Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)

Mesoian · Dec 16, 2017

Squidi said:
That's your assumption. Japan is a different culture. They have considerably different opinions on the nature of nudity, which is both more reserved and lessreserved than most Western countries. I lived there for six months and you can walk into a bookstore and see boobs on the cover of a book right next the children's section. They bathe - naked! - with their children. Communal bathing is a universal Japanese bonding experience. Hell, one time I was peeing in a men's room when a cleaning lady came in and started scrubbing toilets as if I wasn't there. Another bit of culture clash for me was the willingness for men to pee anywhere on anything, even if a mob of people are standing right behind them.

And this is where you are projecting. You are answering the question from your perspective. The designers themselves obviously don't see this dichotomy. They didn't go, geez, it doesn't make sense but I really want to have some big boobs here. They are aware of the themes of their game and the designs employed in it, and if they didn't see the same problems you do, maybe it is because they aren't looking at it through your eyes. Instead of constantly trying to put the designers in your shoes, why don't you try putting yourself in theirs?

I'm not sure you know what you are talking about with the "typical Japanese demure personality" thing. If you ever find yourself in Japan, see if you can't find a phonebooth and look in it. Dollars to donuts, it is completely wallpapered with packs of tissues with naked ladies on it.

Man please.

Don't talk about Japan like they're some sort of alien culture so far removed from the rest of the world that they don't hide their shame and freely display acts of lust and debauchery openly. They're not. The mindset you're pushing right now is some anime bullshit.

When I was in japan, the only place I saw napkins with naked ladies was in Roupongi, an area that's only about as bad as South Boston but is lauded as the most dangerous place in Tokyo. There certainly wasn't pornography lining the streets, there certainly weren't scores of women asking for sex, the worst I saw was a few drunk businessmen. If anything, Las Vegas on some idle tuesday is worse than the very very very worst that Japan has to offer.

Your idea of what Japan is sounds like it's only gleaned from Yakuza games.

"But exposed titties is part of their culture!" Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. And I say it that bluntly because it is BULLSHIT. It's not true. It's enthusiast media bleeding into the mainstream as technology changes. It is ANYTHING but the norm. It is DEFINITELY seen as embarrassing there as it is here.

PtM said:
This is Orwellian.

This is american.

in that there are a lot of people who don't know how to even start to confront the unrealistic idea of beauty that our society has set forth

RM8 · Dec 16, 2017

I live in Japan, I have Japanese relatives, and I speak Japanese (and I have talked about this with Japanese friends). Women dress extremely conservatively here and cleavage is particularly not okay (short pants/skirts are common, though). It is true that you can go to 7 Eleven and see porny magazines, but they are that, porny magazines. Heck, watch Japanese TV as opposed of otaku-pandering games. Where are the "fanservicey" outfits? Nowhere to be seen, that's where, because Japan =/= pornography =/= otaku media.

HypedBeast · Dec 16, 2017

Redcrayon said:
If you look back to Aladdin, which obviously had a male lead, his eyes and Jasmine's are much more similar in size. It's not about the lead characters having bigger eyes because they are the star of the show, it's about female characters being associated with 'cute' and 'youth' like bloody kittens. If Kristoff was the star of Frozen, they wouldn't make his eyes four times the size just because he was 'the star'.

Even amongst Disney films, those eyes have been getting bigger- I wouldn't have said that earlier female leads are sitting in the uncanny valley because their eyes are smaller, it's more that the modern approach takes that 'selling cute' ratio even further with the female leads making them look like almost a whole different species to the guys.

By Frozen 6 I'm expecting Elsa to be a Cyclops and Anna to be dragged off by the Snowmen in Black.

I feel that they wanted to push their appeal even further , so they made the eyes bigger overtime.
It may not appeal to everybody, but I feel it works really well in CGI.

