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Lulu

Saw the truth behind the copied door
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
26,680
Haven't seen review whining like this in awhile.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Tell me of one game(non-mobile) that sold as much as PUBG did as quickly as it did, in the last 20 years. Calling PUBG a never-before seen phenomenon or paradigm shift isn't a stretch.

I was talking about the other half of the message where everyone who disagrees with it being 10/10 are salty negative people.
 

nasirum

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Oct 25, 2017
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Again why are you so bitter?

Not the person you quoted, but I agree with him. Game is technically unfinished and still a bit of a mess on PC (and arguably unplayable on Xbox One).

Not about being bitter, it's about what I'd like to be able to expect as a videogame consumer. And I'd like to be able to expect optimized, finished games when I purchase them.

PUBG is fun, but it's not a perfect game. It's also not a great sign of things to come regarding "early access" and general multiplayer only titles.
 

Slayven

Never read a comic in his life
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
93,043
PUBG is one of the hot topics lately. It invites all sorts of discussion some valid, some not. Keep it civil and leave your console war power armor at the door.
 

Cabbagehead

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,019
Fallout 4 didn't get many from my memory. Skyrim definitely got more.

But trying to compare a game like Skyrim and a game like PUBG is a bit ridiculous. PUBG is an extremely focused and narrow game while Skyrim is an incredibly broad and expansive game. And just stating a sentiment like "Buggy games still get high scores!" is ignoring any semblance of nuance to how those bugs/performance issues/animation issues actually affect the game.

That's a good point.
 

kaospilot

Member
Oct 25, 2017
697
The user was warned for this post. Don't bring up another user's baggage from other forums.
Oh yeah, it's cabbagehead! Constantly goes out of their way to slag off PUBG for being early access but loves star citizen lol it was boring on the old forum and it's boring now.

Glad it got a 10, the salt is delicious.

Real talk though, best multiplayer game me and my friends have played in years.
 

Chamaeleonx

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,348
So on your scale, basically a 10 is unachievable, since we are talking about an art form, and one that relies on tech that is constantly becoming out-of-date to boot. It's impossible to produce a game with "no mistakes" because tech will never be perfect, and the experience is subjective anyway.

Fair enough, but surely you can understand why it's highly illogical for any publication to avoid using a 10/10 altogether? Imagine browsing a magazine rack in 1997 and seeing a bunch of "9/10s". Does that really mean more to someone than a 10/10? I personally don't think so; in this case you're just shifting the scale to the left instead of to the right.

I support a 10/10 meaning "This game delivered an experience that was above and beyond expectations relative to other experiences available at the time."

If you are waiting for a game with zero graphical issues, that is fun for every second of the experience, every single time, and which caps off your session by giving you a 20 minute orgasm, well, keep waiting for that game I guess.

The review and the game are a snapshot in the river of time. It is natural that tech advances and you always have to evaluate older games in their release time to understand why they were score the way they did. Still, you can achieve a close to perfect state in all aspects of a game during the time of release. It doesn't matter if tech advances as the time goes on. For the time of release it was the best of perfection you could achieve. Even if later games look better that does not detract from the earlier state.
You would not see a mountain of 9/10, rather maybe 1 10/10, a few 9/10 and more 8/10 + 7/10.
How are zero graphical issues so difficult? I understand smaller, difficult to find bugs that tank performance but glaring issues that you notice each time you play should be something you fix and get docked points for. There can be downtime in "fun" as well to promote the fun ahead in a sequence.

No it doesn't. Not in the slightest.

It means the reviewer considers it in the top tier of games they played.

But I want reviewers to be objective and not subjectively say they like a certain game. Them using their subjective view does not help me to decide if the game is worth buying.

So if a game blew you away like no other game has and actually ends up giving you a new perspective on life due to its greatness, but there's a spelling error in the pause menu. Is that game not 10/10?
Probably. But I might be able to dismiss a few spelling mistakes, even though it looks careless. If you make spelling mistakes in other forms of tests they will reduce your points too as it is easy to fix in most cases.

Literally no reviewer worth their salt scores games like that. Or anything else.

Nothing is perfect. Nothing. If you treat 10 as perfect why even have a 10. The scale would be 1-9.

