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Which game do you find holds the most replayability?

  • Demon's Souls

    Votes: 36 11.6%
  • Dark Souls

    Votes: 105 33.8%
  • Dark Souls II

    Votes: 44 14.1%
  • Dark Souls III

    Votes: 93 29.9%
  • Bloodborne

    Votes: 95 30.5%
  • Sekiro

    Votes: 17 5.5%

  • Total voters
    311

Jombie

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I've been doing a low level DS1, not really SL1, but I started as Pyromancer (SL1) with base health and only leveled up a few points here and there (SL15) - an extra attunement slot, 12 FTH to use Heal when co-oping, 15 INT so I can buy spells from Logan (even if I can't use them!) and 1 or 2 in STR or DEX so I can use a bow I think.

Any way, I made it to Artorias in NG+ and I was stuck on him for quite a while (a few days in fact), but decided to go with an RTSR set up and killed him on the second try which I was pretty jazzed about. With stat-free pyromancy I think DS1 is the only game you really get powerful enough at low level to not make boss fights a never-ending slog.

DS1 bosses are probably the most fair at SL1. The only reason DS2 is tough at low level is because of adaptability, and the RNG in 3 can be extremely annoying.
 

Luap

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Question: I killed all the Old Ones so now I'm at Drangleic Castle. Is this a good time to backtrack and go do the DLC content?

Also, I joined the Rat covenant at Doors of Pharros and it was so much fun summoning people after activating all the traps. Unfortunately not many people play DS2 these days so I only got about 5 summons (and from the same 2 people). It really made me wish I had been playing DS2 in its heyday.
 

Morrigan

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Question: I killed all the Old Ones so now I'm at Drangleic Castle. Is this a good time to backtrack and go do the DLC content?
Eh, not really. The DLCs are end-game content, and Drangleic isn't quite end-game yet (yep the game is massive). I say, by the time you're ready to uh, return to a specific place in Drangleic (you'll know what I mean), that's a good time for the DLCs.
 

EasyMode

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Oct 25, 2017
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So I'm playing Bloodborne for the first time and I've been really enjoying it until this latest encounter...

I'm in the Nightmare Frontier and these Frenzy-inflicting brain enemies are destroying me. I haven't had any luck sneaking up on them, one mistake and I'm dead.

I'm level 70+ with a Hunter Axe +9.

Edit: Just after I posted that, I was able to sneak up and land a charged R2 to kill it.
 
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So I'm playing Bloodborne for the first time and I've been really enjoying it until this latest encounter...

I'm in the Nightmare Frontier and these Frenzy-inflicting brain enemies are destroying me. I haven't had any luck sneaking up on them, one mistake and I'm dead.

I'm level 70+ with a Hunter Axe +9.

Edit: Just after I posted that, I was able to sneak up and land a charged R2 to kill it.
don't forget there is some gear with resist as well.
 

Morrigan

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Oct 24, 2017
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And don't forget to take drugs if all else fails!

Please don't quote this out of context okay
 

EasyMode

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don't forget there is some gear with resist as well.
You're right, I have a few pieces of armor with better frenzy resistance.
The more insight you have, the quicker the frenzy bar fills, so it's a good idea to spend it all before doing that part.
I have 60 insight at the moment, so I guess that made things worse.
And don't forget to take drugs if all else fails!
Understood. Will visit the dispensary.

Luckily, I was able to beat Amygdala on my first try.

Thanks all!
 

Luap

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Oct 26, 2017
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If I were to express the Dark Souls experience in a gif, it would be this:

No dragon ahead

Eh, not really. The DLCs are end-game content, and Drangleic isn't quite end-game yet (yep the game is massive). I say, by the time you're ready to uh, return to a specific place in Drangleic (you'll know what I mean), that's a good time for the DLCs.

Ok thanks!

I made my way through the castle and to Shrine of Amana, stopping at the (extremely creepy) boss. Shrine of Amana is definitely the prettiest area of the game yet.
 
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Pendas

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Oct 28, 2017
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So I'm playing Bloodborne for the first time and I've been really enjoying it until this latest encounter...

