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berryman69

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Dec 3, 2017
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In its current form PUBG on a moderate PC runs better than BOTW did when it came out. I don't know how this can be argued. You can maintain 60+ fps in PUBG. BOTW in some instances turns into a slideshow. You can't argue it.

As for bugs and cheaters, I guess I just don't know what you mean. It crashes every now and then, but it doesn't feel bug riddled by any means. It's fairly stable now. Cheaters exist, and by all accounts they're taking great measures to combat them and ban the cheaters. I'm not sure how you can ding the review score for other people cheating -- Which is going to happen in any massive PC game.
I would never give BOTW a ten, so I wouldn't argue with you. It's also part of the problem with the games media, and explicitly what I am referring to. I played BOTW on Cemu and the game still had tons of problems without even going into its technical side. I barely saw any criticism on it in reviews except for the dissenting opinions from some publications that came out afters its 10/10 main review.
 

Haze

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would never give BOTW a ten, so I wouldn't argue with you. It's also part of the problem with the games media, and explicitly what I am referring to. I played BOTW on Cemu and the game still had tons of problems without even going into its technical side. I barely saw any criticism on it in reviews except for the dissenting opinions from some publications that came out afters its 10/10 main review.

Maybe because BOTW does so many things well that they eclipse its hiccups in performance, much like PUBG.
 

Calderc

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would probably agree that reviews do not matter for this game even one bit. Steam is all mixed and it does not matter.

My main contention is with the corruption of quality reviews and constructive criticism that I have seen in the last ten years of all media. I don't generally enjoy anything with Polygon to be honest, so there is that too I guess.

His review title is basically it's imperfectly perfect. I don't even like his review title. So I'm not going into this ready to agree with the guy, and because this game is kind of a technical piece of mediocrity well it's not going to gain any favors with me for that.

I'm very willing to play the new patch, but how has he played this new patch already for long enough to write an entire review?
You got receipts for this 'corruption'?
 

Crumb

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Oct 25, 2017
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but how has he played this new patch already for long enough to write an entire review?
there have been multiple patches in the past few weeks, and they typically come out every tuesday night. meaning he had a week to play the latest patch which is more than enough time to see the improvements from the base title.
 

berryman69

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Dec 3, 2017
265
Maybe because BOTW does so many things well that they eclipse its hiccups in performance, much like PUBG.

Yeah, I like both games. That has nothing to do with all these lazy 10s that give barely any importance to the flaws. It's all basically flaws don't matter games was super fun. In no way is that constructive criticism. It's a cop out so you can paste that 10/10 and people will flock to your review. 10/10 and obscenely low reviews seem to get a lot of clicks.

By obscenely low I reference Sterling's 7/10 for Zelda for which he received death threats. Real cool. Sets a good precedent for people actually criticizing games.

In this case I am sure the reviewer loves the game. But I still don't agree with the review, and I think that not being critical of technical flaws is a very bad thing in gaming.
 

Haze

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Oct 25, 2017
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Detroit, MI
there have been multiple patches in the past few weeks, and they typically come out every tuesday night. meaning he had a week to play the latest patch which is more than enough time to see the improvements from the base title.

Especially since the test servers are essentially 1.0


Yeah, I like both games. That has nothing to do with all these lazy 10s that give barely any importance to the flaws. It's all basically flaws don't matter games was super fun. In no way is that constructive criticism. It's a cop out so you can paste that 10/10 and people will flock to your review. 10/10 and obscenely low reviews seem to get a lot of clicks.

By obscenely low I reference Sterling's 7/10 for Zelda for which he received death threats. Real cool. Sets a good precedent for people actually criticizing games.

I mean it all comes down to what a 10 means to you. If it's a flawless, perfect game, then of course you aren't going to agree. But obviously this reviewer's concept is different and you could at least concede that based on their perception of it.
 

Spartancarver

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Oct 27, 2017
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Especially since the test servers are essentially 1.0

Test servers have been borderline unplayable due to extreme rubberbanding.

That said, if that's fixed then the game is easily at least a 9+/10, because it is fun as fuck when it works properly. FPS-wise the test servers run like a dream too.
 

