• Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
  • We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.

brandywine

Member
Oct 27, 2017
166
There are inexpensive options in the US. Even the coasts have systems like CSU and CUNY. With financial support in the form of Pell Grants and state-based programs, costs seem tolerable to me. Surely some of this can be attributed to snubbing affordable schools. We need better counseling in high school and transparency in employment numbers to help students make good decisions. Ideally, we'd have an economy and culture that doesn't try to put everyone into college, but one step at a time.
 
Oct 27, 2017
7,979
Despite being $500k in debt from student loans since 2015, I made my first loan payment this month because I applied for the income based repayment program. I'm not exactly sure what the long term consequences are for doing this since I've never found a good explanation of it. But this was my only option because otherwise they wanted me to pay $4200 a month for 10 years. This whole thing is unsustainable.
I know I won't be the first to chime in on this but half a million!!!??? Good lord, did you study medicine?
 

Coolwhip

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,628
How can I make a topic? I need to make a topic about something horrible that happened in my life. How do I do it?
 

Haunted

Banned
Nov 3, 2017
2,737
USA pls

If the banks can get a bail out, I don't see why the citizens of the country can't.

Think of it as trickle down economics, these people plagued with student loans will create new jobs by buying more shit companies sell
di_05812.jpg


Good one. Glad people on the ground still have their sense of humour even after getting fucked by the system.
 

Philia

Member
Oct 25, 2017
439
I'll never forget that day as a kid when we got the bill in the mail from my mother's university saying there's about $400 due. This is in '90. She has been dead for months. I remember my grandma being so angry and just throwing it away.
 

GotMineGood

Banned
Nov 25, 2017
801
Seems reasonable to absolve all student loan debt currently on record while simultaneously introducing legislation to start federally free higher education. I'm sure the banks would be okay with that after the gift they got.
 

TheGhost

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,137
Long Island
College shouldn't be a necessity to get a God damn job unless you're going to be a teacher/rocket scientist/doctor etc etc

You shouldn't need a college degree and debt to work in an office. The fact that you now need a degree to do jobs that never required them 20-30 years ago is bullshit.
 

kellar

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
545
Benghazi, Libya.
Everyday i go to classes i think about how horrible it must be for a student to have 10s of thousands of dollars in debt just to study. At this point there needs to be a solution for this mess.

I thank oil money for letting me go to college for free in my ex-Socialist Country.
 

Executor

Member
Oct 30, 2017
79
Living in Italy (where I did a Master Degree in Electronical Engineering, but it's the same in many EU countries) all of that sound absolutely crazy to me...
 

Madison

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,388
Lima, Peru
Tbh this makes south-american countries like Peru, Chile and Uruguay sound like a dream. Sure, the education isnt as good but at least you dont have to sell your organs to pay your debts.
 

Red Cadet 015

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,947
I think you have trickle down economics confused with the way stuff actually works.

;)
It would work if applied to middle class people, actually. Rich people are wealthy enough to save money when they have extra. Middle class and poor people tend to spend extra money they get, which improves the economy.
 

tokkun

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,414
Why is everything so expensive in the US? I pay less than 1000 euros a year in university taxes.

Imagine you gave an 18-year-old a credit card with a $100K limit and no payments for 5 years. Then tell them to go buy a car. What do you think would happen? A lot will probably end up buying extravagantly expensive choices like brand new Hummers or BMWs. Not many would buy a 5-year-old Honda Civic, even if it is much cheaper, more reliable, and gets you around just as well. People in general - but teenagers especially - are not particularly good at thinking through the consequences of decisions that they won't have to face for 5 years or more. And for someone who is not financially independent, a sum like $100K is basically an abstract concept. It doesn't sound much different to them compared to $20K or $200K, because they have never had to pay off a sum that large before.

The student loan system basically works like that. Most students don't really make cost a primary factor when selecting a college, because they aren't thinking about how difficult it will be to pay off those loans down the road. Instead they choose colleges because they liked what they saw on the campus tour or the school has a good reputation. Of course, this incentives schools to spend a lot of money on the type of things that influence these enrollment decisions, many of which are amenities not really related to educations. Stuff like building fancy new gyms, high end food in cafeterias, sponsoring tons of student recreational clubs, etc. This drives up costs.

Cheaper options exist in the US, but most students don't take them because they are not price-conscious, and we have a culture where parents' are expected to tell kids to "follow their dreams" rather than telling them to be prudent.

Every loan should be bankruptable, otherwise there's no reason to ever lower prices and it's free money to those that hand it out for.. handing out money they never had to people that don't have it.

There are tradeoffs, though. If you start allowing defaults on student loans, interest rates will go up to compensate. So now you are punishing the people who do pay off their loans on time. If banks start taking default risk into consideration when giving out loans, they may be unwilling to give loans to poor people because they are a higher default risk.
 
