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Would you buy an external usb like device that would allow UMD, cartridges, etc among other things?

  • YES I want the whole experience for my PS5.

    Votes: 39 30.5%
  • NO, idc if it makes the console ugly, just toss UMDs, etc... in the console itself.

    Votes: 5 3.9%
  • I am satisfied with it just playing (PS1,PS2,PS3,PS4).

    Votes: 66 51.6%
  • I have no interest in BC.

    Votes: 18 14.1%

  • Total voters
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It would be cool if they could make it compatible with all old disc based games for PS1-PS4. That said, I don't think they need to worry about UMD's etc. Just have a good "virtual console" and it'll be fine. Also, this won't be the last physical console generation imo.
 

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PS5 will not be the last gen to support physical media. Streaming and digital only may be an option but you will see physical media drive. With games getting larger and with ISPs squeezing consumers for ever byte of data they can get away with will pretty much guarantee it. The console buying world as a whole isnt even close to that point yet.
 
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But none of these things are close to happening. People continue to exaggerate how many people use "services", especially exclusively. Again, alot of people don't have XBL/PSN/XBO. You seem to imply that the use of streaming services and other content will supercede local gaming and physical media...this isn't close to happening.

We have different gens because of technology and the need to use new hardware that is incompatible with old hardware. If you notice, GamePass isn't exactly making Xbox sell through the roof.

Netflix is extremely popular, yet digital purchases and Bluray sales are still through the roof. You have zero evidence to support your position.
aren't some discs slowly turning into a day 1 download of some content before you can play them?

sure they don't need to sub to PS NOW, PS + or any other PS thing but do you think 10 years from now people who would buy the PS6 wouldn't have access to the internet that is good enough to download a digital title?

I mean early consumers too


maybe the PS6 will also have discs that is a possibility and hence why I stated it as possibility

if so then they should also have the PS6 be BC with PS1-PS5 so that the future digital transition is smoother imho
 

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Even if our infrastructure was perfect, streaming still isn't killing dedicated hardware off anytime soon. The future will have more options for sure, but there will always be legitimate points for having an actual piece of hardware in front of you that extends passed latency issues via streaming. It's gonna be different as people are simply gonna have more options than ever before, but actually owning the latest piece of hardware isn't going anywhere.
 

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Oh look, it's that time of the generation again, when we start talking about how the next generation of consoles will be the last.
 

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There's no point in voting because the premise of the thread is silly. With the current trend of game file sizes getting bigger and bigger with each generation (we're now in the ranges of 50GB, next gen would probably require 100GB+ files sizes), physical media is more important than ever as many countries do not have the internet speed or data caps capable of handling that large of file sizes.
 
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I doubt it's the last console gen but I'm willing to bet PS5 is the last console device that supports physical media.

There will be devices that play/stream games for a long time to come.

I seriously doubt that. The sizes of the games right now are huge, imagine downloading next gen games and the games after that.
 

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1) PS5 likely won't be the last console gen.
2) It will not be BC beyond PS4.
 

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I seriously doubt that. The sizes of the games right now are huge, imagine downloading next gen games and the games after that.
The ratio of digital to physical is going to be overturned in favor of digital next generation.

It has been on that trajectory quite obviously for awhile now. Internet speeds and data caps will continue to improve worldwide over the next decade.

Think about where we were a decade ago.
 

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If you look through history, there is rarely been a need for any more reason than 'it's easy'.

Most times it's been easy, the hardware maker will do it. Most times it's been hard, they won't. in this case it's going to be easy (at least for PS4. We'll see about 1 2 and 3.), so that's all the reason they need.
 

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The ratio of digital to physical is going to be overturned in favor of digital next generation.

It has been on that trajectory quite obviously for awhile now. Internet speeds and data caps will continue to improve worldwide over the next decade.

Think about where we were a decade ago.
DVD movies are still being sold.....think about that and where movie streaming and downloading is....same with music.
 
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Here we go again. People don't know how to disagree with a thread/title without being annoying, hostile, or mocking the poster's intelligence. Peak Resetera
 

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DVD movies are still being sold.....think about that and where movie streaming and downloading is....same with music.
Think about the relevance of DVD sales and CD sales vs streaming.

Just because they're still being sold in some corner of the Walmart electronics section doesn't mean they're the main avenue of media consumption.