Deleted member 896

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, I like both games. That has nothing to do with all these lazy 10s that give barely any importance to the flaws. It's all basically flaws don't matter games was super fun. In no way is that constructive criticism. It's a cop out so you can paste that 10/10 and people will flock to your review. 10/10 and obscenely low reviews seem to get a lot of clicks.

By obscenely low I reference Sterling's 7/10 for Zelda for which he received death threats. Real cool. Sets a good precedent for people actually criticizing games.

I'm not sure I'm reading this right. Are you saying 10/10 reviews make Sterling's 7/10 seem lower than it really is or are you saying 10/10 is obscenely high and 7/10 obscenely low, thus establishing that 8 and 9 are the only scores for Zelda worth considering?
 

Haze

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Oct 25, 2017
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Test servers have been borderline unplayable due to extreme rubberbanding.

That said, if that's fixed then the game is easily at least a 9+/10, because it is fun as fuck when it works properly. FPS-wise the test servers run like a dream too.

I wouldn't say unplayable. The rubber banding only occurs during the first minute or so and isn't every game.
 

Spartancarver

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Oct 27, 2017
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haven't had any rubber banding the past week and i've played about 15 hours, NA servers?

Yeah NA East

I wouldn't say unplayable. The rubber banding only occurs during the first minute or so and isn't every game.

Some servers it's only for the start but I've had plenty where it persisted throughout the game and resulted in a few deaths.

Like I said, as soon as that's fixed the game is an easy recommendation IMO
 

Doskoi Panda

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Oct 27, 2017
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By obscenely low I reference Sterling's 7/10 for Zelda for which he received death threats. Real cool. Sets a good precedent for people actually criticizing games.
I'm just gonna copy and paste another post I made a few days ago:
Shitty people have shitty reactions on the internet when things don't go their way. I don't see anyone ready and willing to generalize No Man's Sky's entire playerbase for the death threats and attacks that Jason Schrier received when reporting its delay. I don't see anyone ready and willing to generalize Uncharted's entire playerbase for the death threats that Kevin VanOrd received over his review of Drake's Deception. I don't see anyone ready and willing to further generalize Uncharted's entire fanbase for the threats and attacks that Michael Thomsen received in the wake of his 4/10 review for Uncharted 4.
 
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1 Map, well 2 when the new map is out is is still limited in maps and modes compared to some games. The cheaper price obviously makes up for it but again, I'm not calling the game out, only the reviews.

Defend the game all you like, I don't care about the game all that much personally but I don't agree with the review scores being so high that's all. If you really think it's a 10/10 game then that's your opinion, mine is it's a 7/10
 

Doskoi Panda

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Oct 27, 2017
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1 Map, well 2 when the new map is out is is still limited in maps and modes compared to some games. The cheaper price obviously makes up for it but again, I'm not calling the game out, only the reviews.

Defend the game all you like, I don't care about the game all that much personally but I don't agree with the review scores being so high that's all. If you really think it's a 10/10 game then that's your opinion, mine is it's a 7/10
"If you really think it's a 7/10 game then that's your opinion, mine it's a 10/10" ~ Chris Plante, Polygon
 

THEVOID

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Oct 27, 2017
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People put way too much into a score. All scores are kind of meaningless. Read the review. Scores are their because people like a scale. Any critic worth anything will tell you read the review and don't judge them by a score.
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think 10s should be used this way at all, and I fully think the full review scale should be used. So I guess that is where different people have different opinions. 10/10 mean to me at least your game is nearly perfect on the technical front. Not crazy imbalances, cheaters, bad or weak tech, performance, et cetera.
The full review scale is used. It's that given limited time, interests, and the general desire to not want to waste time on broken or bad games, reviewed games are essentially a curated selection. The reason most games are rarely 1s, 2s, 3s, 4s, isn't because writers don't use those numbers; it's because writers typically don't play those games. Writers curate what they play based on time, based on recommendations, based on interest, and because most AAA games and most popular games are, at the very least, okay, decent.
 
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Haze

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Oct 25, 2017
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1 Map, well 2 when the new map is out is is still limited in maps and modes compared to some games. The cheaper price obviously makes up for it but again, I'm not calling the game out, only the reviews.

