So what exactly is the plan for Dems here? Just run out the clock and say "well we tried" to an increasingly infuriated base?
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US PoliERA 2019 |OT4| Folded like a DOG
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This has nothing to do with Republicans in Congress or their base.
This has everything to do with an increasingly disillusioned base.
Flipped to Nicolle Wallace a few minutes ago and it's basically complete doom and gloom. Trump has effectively killed the Mueller report, Dems (especially the higher-ups like Pelosi) have been battered and beaten, and time is quickly running out to begin impeachment proceedings.
Hard to disagree, really. With the complete and total stonewalling by Barr/Trump and the Dem's only fighting back with tough talk and slaps on the wrists, what else can they even do now?
Hard to disagree, really. With the complete and total stonewalling by Barr/Trump and the Dem's only fighting back with tough talk and slaps on the wrists, what else can they even do now?
Maybe they want to trust Americans to do the right thing like Obama did in 2016?
I mean, we're 4 months in and Dems have accomplished ... a Michael Cohen hearing and some bills that will never make it through the Senate.
Am I missing anything?
Am I missing anything?
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I think he just means in committee. If you try banning fried chicken outright I'll fight you.
I think at this point we should just assume no impeachment hearings will happen. We are 18 months from the election and a year or so from a nominee being declared. No way do Dem leadership plan on unleashing impeachment proceedings with all of that happening.
Yes in that a judge has ruled against Trump but this is going to SCOTUS regardless
Andrew Janz made a smart decision running for mayor since Brand barely won his first term 51.3-48.7
I dont get it...so the judge ruled they should have access to it regardless of appeal but wont they just goto a judge who will grant the stay?
So in other words, Trump gets away with committing loads of obvious crimes. Imagine if Dems pin all their hopes on 2020 and lose.
How do impeachment hearings stop him from getting away with his crimes? Because the Senate still exists as his backdrop.
So are you saying another judge will say that the next judge will say he or she doesnt have standing to overrule?
The situation we are in is that we need to win 2020 no matter what. We need the Presidency and the Senate.
Though horrifying, this is pretty easy to imagine.
This is pretty difficult to imagine for me at the moment. Need those primaries to start to kindle a little hope.
'Michael Cohen, President Trump's former longtime personal attorney, told a House panel during closed-door hearings earlier this year that he had been instructed by Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow to falsely claim in a 2017 statement to Congress that negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow ended in January 2016, according to people familiar with his testimony.'
Just released by WaPo
Just released by WaPo
The growing realization that most white "liberals" would be happy to die younger and poorer, leaving their children no opportunity on a dead planet, in order to never have to hear the phrase Black Lives Matter or think about genderless pronouns again is eventually going to make me drink myself to death.
He'll never be removed, that much is known. But we put them in power in 2018 to hold Trump accountable. They can't at least show they aren't spineless fucks who are terrified of political blowback?
It just sends a terrible message. The president is literally above the law.
LOL Biden leads Trump by 11 nationally and in PA.
Team Trump wants to keep the best possible GOP challenger from running for Senate in MI because they fear it'll stimulate more Democratic spending and turnout.
Yes, he might win, but to be completely doom and gloom ignores the data and insider information we have.
No, people put them in power to keep the ACA from being repealed. They've done a marvelous job!
Right, gotcha. Was gonna say, I thought this was a pro-fried chicken party!
That he was instructed by Trump, rather than his lawyer. It's a distinction without a difference. Mobsters rarely speak their orders/ threats directly
Wow, Buzzfeed may actually have been onto something.
DoJ has made that crystal clear. Impeachment wouldn't change that.
It was mainly health care (and holding Trump accountable sprinkled in) that won the House. Them spending 2017 trying to get rid of the ACA hurt them.
Trump has a non zero chance at winning, yes. At the same time, this is not 2016.
Finally!
I was wondering Cohen said that day in that closed session. I remember, on MSNBC, Lanny Davis saying the info was a "game-changer" and Swalwell saying the committee was "on the edge of their seats".
I was wondering Cohen said that day in that closed session. I remember, on MSNBC, Lanny Davis saying the info was a "game-changer" and Swalwell saying the committee was "on the edge of their seats".
Pretty much where I am.
If only I had a weak moral compass and a propensity to serve myself over others....
All true. The Midwest and the rust belt did not snap back Blue to hold Trump accountable. They did it because Republicans have been too obviously fucking them for 2 years.
That's the important one. Unless they get an emergency injunction on appeal, the Dems will walk off with the records while it goes through the courts
I have a hard time believing that people fully understand the question, given the many Dem-leaners who still hesitate to identify as liberal for identity reasons.
Its unfortunate how true this statement is. I didnt fully appreciate it up until the last two years and I am a more liberal white male. MLK was right on the money about the white moderate and Lyndon Johnson was right on the money about giving the white poor and middle class someone to blame.
Isn't the likelihood that they will find some judge to give them just that?
Not that hard to imagine for anyone around in 2004
(I recognize that this was nearly 15 years ago so many on this forum may actually not have been)
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