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PewDiePie donates $50,000 to the Anti-Defamation League to apologize for Christchurch Shooting, surprises some "fans"
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There is no doubt he should do something valiant with that massive base of his. Dear lord with power comes some sense that you got to do the right thing there. I think he started to by taming down his channel. But we'll see.
personally I give 0 fucks about what he does with his fortune, charity is nice but is a rich person thing to do, while the true issue, the fact that he has become (in)voluntarily a starting point for the alt right pipe line still get completely ignored by himself and his fanbase.
it's not the money, it's the people he is influencing.
I don't follow him or his content. I have no idea why kind of person he actually is.
But I know that in order to have gained 100 millions subscribers his appeal can't have been hatred and bigotry. I can see that seemingly large parts of his audience are the gamergate type people, but they are also a very vocal bunch. And then there is a lot of impressionable teens who don't comprehend whats being discussed and just see that someone they like and enjoy watching is being criticized for something that do not associate with him at all, so they join the outrage.
But I still hope that any human, after they name gets references before someone commits mass murder, starts to reflect on what might have caused this. I know that they first impulse has probably been to go on the defensive, because how could his gaming content possible be connected to such a grotesque act of violence. And I would understand that. But down the line he has to reflect and he has to try to look past all the noise and vanity and think about why these people seem him as an ally.
And if he isn't an ally he can take a stand. Its the simply things that will draw them out. And its not like losing the gamergate crowd and white supremacists as an audience will affect his livelihood in any way. They are a vocal minority.
But as I said, I don't know what kind of person he is. Maybe he doesn't understand whats going enough to act accordingly.
Maybe he is a white supremacist himself.
So to adjust for our different net worth if I shot a dog in the street for the "LoLs" and then donated $5 to the humane society with no apology for what I did just saying "I just want to put this behind me" you would define that as redemption?
That's a dumb argument, whether it's a lot of money to him or not is meaningless: It's about whether it's a lot of money to the recipient.
If Bezos gives me a million dollars I don't just throw it away and go "LOL ITS LIKE HE GAVE ME A PENNY"
If Bezos did that it still wouldnt change the fact that he is a terrible human being that fuck over the planet and his work force.
Monetary donation is literally the least kind of effort for rich people.
The question was about redemption. Especially how much cheaper 50k is to a rich person then paying for lawyers, PR people or losing subscribers and fans.
When you play into your fanbase being toxic you can expect them to be toxic back at you when you do something right.
This is baseless hyperbole. Donating $50k doesn't wash away every single problem someone has. And no-one in this thread (before your post anyway) has been saying anything like he's irredeemable for the rest of his life.
You know what's stupid?
The fact he donated to an organisation that is spewing the same shit that lead to the whole narrative about Islam taking over the west and thus is one of the reasons the terrorist did what he did to the mosque.
Fuck him.
The fact he donated to an organisation that is spewing the same shit that lead to the whole narrative about Islam taking over the west and thus is one of the reasons the terrorist did what he did to the mosque.
Fuck him.
I did not get that impression from the article, but I guess I'm not sure what I'm looking for. I'm a little uncomfortable with the jump from, criticising an NGO, to hating Israel. Am I missing something?
[edit] there's a voice in the back of my head screaming at me to drop this now
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Sometime in the not too distant future..
Known piece of garbage, Notch, donates $100,000 to a random organization. He tries to come up with an apology for his past behavior but less than halfway through it turns into a homophobic rant with a few sentences about how "it's okay to be white."
Cue a bunch of rubes coming out of the woodwork:
"We forgive you king!"
"So I guess ResetEra doesn't believe in forgiveness huh?!?"
"Have you donated $100,000?!? I didn't think so!"
"Notch is just a young 40 year old boy, he didn't know any better until now!"
Known piece of garbage, Notch, donates $100,000 to a random organization. He tries to come up with an apology for his past behavior but less than halfway through it turns into a homophobic rant with a few sentences about how "it's okay to be white."
Cue a bunch of rubes coming out of the woodwork:
"We forgive you king!"
"So I guess ResetEra doesn't believe in forgiveness huh?!?"
"Have you donated $100,000?!? I didn't think so!"
"Notch is just a young 40 year old boy, he didn't know any better until now!"
He's posted apology videos before. Some of them have ended in him throwing accusations at the people who have called him out. He's also silently buried things like his history of liking and following alt-right figures on Twitter. Hopefully this is the start of something and not just a deflection, but we won't be able to tell if that's true until it becomes a pattern of action and more than just a start.
EDIT: Oh right, I should post Pewdiepie's twitter likes while I'm here.
EDIT 2: This also comes to mind:
EDIT: Oh right, I should post Pewdiepie's twitter likes while I'm here.
EDIT 2: This also comes to mind:
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"I wanted to show that I could move on.." " making the donation to "move past" his controversies. "
yeah. OK. OK, I've done some bad stuff, but it's starting to affect my bottom line, so here's some pocket change and please forgive and forget, right? RIGHT?