Defend the game all you like, I don't care about the game all that much personally but I don't agree with the review scores being so high that's all. If you really think it's a 10/10 game then that's your opinion, mine is it's a 7/10

You don't think saying it's "just one map" is a bit disingenuous? This isn't a 8v8 Call of Duty map, it's as big as a lot of open world maps.
 

Godzilla24

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Nov 12, 2017
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So now PUBG fans are searching for a way to tell zelda fans that PUBG is superior.

It is so SAD.
People just enjoy the Fucking Games.

Besides this battle was started by PC FANS the day that GIF (the people running to play BOTW) was aired.

In reality PUBG never never NEVER had a single chance to defeat ZELDA.

And 98 always be superior to 88.

PUBG is business.
ZELDA IS ART.
WTF. Is this a parody post?
 

VaporSnake

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Oct 28, 2017
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Test servers have been borderline unplayable due to extreme rubberbanding.
Its most likely because there are no region options on the test server so you're being matched with a pool of everyone worldwide.
Might end up on an EU server when you're in NA. Explains why some matches are completely perfect and others are totally busted.
 
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You don't think saying it's "just one map" is a bit disingenuous? This isn't a 8v8 Call of Duty map, it's as big as a lot of open world maps.

Sure it's a big map, 2 big maps shortly but the technical problems still stop it being more than a 7/10 for me. Like I said, I have no issues with the game itself, I'm not a massive fan like some are but it's ok and if people like it and are having fun with it, good for them but I wouldn't rate a game with technical issues that high personally.
 

Haze

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sure it's a big map, 2 big maps shortly but the technical problems still stop it being more than a 7/10 for me. Like I said, I have no issues with the game itself, I'm not a massive fan like some are but it's ok and if people like it and are having fun with it, good for them but I wouldn't rate a game with technical issues that high personally.

And that's totally fine. My problem is when people in this thread project their own concept of appreciation onto others.
 

BernardoOne

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Oct 25, 2017
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1 Map, well 2 when the new map is out is is still limited in maps and modes compared to some games. The cheaper price obviously makes up for it but again, I'm not calling the game out, only the reviews.

Defend the game all you like, I don't care about the game all that much personally but I don't agree with the review scores being so high that's all. If you really think it's a 10/10 game then that's your opinion, mine is it's a 7/10
Botw also only has one map and one mode. What a terrible game with no content.
 

Haze

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Oct 25, 2017
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Zelda wasn't a 10/10 either for me but it had far more to do in the world.

But it's just getting silly now because you aren't comparing the same genre anymore.

I mean we don't necessarily need to compare the same genre. Esp when Battle Royale is a fledgling genre where all the games only have one map?

The point is the games offer a map large enough and enough to do within the scope of the map to justify only having "one".
 

quincognito

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Oct 25, 2017
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"Content" isn't in the number of polygons stored on the drive, it's the amount of unique gameplay experience you can have. Some of the most popular games of all time have just one map (DOTA, Counter-Strike) because the subtleties and interplay of the other gameplay elements is what produces novelty and excitement.

Defend the game all you like, I don't care about the game all that much personally but I don't agree with the review scores being so high that's all.

You don't care all that much about the game, you just feel affirmatively compelled to get into an argument about how all the reviewers who say they like it are wrongity wrong. 'kay.
 

TesservcT

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Nov 6, 2017
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I played the game just now is the update not out yet (today)? Everything seems the same.
not until 10pm est iirc.

edit:Players, we will be leaving Early Access and launching PC 1.0 on Dec 20 11PM PST. The maintenance on live servers for 1.0 will start Dec 20 6PM PST / Dec 21 3AM CET and last for 5 hours.
 

Sexy Fish

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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Zelda wasn't a 10/10 either for me but it had far more to do in the world.

But it's just getting silly now because you aren't comparing the same genre anymore.

I think having one/soon to be two maps is redundant in case of the genre. If you look at games like CSGO or COD, most games on one map you'll visit each spot of it. Sure tactics may change, but you generally see most of the map.

With PUBG and the use of the plane/circle, your drop and path of movement can change dramatically game by game. Rarely do you go the same drop point to finish point each game. Sure you may have favorite places to land, but where you go from that changes, too. Games can end radically with hillside fights for the win or close quarter combat in cities. It changes it up and keeps the adrenaline pumping. And while I love Counter-Strike, I know what I'm going to get in a match of de_dust2. In PUBG, I have no idea.
 
