Media Create Sales: Week 49, 2017 (Dec 04 - Dec 10)

silpheed-mcd · Dec 20, 2017

8 weeks: 3D Mario Ranking Sales by Famitsu (no digital)

1- Super Mario Odyssey: 1.055.806
2- Super Mario 3D Land: 1.042.511
3- Super Mario Galaxy 2: 680.395
4- Super Mario Galaxy: 680.165
5- Super Mario 64 DS: 586.253
6- Super Mario Sunshine: 581.765
7- Super Mario 64: 492.908
8- Super Mario 3d World: 485.013

Super Mario 64 (23/06/1996)
week 1: 162.111
week 2: 121.921
week 3: 63.849
week 4: 45.665
week 5: 30.486
week 6: 23.834
week 7: 22.647
week 8: 22.395
total: 492.908

Super Mario Sunshine (19/07/2002)
week 1: 280.610
week 2: 102.576
week 3: 59.975
week 4: 39.562
week 5: 43.921
week 6: 22.794
week 7: 18.588
week 8: 13.739
total: 581.765

Super Mario 64 DS (02/12/2004)
week 1: 120.062
week 2: 52.591
week 3: 68.590
week 4: 125.360
week 5: 103.049
week 6: 63.178
week 7: 27.345
week 8: 26.078
total: 586.253

Super Mario Galaxy (1/11/2007)
week 1: 256.341
week 2: 78.349
week 3: 43.317
week 4: 37.484
week 5: 36.354
week 6: 48.750
week 7: 70.541
week 8: 109.029
total: 680.165

Super Mario Galaxy 2 (27/05/2010)
week 1: 337.569
week 2: 116.153
week 3: 71.803
week 4: 49.304
week 5: 38.461
week 6: 30.470
week 7: 21.122
week 8: 15.513
total: 680.395

Super Mario 3D Land (03/11/2011)
week 1: 344.698
week 2: 87.886
week 3: 52.793
week 4: 57.465
week 5: 69.215
week 6: 101.223
week 7: 128.090
week 8: 201.141
total: 1.042.511

Super Mario 3D World (21/11/2013)
week 1: 106.967
week 2: 39.306
week 3: 39.289
week 4: 60.318
week 5: 92.993
week 6: 71.159
week 7: 60.397
week 8: 14.584
total: 485.013

Super Mario Odyssey (27/10/2017)
week 1: 511.625
week 2: 125.592
week 3: 65.908
week 4: 49.052
week 5: 67.636
week 6: 48.563
week 7: 77.345
week 8: 110.085
total: 1.055.806

Super Mario Odyssey is so impressive, damn!

Zedark · Dec 20, 2017

N00MKRAD said:
They want 14m in ONE YEAR, not in THIS YEAR.

Said year ends on March 3.

No, they want 14 million in the period April 1st 2017 to March 31st 2018, for a lifetime total of 16.7 million from launch until March 31st 2018.

N00MKRAD · Dec 20, 2017

Marukoban said:
14m this year
14m is [...] to March 2018.

???

You just said this year, then you said 2018?

Zedark · Dec 20, 2017

N00MKRAD said:
Xenoblade isn't big? Or Skyrim?

Don't act like people only care about Mario and Zelda.

No, and Skyrim isn't out in Japan yet. XBC2 sold 9k first week. While a good number for the series, it hardly qualifies as big.

Grads · Dec 20, 2017

N00MKRAD said:
Xenoblade isn't big? Or Skyrim?

Don't act like people only care about Mario and Zelda.

He taking about games that can sell a million or more in Japan.

DarkDetective · Dec 20, 2017

Marukoban said:
I won't dispute that Falcom being only on PS4 is a long term obstacle for their financial growth, unless somehow they can be much more efficient and churns out more games at faster rate.
I would just like to make sure the number is put in proper context.
I guess the split is also probably in terms of revenue, so it would be impossible to draw any conclusion from that answer, since income from licensing is much lower than self publishing.