I want a perfect score to be rare. My expectation would be that if 10 is really rare the 9 is more important thus the 8 as well. You get fewer 10 titles, a lot gather at 9 and 8 as well as the other scores. It all lowers itself a bit while highlighting the true masterpieces that deserve the praise.
Maybe I am looking to much for perfection, but I find it difficult to dismiss things that you can fix. =/

Critical reviews aren't an objective test lol. When will they learn

I want them to be as objective as possible. Make a subjective and objective section if you want too. Mixing your personal views carelessly in an objective assessment of a product will taint it in my opinion. I am not against the reviewers subjective experience, how much fun they had, etc. . But they should have high standards for other aspects of a game like technical details.

Does not mean I consider this game bad by the way. I hope people understand this, I just expect more if a game gets a 10/10.
 

Goronmon

Member
Nov 9, 2017
639
You have to look at this game as the whole package. What is it being sold to you for? A solo/co-op battle royale game. Nothing more, nothing less.
In my opinion, more focused games should mean higher expectations should be placed on the stuff that is there. A game like Super Meat Boy better have solid performance, great controls and very limited bugs. Where as a game like Skyrim I can forgive more performance issues and bugs because the scale of the game is so much larger.

I just don't buy the idea that because the game is smaller in scale, we should somehow be more forgiving of faults.
 

BernardoOne

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Oct 25, 2017
10,289
Not the person you quoted, but I agree with him. Game is technically unfinished and still a bit of a mess on PC (and arguably unplayable on Xbox One).

Not about being bitter, it's about what I'd like to be able to expect as a videogame consumer. And I'd like to be able to expect optimized, finished games when I purchase them.

PUBG is fun, but it's not a perfect game. It's also not a great sign of things to come regarding "early access" and general multiplayer only titles.
1.0 is both optimized and finished, the game had a ridiculously good update development and was never abandoned. I wish all early access games were like this.
 

345

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Oct 30, 2017
7,357
Ah, you're right. Financed for $750k in 2014. My bad.

ie "bought ads".

i have bad news for you about whatever game site you consider more credible.
People asked me this before and of the top of my head I can't name any. Even my personal games I would rate higher then any reviewer are not a 10/10. You can always be better. Simply giving a perfect score reduces the whole scale you use to grade games. 10/10 means perfection in everything, gameplay, story, atmosphere, graphic and other technical stuff. You don't get a perfect score in an exam with multiple mistakes.

what about 5/5? what about 3/3?

i'm sure you see the limitation of this position.
 

Dylan

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Oct 28, 2017
3,260
Fallout 4 didn't get many from my memory. Skyrim definitely got more.

But trying to compare a game like Skyrim and a game like PUBG is a bit ridiculous. PUBG is an extremely focused and narrow game while Skyrim is an incredibly broad and expansive game. And just stating a sentiment like "Buggy games still get high scores!" is ignoring any semblance of nuance to how those bugs/performance issues/animation issues actually affect the game.

Skyrim has one player connected to a game running on their hard drive. PUBG has 100 people connected to one server.

Skyrim is also an iteration on a game the company has made multiple times before. It also does little to progress it's own genre.
PUBG for many people changed the way they think about and play games. Just like Dark Souls, it changed the way people think about multiplayer.
The comparison is not only valid, but I would argue that PUBG actually does more things right in terms of design than does Skyrim.
 

Casual

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Oct 27, 2017
1,547
Maybe the best multiplayer game since Counter Strike.

Still wanna see a technically competent dev take a stab at it though.
 

Virtua Saturn

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Oct 27, 2017
1,378
I think this is a deserved 10. I have not had this fun playing multiplayer since Halo 2. I've been texting/IMing friends to see who wants to play PUBG in the evening which is not something I have done in a long time.
 

nasirum

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Oct 25, 2017
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1.0 is both optimized and finished, the game had a ridiculously good update development and was never abandoned. I wish all early access games were like this.

It's not finished. They have two maps and have already advertised a third. Finished (IMO) would be all three advertised maps.

I will give you that with vaulting and the recent optimization tweaks it feels much more like a 1.0 game.
 

Crushed

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Oct 25, 2017
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But I want reviewers to be objective and not subjectively say they like a certain game. Them using their subjective view does not help me to decide if the game is worth buying.
Objective reviews would be completely terrible and meaningless, and would make deciding whether a game is worth buying a thousand times harder.

It's not finished. They have two maps and have already advertised a third. Finished (IMO) would be all three advertised maps.
That's like saying Overwatch wasn't finished until Sombra was released. Multiplayer games regularly release with a roadmap or announced DLC in the future.
 

apstyl

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Oct 25, 2017
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God I cannot believe the attitude this place still has towards subjectivity/objectivity in game reviews. Like, there are still pockets of completely early-00s thinking about this stuff around here. Never fucking changes. Games aren't cars or fridges, they can have jank or technical problems and still provide the most transcendentally new and great experiences worth celebrating as that.