I'm in the Nightmare Frontier and these Frenzy-inflicting brain enemies are destroying me. I haven't had any luck sneaking up on them, one mistake and I'm dead.

I'm level 70+ with a Hunter Axe +9.

Edit: Just after I posted that, I was able to sneak up and land a charged R2 to kill it.

This is your mistake right there. Here's how you deal with them.

1. Use the Frenzy Resist +200 Rune,.

2. Run into them and attack non-stop, don't even hesitate, just 100-0 them in a single combo with 2 handed stance. They stunlock easy.

3, Use a Sedative, I keep 10 on me at all times.

That's it. Doing this, I've never once died to them.
 
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EasyMode

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is your mistake right there. Here's how you deal with them.

1. Use the Frenzy Resist +200 Rune,.

2. Run into them and attack non-stop, don't even hesitate, just 100-0 them in a single combo with 2 handed stance. They stunlock easy.

3, Use a Sedative, I keep 10 on me at all times.

That's it. Doing this, I've never once died to them.

Yeah, that rune + selling all of my insight gives me enough time to rush them down and pop a sedative before the frenzy takes effect.
 

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Also, I joined the Rat covenant at Doors of Pharros and it was so much fun summoning people after activating all the traps. Unfortunately not many people play DS2 these days so I only got about 5 summons (and from the same 2 people). It really made me wish I had been playing DS2 in its heyday.
This section of DS2 had a PvP emphasis on using environmental hazards that I wish DS3 had expanded upon. There were actually a lot of cool things that didn't make the transition from DS2 to DS3, which is unfortunate, though I do still much prefer DS3 overall.

(Other than the DS2 DLC, which on average I might consider better than the average DS3 content, though that's cherry-picking to an extent.)
 

gosublime

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Oct 25, 2017
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So I'm playing Bloodborne for the first time and I've been really enjoying it until this latest encounter...

I'm in the Nightmare Frontier and these Frenzy-inflicting brain enemies are destroying me. I haven't had any luck sneaking up on them, one mistake and I'm dead.

I'm level 70+ with a Hunter Axe +9.

Edit: Just after I posted that, I was able to sneak up and land a charged R2 to kill it.

They can also be parried...

 

ArmsofSleep

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Oct 27, 2017
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Beat Tower Knight last night in Demon's Souls.

Surprised by how rusty I am still. Once I figured out the ankle/head thing he went down hard, but I had so many problems just getting through the enemies leading to him. The archer quartet + 2 knights were wrecking my shit. I'm at SL12 so I just need to get my shit together if I'm going to survive 2-1. Might also go 4-1 because even though I've stayed spoiler free I think the boss soul there can upgrade my club? Might be off base there.
 

Jombie

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I used to be really good at these games, these days I feel like a crotchety old man. I got to O&S and never seemed to have as much trouble as I did this time; it's a reminder of how bullshitty that fight can be. I always enjoy Ornstein's impeccable ability to glide halfway across the boss room and hit me with pinpoint accuracy or being able to attack through Smough's big ass. It's always more annoying to focus on Smough for that reason and the hitbox on super Ornstein's spear thrust is bullshit - I enjoy being vacuumed from behind his fucking legs and into his spear.
 

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I used to be really good at these games, these days I feel like a crotchety old man. I got to O&S and never seemed to have as much trouble as I did this time; it's a reminder of how bullshitty that fight can be. I always enjoy Ornstein's impeccable ability to glide halfway across the boss room and hit me with pinpoint accuracy or being able to attack through Smough's big ass. It's always more annoying to focus on Smough for that reason and the hitbox on super Ornstein's spear thrust is bullshit - I enjoy being vacuumed from behind his fucking legs and into his spear.
The "fun train" where Smough puts his hammer down on the ground and charges at you still haunts my dreams. The fight definitely can have a lot of RNG reliance, for that reason I've never particularly been a fan of it (or any boss fight where there's multiple enemies, really, except Ivory King which was just badass).

O&S on my very first ever SL1 took me 16 hours to beat, which was literally half of the run's playtime. That is the exact fight where I "got gud" at these games.
 