As for Kristoff not having bigger eyes if he were the main protagonist, we cant be sure since it never happened, but I would imagine he would probably look something akin to Jack Frost from Rise of the Guardians (though it is a bit harder to tell since he rarely opens his eyes up wide).

When you put Elsa and him side by side, stylistically they dont look too dissimilar, though its hard to find someone who looks exactly like Elsa since Jin Kim (character designer of Frozen, Tangled, Big Hero 6, Moana) has his own style.

Redcrayon · Dec 16, 2017

HypedBeast said:
I feel that they wanted to push their appeal even further , so they made the eyes bigger overtime.
It may not appeal to everybody, but I feel it works really well in CGI.

As for Kristoff not having bigger eyes if he were the main protagonist, we cant be sure since it never happened, but I would imagine he would probably look something akin to Jack Frost from Rise of the Guardians (though it is a bit harder to tell since he rarely opens his eyes up wide).

When you put Elsa and him side by side, stylistically they dont look too dissimilar, though its hard to find someone who looks exactly like Elsa since Jin Kim (character designer of Frozen, Tangled, Big Hero 6, Moana) has his own style.

Fair points, thanks for that. Yeah, agree with all of that- good response :-)

Mesoian · Dec 16, 2017

RM8 said:
I live in Japan, I have Japanese relatives, and I speak Japanese (and I have talked about this with Japanese friends). Women dress extremely conservatively here and cleavage is particularly not okay (short pants/skirts are common, though). It is true that you can go to 7 Eleven and see porny magazines, but they are that, porny magazines. Heck, watch Japanese TV as opposed of otaku-pandering games. Where are the "fanservicey" outfits? Nowhere to be seen, that's where, because Japan =/= pornography =/= otaku media.

Fucking Preach.

Dudes got this idea that Japan is some porn bastion and everyone is perfectly okay with everything about it. Otaku culture has foreigners actually fucked up on what's REALLY going on in Japan.

Like....for real.

Derpot · Dec 16, 2017

Squidi said:
Maybe the camera angles show "cleavage and panty shots", but you are the one obsessing over them. I'm sure the camera angles also show faces, feet, shoulders, clavicles, knees, and possibly arm pits. You are the one projecting sexual desire on them. Cleavage is not innately sexual. It is only your sexual repression which makes anything forbidden into something arousing.

You make it dirty, not the camera. And I find that shameful because I don't make it dirty, and I find your behavior degrading to women when you reduce them to just a bunch of sexual parts, ignoring their personhood, and remove their agency by telling them how they should be allowed to dress.

I know he's banned but:

*coughs*

But I would argue that Bayo is a special case, because it's totally part of her character.
It's quite strange because even if I often have issues with female sexualisation as a woman, I actually like Bayonetta. Sexualisation is part of the character, it's as if she uses her sexiness as a weapon. I think her personality is fun and the game itself is totally over-the-top. But I totally understand why some people don't like her and think she's problematic.
To me, Bayo is a good example of "sexualisation that is part of the character and used in context" (unlike, for example, Quiet from MGS5 or Cindy from FFXV).

Mezentine · Dec 16, 2017

psychowave said:
The part that's really telling to me is the fact that they look their age or even slightly older, whereas popular female characters usually look like 12 year olds (well, their general facial features at least).

Ayup

DragonKeeper · Dec 16, 2017

HypedBeast said:
If they had normal sized eyes, if would not only a lot weirder, but they also wouldn't be as expressive and as endearing.

Like the bottom picture has a big uncanny valley effect and wouldn't appeal to nearly as many children as the original.

The Frozen male characters do look a bit more realistic (smaller eyes), but they aren't the star of the show, Anna and Elsa are.

That second picture doesn't look Uncanny Valley to me like, at all. It just looks like an older Elsa.

Twig · Dec 16, 2017

DragonKeeper said:
That second picture doesn't look Uncanny Valley to me like, at all. It just looks like an older Elsa.