He's not even saying sorry for crying out loud. He's just saying HE'S going to move on and attempt to wash his hands of any possible wrongdoing regardless of the effects he's had.
That's like punching someone in the the face and then saying "Yeah, well, I forgive myself and I'm moving on. Have fun with your black eye and broken nose! Later!"
Screw this guy.
yeah. OK. OK, I've done some bad stuff, but it's starting to affect my bottom line, so here's some pocket change and please forgive and forget, right? RIGHT?
He's not even saying sorry for crying out loud. He's just saying HE'S going to move on and attempt to wash his hands of any possible wrongdoing regardless of the effects he's had.
That's like punching someone in the the face and then saying "Yeah, well, I forgive myself and I'm moving on. Have fun with your black eye and broken nose! Later!"
Screw this guy.
The only thing dumb here are people celebrating pointless virtue signalling of people who possess enough wealth to change the world for the better and chose not do.
Your insulting assumption about me isn't even worthy of a response, don't ever talk to me again.
#notallgamers amirite?
lmao.
Yeah i had no idea ADL is questionable now. What did they do?
lmao this is too real. Some people here just love the taste of boot.
Not arguing for his side here, but is it possible that the road to bettering yourself is a slow one? I'm not excusing his actions at all, but it seems like his act of making a donation is being construed as some kind of malicious act rather than one that means something. "Actions speak louder than words" is apparently only applicable to people you guys already like. This is a first step. If, in five years, he has done nothing more to promote equality, sure, quote this post and say I was wrong. I'll gladly eat my words. But c'mon, guys. Why is everybody trying to turn this into more hate?
Edit: I wasn't intending to quote a post here. Sorry, Tranqueris.
Edit: I wasn't intending to quote a post here. Sorry, Tranqueris.
So in order to make amends for the Christchurch shooting which killed over 50 Muslims he's donating to an pro-israeli organization, that stans for the IDF everytime they bomb Gaza and strip more land from the West Bank and promote Israeli apartheid?
As a Muslim fuck them both. The ADL more so than PDP, the ADL is an organization that under the guise of fighting bigotry acts as a PR sword and shield for Israel and has caused more harm to us Muslims and Arabs than that shithead youtuber ever could.
As a Muslim fuck them both. The ADL more so than PDP, the ADL is an organization that under the guise of fighting bigotry acts as a PR sword and shield for Israel and has caused more harm to us Muslims and Arabs than that shithead youtuber ever could.
Yeah I dunno here...
He's whining that there were bad articles about him for doing shitty things, so he's donating some of his pocket change to a non-profit to make himself look better. I'm not impressed.
He's whining that there were bad articles about him for doing shitty things, so he's donating some of his pocket change to a non-profit to make himself look better. I'm not impressed.
Being critical of someone with as many repeat offences isn't turning something hateful into more hate, what a terrible take. Dude has been courting white supremacists and helped signal boost white supremacists, happily used racial slurs in his streams, we are not talking about a single incident or two here. Also, he is donating to a shitty organization.
And you've never, once, in your entire life, said something that was offensive? And then a couple of years later felt like that's something you shouldn't say? Why are we acting like it's not possible for someone to grow as a person? Couple that with someone like him who spends almost all of his time in the spotlight. I'm not saying that makes what he said okay, but I am saying that it's entirely possible that he's trying to be better. Instead, you've decided that that's impossible, and that we should take this action and ignore it. Let's only focus on the bad, instead. Yeah, let's keep doing that.
And your point about his chosen organization: There is no scenario in which everyone in the world is happy with the organization he donated to. They have a sketchy history, but I sincerely doubt that he donated to them for the sole purpose of condoning their controversies. I assume he donated to support, you know, their main cause. Fighting anti-semitism. The thing they're known for internationally. But we're glossing over that, apparently.
What PewDiePie has done over the years is absolutely not okay. He's fostered a lot of hate and sent the worst message to a lot of impressionable people. But the road to him bettering himself as a person isn't going to happen instantly, either.
I agree with you, that's what I am saying, you can't forgive a person no matter what, for his wrong doing, that's what I have learned here, all those movie, books, animation movies for kids, that teach forgiveness are all lies.
See, here's what's weird to me with this argument. I totally agree that very few people haven't done this.
But PewDiePie didn't just say one offensive thing. He started his career screaming "he's raping me" into a microphone. He got caught saying the N-word during a stream, went on to say "sometimes I forget that I'm recording" and nod along as his guest says that nobody watching actually cares, then PewDiePie went on to say "what a fucking nibber" several times before the stream was over. He made a bunch of Nazi jokes including paying people to hold up a sign that said "kill all jews". He demonized the media for calling him out. He mocked the Charlottesville riots. He recommended Neo-Nazi channels, plural, to his fans. He had Ben Shapiro as a guest. He followed a bunch of far right political figures on Twitter and liked posts that express views along those lines. He sicced his fans against a fellow streamer after she called him out for calling her a thot (that ho over there), then went on to say it's her fault for being called a thot because she prances around in a short skirt. He defended a Polish politician who said that women are less intelligent than men and told women to stop talking about income inequality.