Maybe the only takeaway here is Asia is probably still bigger market than west for Falcom.
With no notable releases the revenue generated from the market can still match those generated from Cold Steel 1 PC, Sky 3rd, Tokyo Xanadu PSV and Ys VIII PS4 and PSV

This is actually asked in the Investors Q&A.
Japan makes up 70% of all sales
Asia 15%
ROTW 15%
Source

Marukoban · Dec 20, 2017

N00MKRAD said:
???

You just said this year, then you said 2018?

When I said this year it refers to this financial year.
It's quite clear from the context ...

DarkDetective said:
This is actually asked in the Investors Q&A.
Japan makes up 70% of all sales
Asia 15%
ROTW 15%
Source

Yes, I read that part. Hence why I put explanation as to how I come to that conclusion:

Marukoban said:
Maybe the only takeaway here is Asia is probably still bigger market than west for Falcom.
With no notable releases the revenue generated from the market can still match those generated from Cold Steel 1 PC, Sky 3rd, Tokyo Xanadu PSV and Ys VIII PS4 and PSV

jariw · Dec 20, 2017

N00MKRAD said:
Xenoblade isn't big? Or Skyrim?

Don't act like people only care about Mario and Zelda.

Those titles are really really small in Japan. Xenoblade 2 will sell less than 10% of Splatoon 2 in Japan.

Ryng™ · Dec 20, 2017

Chris1964 said:
Switch LTD is a big mystery because it depends on how far Nintendo will go with revisions. 20m is the bare minimum for generation leaders.

Software wise it will have no problem to clear 3DS.

Switch will sell on par with 3DS imo.

~25 million lifetime

N00MKRAD · Dec 20, 2017

Marukoban said:
When I said this year it refers to this financial year.
It's quite clear from the context ...

Oh, ok. Nvm then

jariw said:
Those titles are really really small in Japan. Xenoblade 2 will sell less than 10% of Splatoon 2 in Japan.

Grads said:
He taking about games that can sell a million or more in Japan.

Sorry, didn't realize this was about Japan.

Zedark · Dec 20, 2017

N00MKRAD said:
???

You just said this year, then you said 2018?

There is this thing called a fiscal year, which companies use. It runs from April to March, and fiscal year 3017 is April 1st 2017 to March 31st 2018. The launch month is not included in this fiscal year, so it shouldn't be taken into account in the 14 million number.

N00MKRAD said:
Oh, ok. Nvm then

Sorry, didn't realize this was about Japan.

Unless stated otherwise, you can assume that everything in this thread is in reference to Japan.

DarkDetective · Dec 20, 2017

Marukoban said:
When I said this year it refers to this financial year.
It's quite clear from the context ...

Yes, I read that part. Hence why I put explanation as to how I come to that conclusion:

I'm sorry. I read it the wrong way. My bad. :)

Phendrift · Dec 20, 2017

silpheed-mcd said:
8 weeks: 3D Mario Ranking Sales by Famitsu

1- Super Mario Odyssey: 1.055.806
2- Super Mario 3D Land: 1.042.511
3- Super Mario Galaxy 2: 680.395
4- Super Mario Galaxy: 680.165
5- Super Mario 64 DS: 586.253
6- Super Mario Sunshine: 581.765
7- Super Mario 64: 492.908
8- Super Mario 3d World: 485.013

Super Mario 64 (23/06/1996)
week 1: 162.111
week 2: 121.921
week 3: 63.849
week 4: 45.665
week 5: 30.486
week 6: 23.834
week 7: 22.647
week 8: 22.395
total: 492.908

Super Mario Sunshine (19/07/2002)
week 1: 280.610
week 2: 102.576
week 3: 59.975
week 4: 39.562
week 5: 43.921
week 6: 22.794
week 7: 18.588
week 8: 13.739
total: 581.765

Super Mario 64 DS (02/12/2004)
week 1: 120.062
week 2: 52.591
week 3: 68.590
week 4: 125.360
week 5: 103.049
week 6: 63.178
week 7: 27.345
week 8: 26.078
total: 586.253