Yeah, pretty much. Bigger eyes are often used to make characters look younger. Not to bridge over some mysterious uncanny valley. And it definitely happens far more often with girls and women than it does boys and men.

HypedBeast · Dec 16, 2017

Twig said:
Yeah, pretty much. Bigger eyes are often used to make characters look younger. Not to bridge over some mysterious uncanny valley. And it definitely happens far more often with girls and women than it does boys and men.

Bigger eyes are often used to make a character look younger, but I wouldn't say that is the primary reason its done on adult characters. Most of the times it is simply done for a stylistic choice, like Shane Glines for example.

Tracy Butler does a good job of outlining in an easy to understand way.

As for your point on it happening to girls more than boys, it depends on what media you watch for the most part.

For example most of Shonen Jump protaganist have big eyes.

But if you read regular cape comics and play WRPGs, the eye sizes tend to be pretty grounded for both sexes.

Deleted member 5535 · Dec 16, 2017

Twig said:
Yeah, pretty much. Bigger eyes are often used to make characters look younger. Not to bridge over some mysterious uncanny valley. And it definitely happens far more often with girls and women than it does boys and men.

I would say that big eyes are made to give much more options to show different kind of emotions like sadness, happiness and other ones with a big highlight of these. And this is something that happen in anime, manga, some games and also some animations in the west like Pixar and Disney.

psychowave · Dec 16, 2017

HypedBeast said:
Bigger eyes are often used to make a character look younger, but I wouldn't say that is the primary reason its done on adult characters. Most of the times it is simply done for a stylistic choice, like Shane Glines for example.

Tracy Butler does a good job of outlining in an easy to understand way.

As for your point on it happening to girls more than boys, it depends on what media you watch for the most part.

For example most of Shonen Jump protaganist have big eyes.

But if you read regular cape comics and play WRPGs, the eye sizes tend to be pretty grounded for both sexes.

yet 3 out of 4 guys in that pic have smaller eyes than the girl lol

HypedBeast · Dec 16, 2017

psychowave said:
yet 3 out of 4 guys in that pic have smaller eyes than the girl lol

Okay? You kind of completely missed the point. I mean I could've used Momo, who has smaller eyes than all of them.

The point is that characters often have really big eyes because they very good for expression (even in that picture Bakugos eyes are really huge.)

PtM · Dec 16, 2017

My eyes can't be big enough to express how I feel about this disingenuous bullshit.

Twig · Dec 16, 2017

Ya ever heard of exceptions that prove the rule

psychowave · Dec 16, 2017

so anyway why do all these high school girls have D cups. what's up with that

RedHoodedOwl · Dec 16, 2017

What school would allow Momo to wear her superhero outfit?

Laiza · Dec 16, 2017

psychowave said:
so anyway why do all these high school girls have D cups. what's up with that

I thought this exact thing. It's really obnoxious.

Derpot · Dec 16, 2017

I like Boku no Hero Academia a lot, but if there is a thing that I would criticize is *sighs* how female characters are handled in general.
(And let's not talk about how the only transgender character in the manga was handled)

Xaszatm · Dec 16, 2017

psychowave said:
so anyway why do all these high school girls have D cups. what's up with that

Because clearly the high school girls are growing. That's why adult women get F cups, so high school girls can still be jealous because...because clearly that's how biology works.

Derpot said:
I like Boku no Hero Academia a lot, but if there is a thing that I would criticize is *sighs* how female characters are handled in general.
(And let's not talk about how the only transgender character in the manga was handled)

Didn't the latest chapter relegate all the women to cheerleader roles?