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Yea no shield, no magic, no summons SL1, It was far beyond my skill level at the time and I suffered for it. You can only imagine the satisfaction when they went down though. The only comparable thing was Four Kings later in that same run, I beat them in a couple tries, but wow my hands were literally shaking after the fight, I had to put the controller down and compose myself by taking a quick walk lol.

I strongly recommend base level runs to anyone who hasn't tried it yet. For DS3, DS1, and BB, I consider it the definitive way to play the game, though you do have to sacrifice access to some of the cooler weapons (especially the Pizza Cutter from BB, which is my favorite weapon in a video game).
 

Luap

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DS2 progress: The Looking Glass Knight boss fight was certainly a unique experience; probably one of my favorites so far. I summoned Benhart of Jugo to help me and he got absolutely destroyed lol. Shrine of Amana was pretty. Undead Crypt was not, and holy hell those rooms with the goddamn bells were a bitch. Grave Warden Agdayne was cool though, and I like wearing his armor when I'm going for a lightweight set. I'm now in Aldia's Keep. This place is treacherous!
 

J-Rod

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Never could git gud enough beating O&S solo. Always had to summon. That fight almost turned me off of the game completely.
 

Luap

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Confession:
I almost always summon for boss fights. It's not that I'm (that) bad - I soloed every boss in my 2nd playthrough of DS3 - I just think it's actually more fun playing with others (I usually summon 1 sunbro and 1 NPC). I also really enjoy returning the favor; probably a good 1/4th of my DS3 playtime was spent as a phantom helping other people out. \[T]/
 

ElephantShell

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The only time I've summoned in Souls is the Rom fight in the chalice dungeons of Bloodborne. For some reason the arena made that so difficult for me.
 

Squid Lord

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I finally finished Bloodborne over the weekend for the first time and I just started Dark Souls 3 because I'm not ready to leave a Souls game quite yet. :)

Any tips for a DS3 beginner using the Knight class? I'm going for a quality build, leveling up str and dex equally with some vigor and endurance in between. Are there any weapons and armors that I should look to acquire early on that can last me a good while? Or is it like Bloodborne where you can use pretty much any weapon and just upgrade them? I also read the starting Knight armor should last me a good while. Is that true?
 

Morrigan

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Yep knight armour is pretty good. As for weapons, well, quality builds opens you to almost anything you want, really. You get a Refined gem early on to make your weapons scale with both, so make good use of it. What kind of weapon do you want? Something slow and powerful, quick and fast, something with range or not, in-between...?
 

Chopchop

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The "fun train" where Smough puts his hammer down on the ground and charges at you still haunts my dreams. The fight definitely can have a lot of RNG reliance, for that reason I've never particularly been a fan of it (or any boss fight where there's multiple enemies, really, except Ivory King which was just badass).

O&S on my very first ever SL1 took me 16 hours to beat, which was literally half of the run's playtime. That is the exact fight where I "got gud" at these games.
My bane during O&S SL1 was that one move where Ornstein flies forward really quickly and smacks you. He kept flying in out of nowhere and oneshotting me with it, even when I watching for it. And sometimes he'd fly around unexpected places or along weird angles because I had trouble predicting his pathing.

Took me hours to beat, but it was strangely addictive. After a while I went "okay, last attempt" and then kept doing more "last attempts" for a good 3ish hours before I finally got them.

I think my hardest SL1 boss was Manus. That guy just wrecked my shit, and it didn't help that I kept fumbling the damn charm in my inventory. I didn't know you could roll his spells.
 

Squid Lord

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Yep knight armour is pretty good. As for weapons, well, quality builds opens you to almost anything you want, really. You get a Refined gem early on to make your weapons scale with both, so make good use of it. What kind of weapon do you want? Something slow and powerful, quick and fast, something with range or not, in-between...?

I like quick and fast but with some range. That first NPC shadow hunter next to the hub was using a katana I think. Looked pretty awesome. I haven't beat him yet. The game is already kicking my ass and I'm not even at the hub yet. :(

Thanks for the tip on the Refined gem! I do want to be able to switch between heavier str and quicker dex weapons for different enemy encounters.
 
