nowhere. Still, most of what we consume is rooted in some kind of questionable or immoral practices. I don't fault or mock anyone who boycotts a company that outright supports hate groups are enables discrimination though.
I guess I'm just saying, consumers should be more aware of all things they directly or indirectly support. We all need to live, eat, go to work and pay bills. But surely and ultimately, we can do that, in a way that is more beneficial for all us. There needs to be accountability and transparency from everyone.
Anyway, shame on them. Really shitty stance to take. Still, and I know some on ERA hate it, but unfortunately, there isn't moral based consumption in capitalism. Or rather, it's not really practiced. I know that can be seen as a meme or low effort, drive by type comment, but sadly it's true.
If you're gonna uphold a moral stance when it comes to what you buy, then there should be some level of consistency. You'll boycott Chic-fil-A because their views offend you or may even directly effect your way of life. That's fine and you're entitled to do that. But are you doing the same when it comes to other products and services you buy, especially those that don't necessarily target you personally? Your phone, your car, your clothes, your shoes, your cosmetics, your morning coffee, ect.
I'm not suggesting to take an absolute/ all or nothing approach to life. I'm not suggesting that if you can't do it all, don't do anything. If that were the case, then you'd pretty much have to be a vegan, living in the middle of nowhere. Still, most of what we consume is rooted in some kind of questionable or immoral practices. I don't fault or mock anyone who boycotts a company that outright supports hate groups are enables discrimination though.
I guess I'm just saying, consumers should be more aware of all things they directly or indirectly support. We all need to live, eat, go to work and pay bills. But surely and ultimately, we can do that, in a way that is more beneficial for all us. There needs to be accountability and transparency from everyone.
Yep my town is getting one in a new shopping center hopefully by the end of the year. Heard good things and looking forward to trying them.
Really easy to avoid CFA for me as there's actually none nearby.
Whelp, I haven't been since this came up recently, and I guess I won't be going back. Sucks. Food was good.
Yet this disgusting, bigoted food corporation gets a pass around here because the chicken tastes good. Fuck them, they'll never get one cent from me.
I don't patronize CFA anymore, but I've visited a few locations wearing pride gear before, and I've shown up with my wife. We never got any shit. And I even knew a couple of gay kids who worked at a CFA for a while. So I don't know how much that part of the corporate culture mandates employee behavior. It might depend on where you live.
I don't think they care who shops at their store as long as they get their money. I've gone in the past with satanic symbols on my clothes.
This is exactly right, and something that ERA posters (mostly progressives) seem to have trouble understanding
There is a huge difference between FCA, which does not go out and literally murder gay people, versus someone that actually is a child rapist like you said or a serial killer, etc
Now some of you here might reply and say they're the same (which I think would be absolutely ridiculous). But clearly the vast majority of people in the world would not equate the two
I'm an atheist, but I don't care about the former, so I still eat CFA (expensive as hell though). If there was hypothetically a company that had the latter, then that's the only extreme case I would boycott anything over. The two situations are not on the same level
Actually it's not, because CFA's business and finances do very very well
Your profile says you're from Thailand? So maybe you don't know the mentality of overall America. Which is not the same as the limited demographic type of ERA posters
Obviously the aborted fetus shirt
CFA employees do not care about rainbow pride shirts, there's no problem wearing those at all
yea I've worn Slayer shirts a couple times and none of the employees cared
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I used to kind of defend them because each location is franchised, but if they're doubling down like this at corporate I am going to stop eating there.
I feel like they successfully spun some PR years ago that they were not doing this anymore. Convinced me enough to go a few times (about 6 years ago), but I see it's bullshit. Also the food isn't that good, you could justify the calories on something better.
Cutting back on fast food and not supporting a messed up bigoted org sounds like a triumph to me.
Cutting back on fast food and not supporting a messed up bigoted org sounds like a triumph to me.
"higher calling than a culture war" = we don't need to be humane to humans who don't follow our beliefs because GOD
Fuck off.
And no, to anyone reading thinking this is ironic or hypocritical, look up 'the paradox of tolerance'.
Starting from a default position of "you are different therefore you need to be purged" is not tolerable, and it's not just "different opinion".
This is active hate and harm. We cannot tolerate this.
Fuck off.
And no, to anyone reading thinking this is ironic or hypocritical, look up 'the paradox of tolerance'.
Starting from a default position of "you are different therefore you need to be purged" is not tolerable, and it's not just "different opinion".
This is active hate and harm. We cannot tolerate this.
Completely agree. It's hard to rally resistance when so many people like their sandwiches though.
There were never any around my area growing up, and after learning a few years ago about their donation practices, no way I would ever give them my money.