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"Content" isn't in the number of polygons stored on the drive, it's the amount of unique gameplay experience you can have. Some of the most popular games of all time have just one map (DOTA, Counter-Strike) because the subtleties and interplay of the other gameplay elements is what produces novelty and excitement.



You don't care all that much about the game, you just feel affirmatively compelled to get into an argument about how all the reviewers who say they like it are wrongity wrong. 'kay.

I wasn't compelled to argue with anyone to be fair, some people don't like my opinion of the game, which is fine but they felt the need to defend the game and I will defend my opinion just the same.

I don't get personal with anyone about this stuff, everyone has opinions, that's why we are on here to share them, we don't all have to agree though.
 

Golden_Pigeon

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Oct 25, 2017
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PUBG is actually a fps revolution, it will remain like CS in the history of the genre. Before saying that it's not the first game of this kind, it's the first game to actually make it work, exactly like CS before it.

It totally deserve 10/10. I didn't had so much fun in game online since BF2 or maybe even CS.
 
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You most certainly did. You compared PUBG with games in other genres (I presume Call of Duty, Titanfall etc.), not H1Z1, Fortnite or the original mod.

I said Fortnight by name which is very similar to PUBG, I never mentioned those other game but I didn't compare the games directly as an attack on PUBG, again my point was about review scores, my point being other games get marked down for technical issues, so if games with less problems don't get 10/10 then I don't think PUBG should get a 10 that's all.
 

freakybj

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm trying to remember when I first heard about PUBG. I think it was when I read this article on Rock, Paper, Shotgun. From there I did a little more research on the game and decided to pay the $30 to see if I would like the game myself. When I first started playing the game on solo, I saw the appeal but I wasn't quite hooked yet. It wasn't until my friend also got the game and we started playing duos that I was enthralled by this game and became obsessed with looking for ways to improve. From watching the pros like shroud and TSM on Twitch, to obsessively tweaking my keybinds and mouse sensitivity settings, even playing games like CS GO and Arma 3 for the first time to train my aim, I've tried everything I could to improve my skill level in the game. Even though I've won a few chicken dinners, I'm still nowhere near as good as I want to be.

And that's really why this game is so damn addicting. I've never played a game so nerve wracking before. It's like playing a survival horror shooter game. Because the stakes are so high it's pure ecstasy when you win a fight and complete frustration when you die. After you die there's something inside that will egg you on to play one more match because you can't end a play session on a sour note. And then before you know it...several hours have gone by in a seemingly never ending pursuit to get that ever elusive chicken dinner. I wasn't expecting a game like this when I decided to spend $30 to try it earlier this year.
 

Salty AF

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Oct 30, 2017
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Polygon just lost any and all cred with this review. The game is a solid 8 from what I can see on the PC. On the X1 it's a 5 until they resolve all the issues. Then again, it wasn't like Polygon were exactly spot on with their other reviews. I remember Arthur G. giving Titanfall 2 a 7 which is a complete load of flaming horseshit.
 

Haze

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Oct 25, 2017
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Polygon just lost any and all cred with this review. The game is a solid 8 from what I can see on the PC. On the X1 it's a 5 until they resolve all the issues. Then again, it wasn't like Polygon were exactly spot on with their other reviews. I remember Arthur G. giving Titanfall 2 a 7 which is a complete load of flaming horseshit.

Polygon won't be the last publication to give this game a max score
 

Sexy Fish

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
4,396
Polygon just lost any and all cred with this review. The game is a solid 8 from what I can see on the PC. On the X1 it's a 5 until they resolve all the issues. Then again, it wasn't like Polygon were exactly spot on with their other reviews. I remember Arthur G. giving Titanfall 2 a 7 which is a complete load of flaming horseshit.
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It is a review, it is their opinion. What about that makes them lose credibility?
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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Polygon just lost any and all cred with this review. The game is a solid 8 from what I can see on the PC. On the X1 it's a 5 until they resolve all the issues. Then again, it wasn't like Polygon were exactly spot on with their other reviews. I remember Arthur G. giving Titanfall 2 a 7 which is a complete load of flaming horseshit.
Wasn't it IGN, not Polygon, that gave PUBG on Xbox a 5/10?