Super Mario Galaxy (1/11/2007)
week 1: 256.341
week 2: 78.349
week 3: 43.317
week 4: 37.484
week 5: 36.354
week 6: 48.750
week 7: 70.541
week 8: 109.029
total: 680.165

Super Mario Galaxy 2 (27/05/2010)
week 1: 337.569
week 2: 116.153
week 3: 71.803
week 4: 49.304
week 5: 38.461
week 6: 30.470
week 7: 21.122
week 8: 15.513
total: 680.395

Super Mario 3D Land (03/11/2011)
week 1: 344.698
week 2: 87.886
week 3: 52.793
week 4: 57.465
week 5: 69.215
week 6: 101.223
week 7: 128.090
week 8: 201.141
total: 1.042.511

Super Mario 3D World (21/11/2013)
week 1: 106.967
week 2: 39.306
week 3: 39.289
week 4: 60.318
week 5: 92.993
week 6: 71.159
week 7: 60.397
week 8: 14.584
total: 485.013

Super Mario Odyssey (27/10/2017)
week 1: 511.625
week 2: 125.592
week 3: 65.908
week 4: 49.052
week 5: 67.636
week 6: 48.563
week 7: 77.345
week 8: 110.085
total: 1.055.806

Oh wow. 3D World sales were abysmal.

Odyssey's already over doubled it

skullwaker · Dec 20, 2017

Is it possible for the Switch to match 3DS in the number of million sellers? It seems like the market has contracted quite a bit in this regard.

Pooroomoo · Dec 20, 2017

skullwaker said:
Is it possible for the Switch to match 3DS in the number of million sellers? It seems like the market has contracted quite a bit in this regard.

What gives you that impression?

Marukoban · Dec 20, 2017

Pooroomoo said:
What gives you that impression?

Aggregated software sales in Japan this year is most likely down vs 2016, and has been on downward trajectory for years.

silpheed-mcd · Dec 20, 2017

Super Mario Odyssey is a monster, incredible.

DarkDetective · Dec 20, 2017

skullwaker said:
Is it possible for the Switch to match 3DS in the number of million sellers? It seems like the market has contracted quite a bit in this regard.

I don't think Nintendo's first-party series have lost much terrain. Third-party franchises will be a different story tho. Bandai Namco and Square Enix have changed their strategies last gen. The 3DS got a lot of relatively cheap games (especially anime games from BNE), but such games usually go to mobile now, while consoles get less, but higher-profile games. If we're talking about million sellers in Japan, I think that's a milestone that only a handful of games can reach. In terms of worldwide sales, it's a matter of support, just like PS4. Dragon Ball Xenoverse is a good example. It was a higher-profile title than any of the Dragon Ball games for 3DS, it didn't come anywhere near 1M in Japan, but sold multiple million units in the west.

skullwaker · Dec 20, 2017

Pooroomoo said:
What gives you that impression?

Just looking at the charts the past couple years. Million sellers aren't as common as they used to be.

In terms of Switch, I can't think of anything not published by Nintendo that could be a million seller in the next couple years barring any surprises (which of course are possible). MH is on PS4 right now but they could make a portable entry for the Switch at some point. DQXI is coming but I don't expect that to hit 1m on the Switch, and I don't know if any remakes or spinoffs could do it. Yokai Watch isn't as popular as it used to be, so that's another wild card. Those were the main tentpoles on the 3DS.

DarkDetective said:
I don't think Nintendo's first-party series have lost much terrain. Third-party franchises will be a different story tho. Bandai Namco and Square Enix have changed their strategies last gen. The 3DS got a lot of relatively cheap games (especially anime games from BNE), but such games usually go to mobile now, while consoles get less, but higher-profile games. If we're talking about million sellers in Japan, I think that's a milestone that only a handful of games can reach. In terms of worldwide sales, it's a matter of support, just like PS4. Dragon Ball Xenoverse is a good example. It was a higher-profile title than any of the Dragon Ball games for 3DS, it didn't come anywhere near 1M in Japan, but sold multiple million units in the west.