Deleted member 5535 · Dec 16, 2017

psychowave said:
so anyway why do all these high school girls have D cups. what's up with that

In the case of Shounen magazines, because those focus on kids and teenage boys in general. That's also why the majority of the characters are generally boys and girls in that age.

psychowave · Dec 16, 2017

CSSD said:
In the case of Shounen magazines, because those focus on kids and teenage boys in general. That's also why the majority of the characters are generally boys and girls in that age.

so these magazines are instilling unrealistic ideas of girl's bodies on kids and teenage boys. good shit

Deleted member 5535 · Dec 16, 2017

psychowave said:
so these magazines are instilling unrealistic ideas of girl's bodies on kids and teenage boys. good shit

Maybe, but this is made to appeal to them just like games using character design with girls with skirts are trying to appeal to teenagers because they're in that age and conviving/atracted to girls that have that same appearance.

Derpot · Dec 16, 2017

Xaszatm said:
Didn't the latest chapter relegate all the women to cheerleader roles?

I haven't read the latest chapter yet, but the most important fights during the latest arc (Overhaul) were only between male characters. Some female characters contributed too, but the manga didn't focus on their fights that much.

PtM · Dec 16, 2017

CSSD said:
Maybe, but this is made to appeal to them just like games using character design with girls with skirts are trying to appeal to teenagers because they're in that age and conviving/atracted to girls that have that same appearance.

It's all very practical when you get down to it.

SugarNoodles · Dec 16, 2017

It's so cringey when people try to defend sexism in Japan by saying it's a "different culture"

Every stride that Japan makes for women's rights is consistently 3 decades or so behind the US, and the US has a shit track record in the first place. You're going to find unusual fringe cases like there being *way* more female composers in Japan than in the West, but overarching trends are still going to be unacceptably archaic by comparison.

Deleted member 5535 · Dec 16, 2017

SugarNoodles said:
It's so cringey when people try to defend sexism in Japan by saying it's a "different culture"

Every stride that Japan makes for women's rights is consistently 3 decades or so behind the US, and the US has a shit track record in the first place. You're going to find unusual fringe cases like there being *way* more female composers in Japan than in the West, but overarching trends are still going to be unacceptably archaic by comparison.

Who is saying this? If you're referring to me, I'm just explaining the basics of what they do in those cases. It's not my fault if you disagree with the reality but what I said is exactly why they do this.

Choppasmith · Dec 16, 2017

RedHoodedOwl said:
What school would allow Momo to wear her superhero outfit?

I only watch the anime, so I don't know if it was done in the Manga but there's a segment on scandalous superhero costumes where they show one of the hero teachers, Midnight, with a "wearing barely anything" outfit which led to regulations being passed. But it's quickly forgotten about.

I look at Momo and think, well, her power is to create objects and pull them out of her skin, so having an open area in front of her makes sense where she can easily grab things. But I really don't know how her breasts are supposed to stay in place. It bugs the crap out of me. Looking at that design, I realize it's not even that big of an "opening" either. I can't remember why she needs that seat on her behind either.

Derpot said:
(And let's not talk about how the only transgender character in the manga was handled)

Wait what? Has this been done in the anime yet? Again, I haven't read the manga.

psychowave said:
so these magazines are instilling unrealistic ideas of girl's bodies on kids and teenage boys. good shit

Oh man, I remember being a little curious about hentai years ago. Came across an H manga that started showing two women wearing business suits with, surprise, huge knockers several times larger than their heads with lines indicating where the nipples and areolas were trying to bulge out of the shirt/jacket. It was so damn absurd I didn't know whether to laugh or get mad. I just couldn't help but think, "people get turned on by... THIS?!" But I've come across guys, usually online, who have this "the bigger the better" attitude toward breasts. It's terrible.

TheGravityBreaker · Dec 16, 2017

Choppasmith said:
I only watch the anime, so I don't know if it was done in the Manga but there's a segment on scandalous superhero costumes where they show one of the hero teachers, Midnight, with a "wearing barely anything" outfit which led to regulations being passed. But it's quickly forgotten about.

I look at Momo and think, well, her power is to create objects and pull them out of her skin, so having an open area in front of her makes sense where she can easily grab things. But I really don't know how her breasts are supposed to stay in place. It bugs the crap out of me. Looking at that design, I realize it's not even that big of an "opening" either. I can't remember why she needs that seat on her behind either..