Last edited:

Panic Freak

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,585
Funny thing is Bill Clinton was the one who made it so students couldn't file for bankruptcy at the urging of loan companies because a small number of doctors and lawyers (pretty positive the quoted percent was less than 8% someone correct me if I'm wrong) were filing for bankruptcy as soon as they left college. Side effect of not being able to dismiss student loans is that coincidentally tuition rates could increase unchecked, again pure coincidence I'm sure PURE COINCIDENCE

That's not true at all. The laws were changed in 1976, 1984 and again in 2005 to restrict and eventually disallow student loans from being able to be expunged through bankruptcy.

http://business.time.com/2012/02/09/why-cant-you-discharge-student-loans-in-bankruptcy/
 

entremet

You wouldn't toast a NES cartridge
Member
Oct 26, 2017
60,226
The collapse is happening and it's gonna be ugly. This system is not sustainable. It's already going to be affecting stuff like home sales and the like. Washington is damn stupid and myopic. No long term thinkers there at all.
 

MaxDOL

Member
Oct 31, 2017
194
For those who live in the country with free/cheap universities.
Is it also free/cheap to study in private for profit universities or it only free/cheap for public universities.
Because I think most of the Americans who got high student loan debt have study in private universities.
 
Oct 26, 2017
398
User was warned for unnecessary provocation.
Yeesh, you students need to learn what a "loan" is before getting into such debt. Don't take it out if you can't pay.
 

RoninChaos

Member
Oct 26, 2017
8,338
There is a report today on the daily from the New York Times about People getting their professional licenses suspended or revoked if they don't pay their student loans. So you take away their ability to make money if they aren't paying you.

Meanwhile, tax cuts for the rich are the most important thing! That way the money trickles down and those loans will get paid!

Man, I'm so glad we elected trump because people like him and DeVos are really going to help us out! /s
 
Last edited:

L4DANathan

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
857
Fairfax, VA, USA
I pay $120 a month minimum, when I make about $1200 on a busy month (I work hourly). And I didn't even finish, it was too expensive.

EDIT: Used to be $150 and I made less at the time, but I paid off one of the loans entirely.
 

gcubed

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,788
I agree that costs are crazy and they need to come down, but people also need to get their head out of their ass and not go to x private school 10 states over because they like the name. You can do community colleges for basic classes and an in-state state school for a much lower amount of money.
 

Red

Member
Oct 26, 2017
11,705
Yeesh, you students need to learn what a "loan" is before getting into such debt. Don't take it out if you can't pay.
In many cases, people expect to be able to pay once they've graduated. Then for one reason or another, they must drop out (perhaps for a medical emergency, family crisis, realization of the cost, etc), or they can't find a job once they've graduated—or can't find a job that pays an amount that sufficiently covers their loan payments. It's foolish to think that people go into this not understanding that they'll have to pay back their loans. Many people may see no other option but college on their way to a career, whether or not the cost of it is feasible.
I agree that costs are crazy and they need to come down, but people also need to get their head out of their ass and not go to x private school 10 states over because they like the name. You can do community colleges for basic classes and an in-state state school for a much lower amount of money.
Hm...
the dang ol' OP said:
Research from the New York Federal Reserve last month shows many borrowers who fall behind on payments dropped out of college before earning a degree, and attended for-profit schools and community colleges.
 

Tovarisc

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,442
FIN
Yeesh, you students need to learn what a "loan" is before getting into such debt. Don't take it out if you can't pay.

Maybe I'm wrong, but my understanding is that for large majority in US it's choice between taking loans and getting college education or not taking loans, but not getting college degree either. In a sense you have to roll a dice and pray you get decent paying job after graduation if you want higher degree education for yourself.
 

Ambient80

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
4,627
How on earth are you half a million in debt for college??
Not speaking for that poster, but I have similar student debt after four years of college and five years of medical school (took medical leave my first year or it would have been just four of med school).

I'll be fortunate enough to have a good job once I'm done with residency, but I imagine my monthly payments on loans will be north of $8k. Fun times! :(

I'll probably just rent my first several years in practice, and out as much money as possible into paying off loans so they'll be gone quickly. I've already proven to myself I can live comfortably on a $55k salary in residency. Now I can put all the extra into loans and be done.
 

Red Cadet 015

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,947
.Cheaper options exist in the US, but most students don't take them because they are not price-conscious, and we have a culture where parents' are expected to tell kids to "follow their dreams" rather than telling them to be prudent.
Yeah... nah. Some schools are actually better than others. It's more that the way we pay for all these things is forced entirely on the students rather than other sources of revenue like the government/corporations.