Oh, I'm definitely just referring to Japan. I don't have any doubt that the Switch will have more million sellers than the 3DS worldwide, since it seems to be a much more healthy platform in the west and many games seem to be finding success on it.

Pooroomoo · Dec 20, 2017

Marukoban said:
Aggregated software sales in Japan this year is most likely down vs 2016, and has been on downward trajectory for years.

skullwaker said:
Just looking at the charts the past couple years. Million sellers aren't as common as they used to be.

I think part of it is the age of the 3DS, and another part is the running down into the ground of some franchises such as Yokai. I actually believe Switch will end up with either the same number or more million sellers than 3DS.

DarkDetective · Dec 20, 2017

For third-party games in Japan, I'm afraid we have to say that 500k is the new 1M...

Marukoban · Dec 20, 2017

silpheed-mcd said:
Super Mario Odyssey is a beast, incredible.

Fixed this for you :p

Aostia82 · Dec 20, 2017

Pooroomoo said:
I think part of it is the age of the 3DS, and another part is the running down into the ground of some franchises such as Yokai. I actually believe Switch will end up with either the same number or more million sellers than 3DS.

The difference in terms of third party support will put the switch below the 3ds in numbers of million sellers

Dq and MH and yokai watch will not see that many million sellers on the switch as on the 3ds

Sammy Samusu · Dec 20, 2017

Today I saw pre-order cases for Doom and Skyrim at Tsutaya. They looked good but they were at the bottom of the shelf, so I moved them to the top cause I felt that they needed more visibility.

Ryng™ · Dec 20, 2017

Marukoban said:
Fixed this for you :p

personally, monster to me seem even scarier than beast.

cw_sasuke · Dec 20, 2017

Sammy Samusu said:
Today I saw pre-order cases for Doom and Skyrim at Tsutaya. They looked good but they were at the bottom of the shelf, so I moved them to the top cause I felt that they needed more visibility.

Good guy Sammy.

FreedomFighter · Dec 20, 2017

Sammy Samusu said:
Today I saw pre-order cases for Doom and Skyrim at Tsutaya. They looked good but they were at the bottom of the shelf, so I moved them to the top cause I felt that they needed more visibility.

I used to do stuff like this too.

silpheed-mcd · Dec 20, 2017

GIANTS FIGHT! DAT FIGHT!

SMO vs SPLATOON 2! 8 weeks by Famitsu

Ikaruga · Dec 20, 2017

silpheed-mcd said:
8 weeks: 3D Mario Ranking Sales by Famitsu (no digital)

1- Super Mario Odyssey: 1.055.806
2- Super Mario 3D Land: 1.042.511
3- Super Mario Galaxy 2: 680.395
4- Super Mario Galaxy: 680.165
5- Super Mario 64 DS: 586.253
6- Super Mario Sunshine: 581.765
7- Super Mario 64: 492.908
8- Super Mario 3d World: 485.013

Super Mario 64 (23/06/1996)
week 1: 162.111
week 2: 121.921
week 3: 63.849
week 4: 45.665
week 5: 30.486
week 6: 23.834
week 7: 22.647
week 8: 22.395
total: 492.908

Super Mario Sunshine (19/07/2002)
week 1: 280.610
week 2: 102.576
week 3: 59.975
week 4: 39.562
week 5: 43.921
week 6: 22.794
week 7: 18.588
week 8: 13.739
total: 581.765

Super Mario 64 DS (02/12/2004)
week 1: 120.062
week 2: 52.591
week 3: 68.590
week 4: 125.360
week 5: 103.049
week 6: 63.178
week 7: 27.345
week 8: 26.078
total: 586.253

Super Mario Galaxy (1/11/2007)
week 1: 256.341
week 2: 78.349
week 3: 43.317
week 4: 37.484
week 5: 36.354
week 6: 48.750
week 7: 70.541
week 8: 109.029
total: 680.165

Super Mario Galaxy 2 (27/05/2010)
week 1: 337.569
week 2: 116.153
week 3: 71.803
week 4: 49.304
week 5: 38.461
week 6: 30.470
week 7: 21.122
week 8: 15.513
total: 680.395