The problem really is that they didn't need to make her outfit that revealing, even with the Quirk she has. Like, her breasts don't need to be that exposed, it's not like she has pulled anything out of that specific part of her body. Same with the short skirt really since she hasn't pulled anything out of her legs either. Being sleeveless and leaving room open for stomach I have less problem with since those seem like more convenient places to create stuff from anyway.

But I'm anime-only as well so maybe not the best to comment on the subject, just wanted to give my two cents.

HypedBeast · Dec 16, 2017

Choppasmith said:
. I can't remember why she needs that seat on her behind either.

It's for the The Yaoyorictionary, the book she uses to know the material of objects.

Derpot · Dec 16, 2017

Choppasmith said:
Wait what? Has this been done in the anime yet? Again, I haven't read the manga.

Yeah I read the scans, I'm talking about this character (Magne):

According to her wiki page (don't check if you want to avoid spoilers btw), she's the second transgender character in the series apparently. I didn't even know that the other character they talk about was transgender too, but I suppose I can say that he got a better treatment than Magne.

Deleted member 5535 · Dec 16, 2017

Choppasmith said:
I only watch the anime, so I don't know if it was done in the Manga but there's a segment on scandalous superhero costumes where they show one of the hero teachers, Midnight, with a "wearing barely anything" outfit which led to regulations being passed. But it's quickly forgotten about.

I look at Momo and think, well, her power is to create objects and pull them out of her skin, so having an open area in front of her makes sense where she can easily grab things. But I really don't know how her breasts are supposed to stay in place. It bugs the crap out of me. Looking at that design, I realize it's not even that big of an "opening" either. I can't remember why she needs that seat on her behind either.

Wait what? Has this been done in the anime yet? Again, I haven't read the manga.

Oh man, I remember being a little curious about hentai years ago. Came across an H manga that started showing two women wearing business suits with, surprise, huge knockers several times larger than their heads with lines indicating where the nipples and areolas were trying to bulge out of the shirt/jacket. It was so damn absurd I didn't know whether to laugh or get mad. I just couldn't help but think, "people get turned on by... THIS?!" But I've come across guys, usually online, who have this "the bigger the better" attitude toward breasts. It's terrible.

The designs of the super hero costumes of Boku no Hero are really bad, including this, jesus.

Choppasmith · Dec 16, 2017

HypedBeast said:
It's for the The Yaoyorictionary, the book she uses to know the material of objects.

Oh right, thanks.

HypedBeast · Dec 16, 2017

CSSD said:
The designs of the super hero costumes of Boku no Hero are really bad, including this, jesus.

I can definitely see that, but I kind of dig the busy hero designs overall (they are reminiscent of Megaman Battle Network).

They at least have some charm in comparison to most modern superhero comics.

Cream · Dec 16, 2017

psychowave said:
No, you're totally right here. It's like when men say they wouldn't mind being catcalled by women constantly. The difference lies in the fact that most men are physically stronger than most women, which completely changes the context. I'm very weak physically and catcalling is terrifying to me because I know that if any man wanted to attack me, there's nothing I could do about it. And this is true for the majority of women. Men just don't get it.

I'm ALSO positive that if some weird flip happened in an instant, and the power dynamic completely changed so that all the things men were doing to women, women now did to men, men wouldn't be able to handle it at all.

psychowave · Dec 16, 2017

Cream said:
I'm ALSO positive that if some weird flip happened in an instant, and the power dynamic completely changed so that all the things men were doing to women, women now did to men, men wouldn't be able to handle it at all.

Of course. Women have had to deal with this shit since the beginning of society. We've had our mothers, grandmothers and older sisters to teach us how to handle men and get away from them in uncomfortable situations, how to coddle their egos as much as possible to avoid retaliation, how to navigate the world avoiding their violence as much as possible.

