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Nobody had any idea what was going on until like the end of the season, so you're not alone.
Video from The Roadhouse opening in LA today, from the official TP Instagram. Ending got me good.
http://streamable.com/rll3n
http://streamable.com/rll3n
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Kyle got nominated for a Golden Globe, seems Twin Peaks wasn't recognized in any other category though
I've been thinking about why I liked evil Coop since his character was largely only a physical presence. He is my favorite character. I'm beginning to see him as a living death mask. An idea that is at once candid and perverse. Like Borges map, or multiplying stones or his Aleph. They are errors in thought. Things we can believe in but in them contain a perversion of logic. They are dark but begged to be looked at, to be beheld between cracked fingers in our in our thoughts. They catch us between acceptance and rejection. They are wondrous things.
I keep marveling at Kyle's performance. Like, looking at the cover of the Blu-Ray's, each of his three characters is instantly recognizable from their expressions. Evil Coop is terrifying from the moment we see him because, yeah, there's nothing there. No emotion at all. We're going to dip into the extras tonight and I can't wait to see some of the behind the scenes stuff.
My Blu Ray finally came in after getting delayed several days for whatever reason
Gorgeous packaging. Stoked to dive into bonus features
Gorgeous packaging. Stoked to dive into bonus features
Yeah mine were also delayed. Hopefully that means they are selling well.
I had some weirdness where it shipped on tuesday, arrived at the USPS facility wednesday, then thursday and friday both had generic "your package is on its way" messages. Didn't actually arrive at the local USPS facility until the weekend
I don't know if there was an issue or what, but it was pretty odd
He totally deserves the nomination. Naomi Watts deserved to be recognised too, she was incredible this season. Selfishly I'll be happy with a season 4 than award nominations.
I enjoyed the behind the scenes stuff (although admittedly Beymer's stuff was a bit boring). Two aspects I really wanted to see behind the scenes of - Lynch creating the Bomb FX and filming the acts at The Roadhouse - are sadly absent unfortunately.
I've been thinking about why I liked evil Coop since his character was largely only a physical presence. He is my favorite character. I'm beginning to see him as a living death mask. An idea that is at once candid and perverse. Like Borges map, or multiplying stones or his Aleph. They are errors in thought. Things we can believe in but in them contain a perversion of logic. They are dark but begged to be looked at, to be beheld between cracked fingers in our in our thoughts. They catch us between acceptance and rejection. They are wondrous things.
Mr C was my favourite character too - I think his deadpan comic delivery was really overlooked. "Goodbye my son" "Ray? Are you here? I came to see ya buddy" and of course 'that fucker Ray" were all delivered in a subtle yet hilarious way (to me at least).
"I'm looking for a place. Do you understand a place?"
Yes. It reminded me of Blue Velvet. After Kyle finds the ear and he and Laura Dern are talking and making unintentional severed ear puns. I hear things. Just bits and pieces. By themselves Lynch's jokes are terrible but when he contrasts them with such vile and heinous subject matter they're funny as all heck.
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I can't believe Twin Peaks was only nominated for one award. I hope Kyle gets it, he was incredible. Also wow, Mindhunter didn't get a single nomination.
I'm used to this. Hannibal for all three seasons got only one emmy nomination (not sure about the globes). I expect similar will happen with the Emmys.
I've seen Twin Peaks show up in plenty of Critic"'s year-end list though. The only show doing better so far is The Leftovers.
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/critics-pick-the-top-10-best-tv-shows-of-2017
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/critics-pick-the-top-10-best-tv-shows-of-2017
I still haven't seen this past season yet to be honest, and really I haven't seen much tv this year outside of Twin Peaks. I did a rewatch of the original series right before The Return started airing and since then the show has occupied my mind to the point that I haven't watched anything else outside of movies. I'm on episode 10 of the new Blu-Ray and I'm hoping once I finish I can finally put the series to bed for a little while. That is if I don't get sucked in to reading any more analysis or something similar. 2017 has been a pretty shit year overall but Twin Peaks has served as the ultimate form of escapism for me.
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Yeah I'm not sure what this year would have been like without twin peaks to help me get through it.
"One time Andy was even thinking that the clock had stopped, and then we realized that we didn't even know what time it was. It seemed like forever."
This fucking show.
This fucking show.
Just got my blu ray set of the "LIMITED EVENT SERIES". Looking forward to watching the special features. Also this box art is incredible
We watched the 'A week in twin peaks' extra last night. There's at least one tiny nugget of Lynch related insight I don't think we'd other wise have gotten.