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Luap

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I like quick and fast but with some range. That first NPC shadow hunter next to the hub was using a katana I think. Looked pretty awesome. I haven't beat him yet. The game is already kicking my ass and I'm not even at the hub yet. :(

Straight swords are so good in DS3. I used lots of other weapons of course, but in a pinch I always went back to my trusty straight swords. As a Knight you start with the Longsword, which is an excellent weapon that can last you the entire game if you want. The Lothric Knight Sword has slightly more range and power, but costs more stamina to swing. The Dark Sword used to be among the most annoying PvP weapons in the game, but it was nerfed so it's no longer all that. Later in the game you'll get the Gotthard Twinswords, which is one of my favorite weapons in the game. The rolling attack - a fast two-pronged thrust - is extremely good and often used in PvP.

Curved swords and katanas are also good. The Carthus Curved Sword used to be the meta weapon in the game for high-tier PvP, but it got nerfed. Now apparently the Pontiff Knight Curved Sword is better. Either of them will serve you well in PvE. The NPC (Sword Master) outside of the hub drops the Uchigatana, which is indeed an excellent weapon. Later in the game you'll get the Onikiri and Ubadachi, which is by far my favorite katana.

Edit - here's videos showing what the Dark Sword/Carthus Curved Sword meta used to look like:



 
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Squid Lord

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Thanks for the info, Luap! I will be on the lookout for those weapons during my playthrough.

I'm really enjoying how somewhat similar DS3 feels to Bloodborne. I haven't played a Souls game since Demon, which I sadly gave up on too soon.
 

xenocide

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From what I've read, armor isn't that huge of a deal in DS3. You basically end up in tiers where there's super heavy, heavy (knight armor), medium (chain mail), light (leather), super light (cloth and rags). Within those tiers there are a few that are better than others, but the difference between 80 physical resist and 85, isn't that massive. So as long as you stay within a tier, you can adapt based on environment (a set with good bleed resist in an area with a lot of enemies that do bleed damage is smart) and generally what you like the look of. I just roll with the Fallen Knight set because it's slightly better than the default Knight armor, and looks 10x cooler.
 

Luap

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Fallen Knight set is cool until you read the description and find out the pants have piss stains. I ain't putting on no soiled pants, no sir.
 

Luap

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LOL really? Never noticed haha. Fuck me, that set is forever ruined.

"Trousers of an order of fallen knights.

Held beneath leather boots and drab cloth using a knot of rope and bandage, they are dampened and indelibly stained with the misery of flight."


no_way_gesture.gif
 

Pascal

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Fallen Knight set is cool until you read the description and find out the pants have piss stains. I ain't putting on no soiled pants, no sir.
Exactly my feelings lol. I loved rocking the Fallen Knight set until I had the whole piss thing pointed out to me. Couldn't take my guy seriously wearing it after that. From can be so cruel sometimes lol.

"So you're telling me that I've been running around in piss-soaked trousers this whole time? Goddammit..."
 
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Jombie

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Oct 27, 2017
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Armor doesn't matter at all, especially in pve. For quality builds, I like to have a heavy hitter and a straight sword or axe as a backup. You can get the astora greatsword early on and it does impressive damage and has a great moveset
 

ReCross

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hey SoulsERA!

Just started my very first run of DS3, quite enjoying the thrall axe as it gives me Bloodborne like mobility. Also, there seems to be a butt load of boss weapons I can transpose....but the most important question is which one is the most fun to use? I'm also currently using the wolf knight GS, the R2 skill is fun as fuck to use.
 

BLLYjoe25

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i just started DS3 again. a bit rusty but doing well.

first thing i levelled up was Vigor but then did Dexterity to 14 so i could use the bow to kill the dragon as I wanted the claymore. was fat rolling with the claymore so put up Vitality by 2 points and 1 point to Endurance. I can use the claymore but need more stamina. I'll just focus on Vigor, Endurance, Strength, Dexterity depending on what weapon I use and what it scales with.

I'm only really replaying it because i stupidly deleted my old save and now I want to play the expansions so yeah I need to go all the way through the game again. It's the shortest Souls game for me and I seem to be getting through much quicker now so hopefully won't take as long.
 