It's never so easy as "well I wouldn't mind if women wanted to touch my ass LOL"

Alkaiser · Dec 16, 2017

RM8 said:
I live in Japan, I have Japanese relatives, and I speak Japanese (and I have talked about this with Japanese friends). Women dress extremely conservatively here and cleavage is particularly not okay (short pants/skirts are common, though). It is true that you can go to 7 Eleven and see porny magazines, but they are that, porny magazines. Heck, watch Japanese TV as opposed of otaku-pandering games. Where are the "fanservicey" outfits? Nowhere to be seen, that's where, because Japan =/= pornography =/= otaku media.

All of the above is spot on. I lived in Japan for over half a decade (I lived in central Roppongi for some of it), worked for a Japanese company, speak the language, and have Japanese relatives. Anyone here trying to paint Japan as being different from what the poster I'm quoting described is dead wrong.

DerpHause · Dec 16, 2017

Twig said:
Ya ever heard of exceptions that prove the rule

How many exceptions do you need to question if a work is following the rule?

Xaszatm · Dec 16, 2017

psychowave said:
Of course. Women have had to deal with this shit since the beginning of society. We've had our mothers, grandmothers and older sisters to teach us how to handle men and get away from them in uncomfortable situations, how to coddle their egos as much as possible to avoid retaliation, how to navigate the world avoiding their violence as much as possible.

It's never so easy as "well I wouldn't mind if women wanted to touch my ass LOL"

Yeah, it's kind of pathetic, really. It's amazing how poorly men act to rejection, or even the idea that people think differently from others. As an asexual, the most eye-rolling thing I have heard was "well, maybe you haven't had sex with the right person yet". And I suppose you're the special one, huh? And I'm a guy. The horror stories you hear about men who are convinced they are God's gift to women are enough to make one throw up.

Deleted member 35077 · Dec 16, 2017

psychowave said:
so these magazines are instilling unrealistic ideas of girl's bodies on kids and teenage boys. good shit

Possibly, compare to the west Japan in general has looser standards to what they can show to kids, in both fanservice and violence. Attack of Titan is shonen, so is Death Note and Fist of the North Star.

Recently, Shonen Jump stir some controversy with the publishing of Yūna of Yuragi Manor. NSFW.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/in...over-sexual-depictions-in-shonen-jump/.118693

Xaszatm · Dec 16, 2017

Castile said:
Possibly, compare to the west Japan in general has looser standards to what they can show to kids, in both fanservice and violence. Attack of Titan is shonen, so is Death Note and Fist of the North Star.

Recently, Shonen Jump stir some controversy with the publishing of Yūna of Yuragi Manor. NSFW.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/in...over-sexual-depictions-in-shonen-jump/.118693

1. Dear god, that illustration was disgusting, especially for young children.
2. I am not surprised by the disgusting comments in the comments section. *sigh*

Cream · Dec 16, 2017

psychowave said:
Of course. Women have had to deal with this shit since the beginning of society. We've had our mothers, grandmothers and older sisters to teach us how to handle men and get away from them in uncomfortable situations, how to coddle their egos as much as possible to avoid retaliation, how to navigate the world avoiding their violence as much as possible.

It's never so easy as "well I wouldn't mind if women wanted to touch my ass LOL"

if everything flipped, it would be mass hysteria, but for real lol

Similarly, there might very well be a good chunk of women unequipped to handle the power and privilege hoisted on them.

Derpot · Dec 16, 2017

Castile said:
Possibly, compare to the west Japan in general has looser standards to what they can show to kids, in both fanservice and violence. Attack of Titan is shonen, so is Death Note and Fist of the North Star.