Streaming services like Netflix/Hulu/Amazon/Spotify/Apple Music are way more prevalent.
 

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Think about the relevance of DVD sales and CD sales vs streaming.

Just because they're still being sold in some corner of the Walmart electronics section doesn't mean they're the main avenue of media consumption.
Yes they are still being sold like I said....I never said it would be the "main avenue of media consumption". Hell I'm a PC gamer I haven't bought a physical disk in years.
 
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The ratio of digital to physical is going to be overturned in favor of digital next generation.

It has been on that trajectory quite obviously for awhile now. Internet speeds and data caps will continue to improve worldwide over the next decade.

Think about where we were a decade ago.

In some countries sure, but for the rest again I seriously doubt that. Sure internet speeds and data caps will continue to improve all over but not in a way that would significantly offset the rate the sizes of the games are going. Some games now are 100+GB's in size after patches and DLC's, next gen games can possibly double that.
 

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Most times it's been easy, the hardware maker will do it. Most times it's been hard, they won't. in this case it's going to be easy (at least for PS4. We'll see about 1 2 and 3.), so that's all the reason they need.
I'm sure it's super easy to do it for PS and PS2 (aside from memory card support, which likely would need an external peripheral*) but ofc that wouldn't be of much use without also having PS3 BC. Let's see if they can maybe pull it off from raw power alone (or they go overkill the Crazy Ken way and stick a Cell inside that shit! Haha)

*Meant external peripheral for physical memory cards, ofc. Not the common software emulated type. The extreme nostalgia enthusiast add-on.
 
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cakely

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I mean, sure technically, anything's possible.

"With the possibility that aliens invade, wouldn't that be more of a reason to make the PS5 backwards compatible."

Oh, and the PS5 will be backwards compatible. We know this already.
 

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I'm sure it's super easy to do it for PS and PS2 (aside from memory card support, which likely would need an external peripheral*) but ofc that wouldn't be of much use without also having PS3 BC. Let's see if they can maybe pull it off from raw power alone (or they go overkill the Crazy Ken way and stick a Cell inside that shit! Haha)

*Meant external peripheral for physical memory cards, ofc. Not the common software emulated type. The extreme nostalgia enthusiast add-on.


If there emulators work that well, then PS 1 and 2 should be easy. PS3 may not be easy. I can only think of two examples of platform holders doing it when it's not easy. The first was PS3 that had an entire PS2 on board. that wasn't too bright but at the time they were really sticking hard to the BC thing. That's probably off the table.

The other time it wasn't easy is right now with Microsoft adjusting games on a case-by-case basis. Maybe across-the-board PS3 emulation could be done like that. again, though I don't expect them to take that route because it would be hard. I only expect them to do PS3 if they have a pretty much trouble free emulator.
 

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aren't some discs slowly turning into a day 1 download of some content before you can play them?

sure they don't need to sub to PS NOW, PS + or any other PS thing but do you think 10 years from now people who would buy the PS6 wouldn't have access to the internet that is good enough to download a digital title?

I mean early consumers too


maybe the PS6 will also have discs that is a possibility and hence why I stated it as possibility

if so then they should also have the PS6 be BC with PS1-PS5 so that the future digital transition is smoother imho
Day one patches have been around since the Xbox. They just improve the game and usually are less than a GB. And very few are "this game will not work at all until you download this"...that is a massive exaggeration. That doesn't justify not releasing new hardware with no way to use any physical media.

Alot of people do have good internet already...but that's not the point and I think you know that. Consumers want physical games and local content, and for publishers and devs, local content has financial and technological benefits that digital isn't close to replacing. Not to mention that there is basically no console games with more than 50% of its sales in digital. Everyone is trying to tell you that.

Then, you have people in here comparing PC gaming to console gaming, and streaming movies and songs to games that are 50GB and growing and requires interactivity. So yeah...not even going to address that.
 
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I mean, sure technically, anything's possible.

"With the possibility that aliens invade, wouldn't that be more of a reason to make the PS5 backwards compatible."

Oh, and the PS5 will be backwards compatible. We know this already.

PS4 BC was announced but not the other 3

beyond patents of course but patents are not confirmation

Day one patches have been around since the Xbox. They just improve the game and usually are less than a GB. And very few are "this game will not work at all until you download this"...that is a massive exaggeration. That doesn't justify not releasing new hardware with no way to use any physical media.