Super Mario 3D Land (03/11/2011)
week 1: 344.698
week 2: 87.886
week 3: 52.793
week 4: 57.465
week 5: 69.215
week 6: 101.223
week 7: 128.090
week 8: 201.141
total: 1.042.511

Super Mario 3D World (21/11/2013)
week 1: 106.967
week 2: 39.306
week 3: 39.289
week 4: 60.318
week 5: 92.993
week 6: 71.159
week 7: 60.397
week 8: 14.584
total: 485.013

Super Mario Odyssey (27/10/2017)
week 1: 511.625
week 2: 125.592
week 3: 65.908
week 4: 49.052
week 5: 67.636
week 6: 48.563
week 7: 77.345
week 8: 110.085
total: 1.055.806

Super Mario Odyssey is so impressive, damn!

And they said Nintendo was dead, consoles were dead in Japan and 3D Marios won't sell well.

Deleted member 2791 · Dec 20, 2017

That's 230k for Famitsu though, I wonder it will be low again on MC.

ghostship · Dec 20, 2017

Ikaruga said:
And they said Nintendo was dead, consoles were dead in Japan and 3D Marios won't sell well.

I'd suggest the situation is likely that consoles aren't dead in Japan provided they also work as handhelds, which doesn't really make it a triumph for consoles.

Ikaruga · Dec 20, 2017

ghostship said:
I'd suggest the situation is likely that consoles aren't dead in Japan provided they also work as handhelds, which doesn't really make it a triumph for consoles.

Yeah, true. I can live with a triumph for Nintendo then, putting undercover consoles in the hands of the Japanese people, what an evil plan!

Mory Dunz · Dec 20, 2017

Ryng Manuel Tolu said:
Switch will sell on par with 3DS imo.

~25 million lifetime

I don't think the switch will go as long without a replacement.

Grads · Dec 20, 2017

Sammy Samusu said:
Today I saw pre-order cases for Doom and Skyrim at Tsutaya. They looked good but they were at the bottom of the shelf, so I moved them to the top cause I felt that they needed more visibility.

We will know who to thank if these do well in Japan.

DeuceGamer · Dec 20, 2017

Wow, incredible results for both Switch HW and Mario Odyssey. Look forward to see the rest of the numbers and hope other software gets a significant bump as well.

Mr Swine · Dec 20, 2017

LordKano said:
That's 230k for Famitsu though, I wonder it will be low again on MC.

Probably 198-209k in MC. And very good for Mario if it manages to do 110k in this week :)

Chris1964 · Dec 20, 2017

Chris1964 said:
Nintendo has left the system without a big title since October, it has high price comparing to previous Nintendo systems and still sells out. I don't think some realize what Switch has achieved in Japan.

N00MKRAD said:
Xenoblade isn't big? Or Skyrim?

Don't act like people only care about Mario and Zelda.

N00MKRAD said:
Sorry, didn't realize this was about Japan.

Even if you want to talk worldwide a half decade old port and Xenoblade 2 are small for holiday releases.

v_iHuGi · Dec 20, 2017

Mario beasting, congratulations Nintendo you deserve all the success, amazing console with stellar games.

Herb Alpert · Dec 20, 2017

Sammy Samusu said:
Today I saw pre-order cases for Doom and Skyrim at Tsutaya. They looked good but they were at the bottom of the shelf, so I moved them to the top cause I felt that they needed more visibility.

That's our Sammy, the true video game shop guerillero :)

Deleted member 2791 · Dec 20, 2017

While we're waiting for the numbers, here is duckroll's sensei, Kawazu-sama talking about the Switch and Romancing SaGa :
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/sag...ke-the-future-of-the-nintendo-switch-and-more

Given your legacy of portable game development, has it been exciting for you to watch the Nintendo Switch gain momentum in Japan and abroad? Do you think the Switch will have a major impact on game development (and especially RPGs) in the future?