Recently, Shonen Jump stir some controversy with the publishing of Yūna of Yuragi Manor. NSFW.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/in...over-sexual-depictions-in-shonen-jump/.118693

Lawyer Yoshitaka Miura said that the Yuragi-sō no Yūna-san illustrations are merely cases of "lucky sukebe" (lucky pervert), and "It's unreasonable to say that 'lucky sukebe' are depictions of sexual harassment and sexual violence." The term refers to fan-service scenarios in anime and manga where characters accidentally touch a female character's breast or see underwear, for example. The lawyer explained that the ghost character Yūna's abilities are what cause the characters in the illustrations to lose their bathing suits, so the image is a case of "lucky sukebe."

Oh, so this is what this kind of "joke" is called.
This is so not funny and overused in anime, I hate it.

a harmless rabbit · Dec 16, 2017

Derpot said:
Oh, so this is what this kind of "joke" is called.
This is so not funny and overused in anime, I hate it.

Yeah, it was born of a transition from an era of protagonists that were active and deliberate harassers played for laughs, because authors still wanted to be just as skeevy but also wanted to absolve the protagonists of any moral responsibility for engaging in deliberate sexual assault. "Well he didn't mean it so it's totally okay that I wrote and drew it, right?"

It's preeeeeetty absurd.

Xaszatm · Dec 16, 2017

Derpot said:
Oh, so this is what this kind of "joke" is called.
This is so not funny and overused in anime, I hate it.

Yeah, it's horrifying to be honest. The very idea that some people dream of this disturbs me greatly. Like, these people dream of sexually harassing people without getting caught. What kind of sick fantasies are they thinking?

Deleted member 32561 · Dec 16, 2017

Is it that hard to depict consensual situations if you're going to have pervy situations at all?
Of course, I forget, otaku love their waifus to be 'pure' but still somehow sexualized and available for their/the protagonist's pleasure. Gwuh...

atomsk eater · Dec 16, 2017

Mewshuji said:
Is it that hard to depict consensual situations if you're going to have pervy situations at all?
Of course, I forget, otaku love their waifus to be 'pure' but still somehow sexualized and available for their/the protagonist's pleasure. Gwuh...

This definitely bugs me a lot about many fanservice situations, and often the "you just don't like sex!" arguments when people are talking about what's wrong with many depictions. Female characters are often embarrassed or outright yelling out "Yamete!" or being perved on without their knowledge. Like, they totally could depict these situations with a willing other party but then the characters would be "bad/impure" for liking sex. I like sex and sexuality but I don't like that the default is so often "women don't like this so you pretty much have to get your peeping and touching done w/o their consent."

The "lucky sukebe" thing is something I didn't know had a term but it makes sense with how common the trope is. Bleh. :p

Morrigan · Dec 16, 2017

The whole "you're a prude" argument has always rang 100% false. I have never been against depictions of sex, sexuality, or nudity. I would have wanted Nilin to have a boyfriend to kiss in Remember Me, it's the dudes playing her who were the prudes by not wanting that (because eww kissing dudes). The excessively rare times that you'd have a sex scene in a game that wasn't pathetically juvenile, I had no problem with it (like in Wolfenstein).

Say. Can you imagine a game like The Witcher 3 but from a straight female perspective, where you play a horny woman who constantly has one-night stands with hot dudes in the game in-between adventuring and questing? With a "female gaze" camera lingering on their sexy abs, butt, etc.? xD I wonder if we'll ever see that in a mainstream, AAA game. There'd be riots, probably.

psychowave · Dec 16, 2017

I just don't understand how a woman who's willing to show you her body is less sexy than one that doesn't want anything to do with you, but I guess that's why I'm a lesbian and not a straight dude ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

TyrantGuardian · Dec 16, 2017

Morrigan said:
Say. Can you imagine a game like The Witcher 3 but from a straight female perspective, where you play a horny woman who constantly has one-night stands with hot dudes in the game in-between adventuring and questing? With a "female gaze" camera lingering on their sexy abs, butt, etc.? xD I wonder if we'll ever see that in a mainstream, AAA game. There'd be riots, probably.

I would play the shit out of that.

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