The one a few cities over I pass by on the way to work is always packed with cars. While they don't go get stuff from there often due to the distance, a lot of the people at my work go to it, even though they're all D-leaning ironically enough. Guessing since they aren't affected it's not an issue for them.
The one a few cities over I pass by on the way to work is always packed with cars. While they don't go get stuff from there often due to the distance, a lot of the people at my work go to it, even though they're all D-leaning ironically enough. Guessing since they aren't affected it's not an issue for them.
The slightest inconvenience is too much to bear. Really tells you all you need to know about how the world got the way it is.
Everyone's an ally right up until the moment they have to do anything.
Well yea. you can tell when people start the thread saying fuck the poeple who go there. No one wants to have a conversation or try to sway you over. They want to beat you into having their opinion. Era is a small bubble where everyone has the same opinion because no one is gonna go against it when all that'll happen is you getting trashed on here. One day they'll learn that telling people they're shit isn't the way to actually convince people that their opinion is correct.
Y'all are just preaching to the choir in this thread. People come into these types of threads for validation and commendation of their efforts. I try dont think anyone is being won over, because the people who dont really care aren't posting an opinion that would get people to turn on them
Fuck their homophobic ass. The moment I heard that they were anti-LGBT was the moment I never ate Chick-fil-A again.
I read things like this and how CFA still posts high earnings, and it makes me think of all the Free Market Bros assuring us during the Colorado Cake case that, even if discrimination against LGBTQ people is legal, people will vote with their wallets and shame these companies out of existence. Yeeeeeaaaahhhh riiiiiiiiggghhhhhttttt
What sucks in my neck of the woods is that, as far as customer service (the teens and managers that work at CFA), there is no one even close: nice, fast, and proficient. They never screw up an order and always at least pretend to give a shit. They even go above and beyond, but I'll get to that in a minute. Every other fast food place around here has grumpy, miserable workers that are constantly fucking orders up. McDs, Wendy's, BK, Hardee's, KFC, you name it.
My daughter, who has pretty severe special needs, loves CFA's milkshakes, so at the end of the week I'll take her to get one as a treat and these kids that work there go out of their way to make that one tiny moment of her day exciting.
I apologize for going off on anecdote here, but it would be much easier for ME to boycott them if their service was shitty and this special little child, whose life is challenging and painful every single day of her life, didn't receive this kind of joy from this specific location.
So, according to some posters here, fuck me I guess.
My daughter, who has pretty severe special needs, loves CFA's milkshakes, so at the end of the week I'll take her to get one as a treat and these kids that work there go out of their way to make that one tiny moment of her day exciting.
I apologize for going off on anecdote here, but it would be much easier for ME to boycott them if their service was shitty and this special little child, whose life is challenging and painful every single day of her life, didn't receive this kind of joy from this specific location.
So, according to some posters here, fuck me I guess.
Brine your chicken in pickle juice, quarter cup of kosher salt, and 2 cups water and you can have your chik fila without supporting these guys. Make it all the time, everyone loves it.
Same here. Once I saw they put carrot and cabbage in with their lettuce I was out. So yeah never going to try this place even more now.
Anytime a few people agree, we get this dumb ass take. If all some of you have to constantly contribute is era is a bubble, then you're a knucklehead. Disagree with people here all the time, but I'm not a jackass about it, so I have little issue. It's a progressive site, so you'll see more progresssive opinions in general, simple as that.
If someone is discriminating against a group of people, then yeah, many will have a problem with that. Honestly, it shouldn't take much convincing that chik fila is wrong to support these causes. It's just rich to see you coming in with this bubble shit when chik filas reason for supporting these groups is based on their connection biggest racket and hive mind around (Christianity) that is actively forcing their backwards beliefs on us daily basis through government, but the real problem are the posters on a random forum though, eh?
It's good stuff. Tastes just as good imo. Use this recipe, though mine used two cups of water and about a jar of pickle juice(pickles removed ofc).
https://snapguide.com/guides/make-chick-fil-a-chicken-nuggets-at-home/
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You're supporting a business that openly and actively harms the LGBT community. If you're ok with that then fine, but you should understand and accept the criticism and using your daughter as some sort of moral shield is not a good look if you're trying to "shut down the haters". Is it the worst thing you could do? No. Does it make you a bad person? Probably not. Is it still ethically acceptable? Not really. We all do things that are unethical including supporting businesses that do evil things with the money we give them. But like I said, understand the criticism at least.
It's obviously not the same since part of the point of chic-fil-a is the convenience of getting fast food, but there are tons of recipes online that tell you how to recreate all their food for anybody who (like myself) enjoys the food but doesn't want to support the business.