Cooper's perception of time in the lodge has been that it was basically 'no time at all' between when he last saw Deputy Andy. That's the direction Lynch gave Kyle for that scene where he runs into the police station. I hope to get many more nuggets in the other onset extras.
Cooper's perception of time in the lodge has been that it was basically 'no time at all' between when he last saw Deputy Andy. That's the direction Lynch gave Kyle for that scene where he runs into the police station. I hope to get many more nuggets in the other onset extras.
I need one more episode from Twin Peaks Rewatch about The Final Dossier. I know that Jake is reading it.
TP was never getting the rub from most of award ceremonies. It's a show that's beyond that sort of trivialities as much as I'd love to see it being awarded a Golden Globe.
Does anybody else absolutely hate the end of Final Dossier as much as me?
I hate it a lot. I actually feel like it's tainted my enjoyment of the final parts.
I hate it a lot. I actually feel like it's tainted my enjoyment of the final parts.
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Can you expand on this? I felt that The Final Dossier was fairly innocuous.
The ending is fairly inoffensive compared to what that hack did with Annie and every other female character.
If you're bothered by the time travel aspect, that damage was already done in Part 17. Luckily, that doesn't affect my enjoyment of Part 18 as long as I'm able to keep telling myself that it took place in an entirely different reality.
Yeah, the ending of the Final Dossier didn't really piss me off at all. It basically just confirmed what ep.17/18 already established. I actually liked the touch he added where:
as it adds a bit of ambiguity.
people's memories of what happened to Laura were becoming fuzzy rather than memories of her murder immediately vanishing
I feel like the show left it ambiguous enough that I could rationally state that Cooper failed to change time. The vanishing of Laura, scream and the drapes appearing just felt to me like he had failed to do what he wanted to do, despite some of the scenes we'd seen. My read of episode 17 and 18 was cooper trying and failing repeatedly to save Laura. Then frost is like, yo he did it and people just magically forgot about Laura!
I hate the idea cooper changed time. It's horrible. It's the worst kind of ending.
It's very Cooper to me though, that he changed time like that. Once again he was out of his league dealing with a power he didn't really understand and as a result he lost. He'll rally though and give it another shot. That's why we love him.
I love the ending and think it's right on point with his character.
Edit: Damn, Mark Frost is a hack now? I've got to read those books I guess.
I love the ending and think it's right on point with his character.
Edit: Damn, Mark Frost is a hack now? I've got to read those books I guess.
I've been marathoning all of Season 1, 2, Fire Walk With Me+Missing Pieces, and Season 3 this weekend with some friends.
WOW there was more foreshadowing in Season 2 than I ever realized. This is my first time watching the whole thing together, and there's a lot of things towards the end of Season 2 which I never noticed before. Small things like how Mr. C's speech patterns are already present in Cooper in the Season 2 finale, clues about where the purple ocean place is, about the illness in Season 3, etc.
Very interesting, some of this stuff I figure may already be well known but being my first "complete series" rewatch with Season 3 included, it's quite a ride.
WOW there was more foreshadowing in Season 2 than I ever realized. This is my first time watching the whole thing together, and there's a lot of things towards the end of Season 2 which I never noticed before. Small things like how Mr. C's speech patterns are already present in Cooper in the Season 2 finale, clues about where the purple ocean place is, about the illness in Season 3, etc.
Very interesting, some of this stuff I figure may already be well known but being my first "complete series" rewatch with Season 3 included, it's quite a ride.
I just finished my season 3 rewatch the other day. Of course there is still PLENTY that is lingering in my mind, or things I haven't reconciled yet. I'll be on the lookout for the foreshadowing in my next rewatch of the whole series though, that sounds interesting.
During my viewing I decided to watch a few FWWM scenes just to make sure I was familiar with them with the first being the Jeffries scene. Now, there's a few timeline issues I have with the Judy plot and the Blue Rose guys, mainly dealing with the revelation that they were aware of Judy and working together on the case in addition to what we saw on screen in Season 2. I also realize that I have to let some of that stuff slide by because its really not that important if the timeline matches up completely. However, when Bowie walks into Cole's office and starts screaming about Judy I couldn't help but notice how Cooper reacts. He turns to Cole and says "Gordon!" like he's confused at whats going on, but with the knowledge we learn in Season 3 it looks like instead Cooper was worried about Jeffries spilling the beans too early on Judy. It really amazed me how it can possibly match up.