Universities should have nice facilities. Don't blame students for wanting them. Education is one of the most valuable components of an economy. We need to fundementally change the way these things are paid for, not cut back on them like Republicans want to do.
 
Oct 26, 2017
398
Maybe I'm wrong, but my understanding is that for large majority in US it's choice between taking loans and getting college education or not taking loans, but not getting college degree either. In a sense you have to roll a dice and pray you get decent paying job after graduation if you want higher degree education for yourself.

So they rolled the dice and lost? There will be losers in any system. New students should be looking at the odds with this dice roll and thinking about the potential worst-case scenario seriously.
 
Oct 31, 2017
195
I hope news like this means, that if you have kids (or plan on having them), then setting up a 529 or ESA for college expenses is a good investment and won't ruin their lives. If you can afford it, of course.
 

SuperBonk

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
354
Jeez man, where did you go to school?

What?! No way...500K?!? Damn man how did it get so high? Good luck


How on earth are you half a million in debt for college??

I need to know how the hell you built up that much debt from student loans.

Were you at college for 20 years? How did you rack up half a million in debt? What course did you do?

That's what I dont get, besides the tax bomb after 25 years what other catch is there to income based repayment?

I mean if youre unemployed your required payments are zero and even if employed I think its less than 10% of, after living expenses removed, remaining available income, iirc.

So there must be a catch as I just cant believe that many would default unless their loans didnt qualify or there was a catch.

I know I won't be the first to chime in on this but half a million!!!??? Good lord, did you study medicine?

Heh, let's just say going to NYU for both undergrad and dental school maybe wasn't the best idea.
 

Darth Vapor

Self Requested Ban
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
700
Death Star
Insane hearing these amounts as a Finn (schools are free here). I never had to take any student loan and I didn't get money from my parents either. Just working 3 months every summer was enough to survive the rest of the year and I lived alone in a rent apartment (so no rent sharing).
It's insane hearing these amounts as a US citizen who has a graduate degree. Some of these figures are 10x what I paid for 7 years of school.

I'm sorry, if you have $500k in loans that you can't pay back, you fucked up. That's not the education systems fault because there is literally no reason to borrow that much money.
 
Oct 30, 2017
8,706
I've got quite a bit in student loans. With Income based repayment, I technically only have to pay 15 dollars a month. I'm currently paying over 1000 per month, though. The 10 year plan recommended 700 per month. I want them gone in 5.
 

Deleted member 4346

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
8,976
Yeesh, you students need to learn what a "loan" is before getting into such debt. Don't take it out if you can't pay.

So how are students from middle-class and working-class families supposed to afford college? University of Maryland College Park (my state's big public uni) is $25k/year for in-state tuition + room/board. After books and other expenses you're pushing $30,000/year. Who can afford that without student loans and/or big scholarships or grants?

Upward mobility in America has been snatched from the people... and you seem to think that is a-ok.
 
Last edited:

turbobrick

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,092
Phoenix, AZ
I agree that costs are crazy and they need to come down, but people also need to get their head out of their ass and not go to x private school 10 states over because they like the name. You can do community colleges for basic classes and an in-state state school for a much lower amount of money.

Even in state colleges are expensive these days, which you need to transfer to eventually to get a 4 year degree.

I've been in college for a total of 9 years. First time was I went for 5 years starting in 2004 and got a degree in chemistry from Arizona State University. When I started tuition was like $2500 per semester, which really isn't bad for a major university. I was lucky and my parents were able to afford to pay my tuition.
After I graduated and couldn't get steady job in my field, I eventually took programming classes at community college, then transferred back to ASU, paying for it all by myself, as I had saved up money from working for a few years, and I also have a job while still in school. My tuition now for a semester is $6000.

So from 2004 to now, tuition has gone from $2500/semester to $6000/semester. That's a huge increase over not much time. While I can't speak for other universities across the country, but if they've had similar increases, it would easily explain why so many people have so much debt. Basically what I'm saying is that tuition used to be something you could pay if you were working part time, and it no longer is.
 

Darth Vapor

Self Requested Ban
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
700
Death Star
So how are students from middle-class and working-class families supposed to afford college? University of Maryland College Park (my state's big public uni) is $25k/year for in-state tuition. After books and other expenses you're pushing $30,000/year. Who can afford that without student loans and/or big scholarships or grants?

Upward mobility in America has been snatched from the people... and you seem to think that is a-ok.

That's not true.

https://www.admissions.umd.edu/finance/costs
 

DigitalOp

Member
Nov 16, 2017
9,292
So they rolled the dice and lost? There will be losers in any system. New students should be looking at the odds with this dice roll and thinking about the potential worst-case scenario seriously.

Yo shut up, I dont know if you're riding a tall ass horse or you live in a marble palace. But your opinion is completely uninformed and uneducated.