Luap

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DS2 progress: Made my way through Dragon Aerie and Dragon Shrine, and now I'm going through the memories of the ancients.

Royal Sorcerer Navlaan is the most annoying NPC invader ever. He's fucked me over several times, spawning while I was fighting tough enemies (and was clearly designed with that in mind). Killing him is very satisfying.

Speaking of annoying invasions - 9 out of 10 invaders in DS2 use thrusting swords, which have absolute bullshit phantom range. Really not fun.

I figured out that great hammers (I use the Dragon Tooth) are excellent for killing crystal lizards. The running attack and strong attack are both overhead smashing blows, which always connect. Was getting so tired of whiffing attacks with my spears/swords/katanas/axes.
 

Squid Lord

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Guys, maybe I should have asked this before starting the game but I chose the Life Ring. Was that a bad choice? I'm not far along, so should I start over with a different starting item?
 

gosublime

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Guys, maybe I should have asked this before starting the game but I chose the Life Ring. Was that a bad choice? I'm not far along, so should I start over with a different starting item?

Good choice I think - health can always be useful. I went with the Fire Gem just so I could start upgrading weapons but there isn't an obvious best choice to start with.
 

Luap

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Oct 26, 2017
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Please tell me you don't have to get all the rings in order to get The Dark Soul achievement. Considering these 2 rings exist:

Illusory Ring of a Conqueror - Clear the game without dying
Illusory Ring of the Exalted - Clear the game without resting at a bonfire

No fucking way I'm going to pull that off lmao.

Holy shit you're fast. Getting to where you are took me months (admittedly I went with a no-shield build)

Lol well I'm going hard af right now because I'm a tax accountant so 1 month from now I'm going to be entering the black hole known as tax season. I'm 57 hours in, but yeah I'm going at a faster pace than I did in DS3. That's mainly because there was more multiplayer activity in DS3 (because I played at launch), so I did a ton of jolly co-op and invading.
 

Red Liquorice

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IIRC there isn't a ring trophy in DS2, but the no death/no bonfire run is really fun combined in to one. The rewards aren't all that, but I like that they exist as an incentive to do the run itself. The little bit of strategy in deciding which bonfires to light (and make as your base of sorts) was really fun.
 

Van Bur3n

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Oct 27, 2017
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After completing my DS1 faith great club playthrough, I attempted to play DS2 again to sort of recreate the character there and do me a playthrough. And I just can't do it. I haven't played DS2 since DS3's launch and going back to it now I'm just put off. The stupid beginning cutscene and the firekeepers, the hideous visuals and ugly animations, terrible modeling of some armor and characters. Then I think of the rest of the game I have to play and it's not bringing me fun thoughts. After having played DS3 and Bloodborne and going back to play DS1 multiple times, I'm just not liking DS2 in comparison. I would like to attribute it to Souls fatigue but I'm still craving playing more. Hell, I just started up DS3 and I'm playing it fine.

It sucks. I think DS2 to be the weakest of the games but not a bad game by any means. I'm always one to defend it against the hatred it gets because I still think its a good game. But damn, I just can't play it now when I have so other Souls games that I just better to play.

Hey SoulsERA!

Just started my very first run of DS3, quite enjoying the thrall axe as it gives me Bloodborne like mobility. Also, there seems to be a butt load of boss weapons I can transpose....but the most important question is which one is the most fun to use? I'm also currently using the wolf knight GS, the R2 skill is fun as fuck to use.

That one is indeed quite fun. I don't know how far in you are so I won't spoil any specific bosses, but there are some very fun and powerful ones later on. One of my favorites is the profaned great sword that has an amazing weapon art that launches enemies in the air and casts flame on the weapon for a period of time. It does an absurd amount of damage, and it's not not the most powerful of the boss weapons (it's up there though).
 

Squid Lord

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Good choice I think - health can always be useful. I went with the Fire Gem just so I could start upgrading weapons but there isn't an obvious best choice to start with.

I was thinking about taking the Fire Gem! But then I found out that wasn't the item that can set your sword on fire. Which one is that by the way?