Alot of people do have good internet already...but that's not the point and I think you know that. Consumers want physical games and local content, and for publishers and devs, local content has financial and technological benefits that digital isn't close to replacing. Not to mention that there is basically no console games with more than 50% of its sales in digital. Everyone is trying to tell you that.

Then, you have people in here comparing PC gaming to console gaming, and streaming movies and songs to games that are 50GB and growing and requires interactivity. So yeah...not even going to address that.
do you believe in a decade from now that said memory issue would still be prevalent? or that digital downloads will take a larger chunk of physical medias pie
 

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There is no way PS5 will be the last console gen, it might be the last gen with physical media though.
That won't even be true. Just like the infrastructure can't widely support streaming, it also can't support the idea of the only option being to download 200GB games.

Physical media will have to continue on for those whom it would take a weeks to download a game that large.
 

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PS4 BC was announced but not the other 3

beyond patents of course but patents are not confirmation


do you believe in a decade from now that said memory issue would still be prevalent? or that digital downloads will take a larger chunk of physical medias pie
Yes, this coming gen will start with 1440p games until 4K games become standard later in the gen. Then 8K comes. Not to mention technologies that are programmed into a game as hardware specs improve. Soon we'll have games with more than 100GB.

And don't forget that people are cheap! Physical games will always be cheaper, and not everyone will want to pay for faster internet. Yes internet access will improve, but current internet will become cheaper. The average console gamer isn't a single adult techie with loads of disposable income (which is why comparisons to PC gamers are bad). You kind of downplayed this before, but alot of people don't have PSN/XBL/NSO simply because they don't want to pay for it.

Digital downloads are growing fast but playing physical media is one of the services that is important for a console system. As in, if you don't have physical media, that is a missing feature that will cause your console to fail.

Physical media is, in itself, an important feature, and profitable for both the consumers and publishers. Streaming and downloading are additional services, not replacements. If you notice, it's really only indie games and smaller efforts that go straight to digital.
 

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just make it all digital...
If you have the disc... put it in and download the game...

that kind of thing.
 
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Yes, this coming gen will start with 1440p games until 4K games become standard later in the gen. Then 8K comes. Not to mention technologies that are programmed into a game as hardware specs improve. Soon we'll have games with more than 100GB.

And don't forget that people are cheap! Physical games will always be cheaper, and not everyone will want to pay for faster internet. Yes internet access will improve, but current internet will become cheaper. The average console gamer isn't a single adult techie with loads of disposable income (which is why comparisons to PC gamers are bad). You kind of downplayed this before, but alot of people don't have PSN/XBL/NSO simply because they don't want to pay for it.

Digital downloads are growing fast but playing physical media is one of the services that is important for a console system. As in, if you don't have physical media, that is a missing feature that will cause your console to fail.

Physical media is, in itself, an important feature, and profitable for both the consumers and publishers. Streaming and downloading are additional services, not replacements. If you notice, it's really only indie games and smaller efforts that go straight to digital.
so due to increase in memory and resolution, digital will never catch up and physical media will always be a thing to counter said tolls

eventually I feel a transition is going to happen for a all digital future but it seems you believe that it will never happen let alone in a few decades

I feel in a decade or more that the gap will become smaller and smaller


It would be cool if they could make it compatible with all old disc based games for PS1-PS4. That said, I don't think they need to worry about UMD's etc. Just have a good "virtual console" and it'll be fine. Also, this won't be the last physical console generation imo.
this is a nice idea too if actual effort to put all PSP/VITA games on the PS Store is done
 

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Sorry I was harsh OP, lowkey I believe in your thought. I hope that it becomes true for 1st world.
 
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I think OP is correct. With technology slowing down etc. I can see the next consoles just be called Playstation and Xbox and dropping the concept of a generation.
 

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Considering how much money consoles make I think the question in itself is rather silly.

However if it could play EVERY ps game ever, regardless of region, device, etc that would be wild, but I'd never expect it.

Lots of money goes into the R&D of the hardware and at times that hardware is sold at either a loss or just above cost. I would wager most of the actual profits Sony makes from games is from software and services. The PS5 will likely be around until at least 2028, so by that time they may have figured out they can get almost just as good of an experience as a game console to a much wider audience because there wouldn't be a $400 or more hardware barrier.