Besides, if you've been following the times Polygon people have personally been having with PUBG this doesn't come as a surprise at all.

This. For real. I remember when GFW Radio was talking about this ages ago. It is embarrassing how we are still back on this bullshit.
 

Cliff Steele

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Oct 28, 2017
4,477
A game that is so bad on a technical level should not get a 10, no matter how good the idea and the general concept behind it is.
 

Lulu

Saw the truth behind the copied door
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
26,680
It just makes you seem like you can't handle other peoples responses is all. It's as immature as asking someone their age.
No I bring it up because review whining was a thing that derailed threads with 100s of pages of arguing that wouldn't go anywhere until mods had to step in.
 

Jobbs

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Oct 25, 2017
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I wouldn't give pubg a 10, but, then again, I wouldn't give botw a 10 either.

You know, botw, the other game that at least around the time of launch had areas with slide show framerates and crippling bugs.

It's their opinion and they're welcome to it. It's definitely a fun game.
 

BernardoOne

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Oct 25, 2017
10,289
It's not finished. They have two maps and have already advertised a third. Finished (IMO) would be all three advertised maps.

I will give you that with vaulting and the recent optimization tweaks it feels much more like a 1.0 game.
If that's what you think it's "unfinished", then never buy a single worthwhile multiplayer game, because by your standards they are all "unfinished" as they constantly get new content.
Yes, they are better imo and I think the creator of PUBGs opinion should bge taken into consideration, since he is the creator of the game.
No, it shouldn't.
 

Cabbagehead

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not the person you quoted, but I agree with him. Game is technically unfinished and still a bit of a mess on PC (and arguably unplayable on Xbox One).

Not about being bitter, it's about what I'd like to be able to expect as a videogame consumer. And I'd like to be able to expect optimized, finished games when I purchase them.

PUBG is fun, but it's not a perfect game. It's also not a great sign of things to come regarding "early access" and general multiplayer only titles.

It gives me the chills.

The future is blink, if these "early access games" are the future of online multiplayer tites. That studios and publishers will now continue to target.

Though, i do want a finished Battle Royale game...hopefully one day.
 

SweetNicole

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Oct 24, 2017
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It's not finished. They have two maps and have already advertised a third. Finished (IMO) would be all three advertised maps.

I will give you that with vaulting and the recent optimization tweaks it feels much more like a 1.0 game.

By your standard a game like World of Wacraft or Overwatch is never finished because they keep adding new content. That's not the reality of GaaS. By that standard, even Zelda BOTW isn't finished because it continues to get new DLC
 

spam musubi

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's not finished. They have two maps and have already advertised a third. Finished (IMO) would be all three advertised maps.

I will give you that with vaulting and the recent optimization tweaks it feels much more like a 1.0 game.

The point of a service game is that it's never finished and there's always content on the horizon.

Which is why drawing lines in the sand about early access is also kind of silly.
 

honest_ry

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Oct 30, 2017
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People angry it got a 10. Jesus Christ folks, get a grip.

It's just the reviewers experience and he can score it how it wants. I can easily see why it would get a 10. The sheer fun and enjoyment.

Fuck, I would give the unfinished, buggy Xbox version an 8 right now just due to the fact I'm enjoying it so much.
 

Mbolibombo

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Oct 29, 2017
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Interesting, I've had fun with this game during the year. It's my most played game of the year. Great fun with friends.. I've grown a bit tired of it though... major bugs, performance issues and the cheating has taken it's tool.

For me, it's probably an 8 or so. Good game, but very flawed.

Will have to see how version 1.0 works for me.
 

Deleted member 9971

User requested account closure
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Oct 27, 2017
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IV was the easily the worst GTA I've ever played. And I think I've played them all except for IV's DLC.
I enjoyed em all except IV it's so different compared to the more "goofy" and "arcade" like GTA's. I did however enjoy the dlc episodes those were quite good i admit.

GTA V, Vice City and San Andreas are my favs in the series.
 

nasirum

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Oct 25, 2017
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By your standard a game like World of Wacraft or Overwatch is never finished because they keep adding new content. That's not the reality of GaaS. By that standard, even Zelda BOTW isn't finished because it continues to get new DLC

I really don't get this argument, but okay. It's like if Overwatch was in beta for a year and had one map, then teased two coming maps, released one, and came out of beta with 2/3 of the advertised maps released.

Whatever, this is obviously a phenomenon that didn't grab me and wasn't made for me, so I'll bow out.