I agree with you completely about the Cooper (Mr. C) scene post finale. His performance is dead on to what he would do in Season 3, especially with the way he says "It struck me as funny." I also love Lynch's attention to detail regarding the character. When Mr. C is out in the real world his eyes are as black as midnight on a moonless night, but in the Season 2 finale all of the doppelgangers had white eyes. When Mr. C gets put back in the lodge and is being punished by being burnt in the chair, you'll notice that his eyes are white again. It's just a small touch but I loved the continuity.
During my viewing I decided to watch a few FWWM scenes just to make sure I was familiar with them with the first being the Jeffries scene. Now, there's a few timeline issues I have with the Judy plot and the Blue Rose guys, mainly dealing with the revelation that they were aware of Judy and working together on the case in addition to what we saw on screen in Season 2. I also realize that I have to let some of that stuff slide by because its really not that important if the timeline matches up completely. However, when Bowie walks into Cole's office and starts screaming about Judy I couldn't help but notice how Cooper reacts. He turns to Cole and says "Gordon!" like he's confused at whats going on, but with the knowledge we learn in Season 3 it looks like instead Cooper was worried about Jeffries spilling the beans too early on Judy. It really amazed me how it can possibly match up.
I agree with you completely about the Cooper (Mr. C) scene post finale. His performance is dead on to what he would do in Season 3, especially with the way he says "It struck me as funny." I also love Lynch's attention to detail regarding the character. When Mr. C is out in the real world his eyes are as black as midnight on a moonless night, but in the Season 2 finale all of the doppelgangers had white eyes. When Mr. C gets put back in the lodge and is being punished by being burnt in the chair, you'll notice that his eyes are white again. It's just a small touch but I loved the continuity.
Yeah I remarked back on GAF when Season 3 started that Kyle's delivery as the doppelganger is already fully formed in post-finale scenes way back during FWWM. It's incredible how they tapped into that and fleshed it out.
Fire Walk with Me was always very underrated (it's one of the best movies of the 90s) so I'm glad people have re-evaluated it in the light of its importance to The Return.
Just completed my first viewing of the three series.
I first watched series 1-2 a few months ago; and had a blast with The Return in the last few weeks.
I believe it is the best television I've had the pleasure to view for a long time.
I just wanted to gush about how great it was.
I'll get around to FWWM...
kinda annoyed I didn't see it when it was shown at my local cinema.
I first watched series 1-2 a few months ago; and had a blast with The Return in the last few weeks.
I believe it is the best television I've had the pleasure to view for a long time.
I just wanted to gush about how great it was.
I'll get around to FWWM...
kinda annoyed I didn't see it when it was shown at my local cinema.
Oh you absolutely must. If you like The Return you'll like FWWM I don't doubt.
Incidentally I rewatched FWWM last night for probably the 20th time. I love that movie.
Yes people please watch/rewatch FWWM. It is an incredibly beautiful film. Easily my favorite Lynch work too.
Except those two scenes show the doppelganger doing a lousy Cooper impression, which he only does twice on the new show, with different results.
When we saw him in his natural environment and when he was left alone, the character was portrayed as a mischievous weirdo who really enjoyed screwing with people, even without Bob. He already had his own unique body language. All of this was abandoned.
I just love how he runs with his arms stretched out. He could have been such a strange creature. Instead we got a bored mobster.
I noticed that "it struck me as funny" line delivery as well.. So good.
Everyone's weird in the black lodge though, including the doppelgangers. I don't think how they act in there translates directly to the real world.
I like that Cooper in the real world is very animated but in the Black Lodge is extremely subdued and monotone. Whereas the Doppelganger in the Black Lodge is a lunatic, but in the real world is extremely restrained and projects this eerie, calm sense of control no matter what.
But he did still fail to save Laura. It's not like she goes on to live in a great life in Twin Peaks, or wherever, after Coop intervenes; she's transported to a new universe, where she's someone else, living in a shit heap with a corpse rotting on her couch.
He saved Laura from dying, but he didn't save her from being miserable. And I think that still supports the notion that Cooper just can't change the fact that, no matter what, something awful will always happen to Laura Palmer.
But he did still fail to save Laura. It's not like she goes on to live in a great life in Twin Peaks, or wherever, after Coop intervenes; she's transported to a new universe, where she's someone else, living in a shit heap with a corpse rotting on her couch.
He saved Laura from dying, but he didn't save her from being miserable. And I think that still supports the notion that Cooper just can't change the fact that, no matter what, something awful will always happen to Laura Palmer.