I think it'll largely change depending on whether the Switch will officially be positioned as the 3DS successor or not. If that does happen, I believe many games will be developed upon narrowing their target platform to Switch. Regardless of the game being an RPG or not, if many players end up experiencing their first game on the Switch, I believe there will be a large, long-term impact. If games allowing players to pass time for free, and games players pay to enjoy are able to split their roles and coexist, I feel like it'll become a great environment for game creators.

Eolz · Dec 20, 2017

Thanks for your village report Vinnk!
Also, lol Sammy.

Oregano · Dec 20, 2017

LordKano said:
While we're waiting for the numbers, here is duckroll's sensei, Kawazu-sama talking about the Switch and Romancing SaGa :
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/sag...ke-the-future-of-the-nintendo-switch-and-more

That's a really disappointing answer to be honest. It would have kinda made sense this time last year(or earlier this year) but Switch is a runaway success in Japan and game developers are still hesitating about it?

ILikeFeet · Dec 20, 2017

N00MKRAD said:
Xenoblade isn't big? Or Skyrim?

Don't act like people only care about Mario and Zelda.

No, Xenoblade isn't big.

Marukoban · Dec 20, 2017

LordKano said:
While we're waiting for the numbers, here is duckroll's sensei, Kawazu-sama talking about the Switch and Romancing SaGa :
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/sag...ke-the-future-of-the-nintendo-switch-and-more

I really like some of his answers in the interview.

Romancing SaGa II is an interesting entry in the SaGa series because it places special emphasis on its story. What made you decide to make SaGa II more story-heavy than its predecessors? Will you be doing anything to "update" the story to match storytelling in more modern games? For example, will you be including additional dialogue, more cutscenes, and so on?

Kawazu: In Japan, it's said that Romancing SaGa 2 places more emphasis on the game system and Romancing SaGa 1 and 3 place a special emphasis on the story, so this question is unexpected. In Japan, stories are generally evaluated based on how much a player is able to delve into the characters on an emotional level, so that may be the reason for the sentiment described above. I feel as though stories are presented in a quite excessive manner in modern games, so I don't feel the need to add anything.

Modern games do place excessive emphasis on story to the point of sacrificing gameplay element.
This is especially true for RPG, especially AAA. I'm glad he stick to his guns even though it might have resulted in smaller potential audience.

Herb Alpert · Dec 20, 2017

LordKano said:
While we're waiting for the numbers, here is duckroll's sensei, Kawazu-sama talking about the Switch and Romancing SaGa :
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/sag...ke-the-future-of-the-nintendo-switch-and-more

So they witness huge numbers but they still are "but is it a home console or a handheld ?"... Strange answer

Ryng™ · Dec 20, 2017

Mr Swine said:
Probably 198-209k in MC. And very good for Mario if it manages to do 110k in this week :)

only because last week numbers are lower on Media Create doesn't mean this will be the case here.

I expect Media Create numbers this week to be about the same as Famitsu, if not even better.

silpheed-mcd · Dec 20, 2017

Ryng Manuel Tolu said:
only because last week numbers are lower on Media Create doesn't mean this will be the case here.

Right, 2017 (Nov 20 - Nov 26)
Switch
M-C: 145.200
FAM: 133.746

Revolsin · Dec 20, 2017

LordKano said:
That's 230k for Famitsu though, I wonder it will be low again on MC.

The opposite should be true based on previous MC/Famitsu patterns. If one's lower, it tends to re-adjust higher next week.

Pokémon · Dec 20, 2017

Herb Alpert said:
So they witness huge numbers but they still are "but is it a home console or a handheld ?"... Strange answer

Weird answer but it perfectly sums up what a lot of 3rd parties are thinking about the Switch. They see the success, they see the numbers but they have no idea how to capitalise on that.

DrWong · Dec 20, 2017

pld said:
Weird answer but it perfectly sums up what a lot of 3rd parties are thinking about the Switch. They see the success, they see the numbers but they have no idea how to capitalise on that.

It's probably a deflection response at this stage, for companies that don't plan to go there, or don't have the resources to commit/announce stuff at the time. Because there's no need of economic science to figure out how to make money on the system. Throw something decent with some kind of ip relevance and it'll sell.

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