I don't think that's super common either. Do you think most of the people in this thread have history that compares to that?
He could have just donated and not said anything so let's be honest here. This is a PR move.
Seems like the ppl defending this don't care and/or have no issues with his actions.
Hurr durr
Yes, that's EXACTLY what I said genius. No I never once said redemption wasn't possible. I swear the problem with people nowadays is a severe lack of critical thinking skills..
When you have someone that repeatedly, now pay attention on this one, REPEATEDLEY, over years is caught on camera and on twitter using racial slurs, promoting Nazism, following and promoting alt-right shitheads, cultivating alt-right shitheads and finally reaching the inevitable being a poster child for an alt-right shithead mass shooter that is called an extremely verifiable pattern behavior. And when your "redemption" consists of non-apology videos blaming the mean ol MSM (an alt-right playbook tactic by the way) on spreading lies about you and everyone else being the problem and just jealous of you, well, why am I supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt again? For the 23rd time? 23rd time the charm is it? While he still keeps on cultivating this shithead alt-right toxic group? Nah I'm good on withholding my redemption card.
Redemption is earned, not bought or something entitled to. Put that in your children's book.
Is this the sole issue though? Saying something offensive? Are you even engaging in good faith? Sure, as a dumb teenager I've said some things, but it didn't take me fucking years to recognize the harm and grow out of it. Do I get a medal now? What are you going to ask next? If I've ever donated 0.000001% of my networth to a shitty charity?
I never said that, but there is no evidence that suggests that he has grown. Doing a new non-apology video every now and then isn't a sign of growth. Continuously signal-boosting and buddying it up with white supremacists isn't a sign of growth. Giving 50 "Shut Up Dollars" to a terrible organization "to move on" isn't exactly a sign of growth.
Wow, so spending time in the spotlight makes you a bigot, didn't know that. PewDiePie is clearly the true victim here.
Read through the thread if you're actually interested in educating yourself on the matter, people have provided plenty of information on ADL. Also, 51 muslims were killed in the Christchurch shooting, ADL is an absolutely terrible choice on so many levels.
His actions have and continues to be incredibly harmful to people with my complexion, so I hope that you'll forgive me for taking the "wait and see" approach. I will never understand PewDiePie stans or why some of you are so quick to forgive bigots.
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You're missing my point. I'm not handwaving his actions. Your argument is hinged on me saying he only did "one thing" but I didn't say that. This was but one example. Please actually read my post.
I did read your post, I just think it's horrendously naive in light of the reality of the situation. This isn't the first sign of PewDiePie's turnout. He's apologized before, which is inevitably followed by him doing worse things. He's donated money before, which is inevitable followed by him doing worse things.
Okay, it's entirely possible for PewDiePie to turn over a new leaf. I hope that he does. But one action isn't a pattern of action, and the pattern of action we've seen thus far suggests that this is probably not going to go in that direction.
A funny thing to me is that I actually used to think PewDiePie was a great example of someone who had taken criticism to heart and improved. That was before the N-word and anti-Semitism stuff. He had already been making apology videos before that.
It's also funny to me that we have this quote in this thread
and it's from someone who is asking is to focus on this one act and not the huge pattern of action that we've seen for years up to this one act.
He contributes to the toxic culture and has played an important part in cultivating that audience.
Donating the money is good but changing is behaviour and stopping contributing to the problem would be invaluable. He also says the media had "misinterpreted" his words or whatever. So he is still being toxic since the dude dropped the n-word and the whole "I'm just joking" aspect of his persona is toxic.
It took people dying for him to donate the money but the problem is way bigger than what that money can do.
Donating the money is good but changing is behaviour and stopping contributing to the problem would be invaluable. He also says the media had "misinterpreted" his words or whatever. So he is still being toxic since the dude dropped the n-word and the whole "I'm just joking" aspect of his persona is toxic.
It took people dying for him to donate the money but the problem is way bigger than what that money can do.
I never once stated that I forgave him. Don't put words in my mouth.
As far as his statement goes: I will give you that. What he said was not an apology.
I know about the ADL and I know about their views. Look at it this way. I bet a bunch of people here who are shaming him for his choice of organization have supported the Susan G Komen foundation or the American Red Cross at some point in their lives. Does that make their donations any less meaningful? Arguably. Does their choice of organization make them worse people? In my eyes, definitely not.
Do I think everyone should forgive him? No. Make your own choices, have your own opinions. Do I forgive him? No. I haven't seen enough happen to feel comfortable doing so. Do I think he's taking a step in the right direction? Absolutely. That's my whole argument.
Hey, I'm not using the N word, making videos dressed in Nazi garb or making videos cultivating alt-right shitheads. I'm not inspiring Muslim mosque mass shootings and getting shout outs from shooters. I'm not donating to anti-Muslim organizations AFTER someone who gave me a shout out before mass shooting a mosque. Believe it or not some of us manage to be decent human beings. Stop that classic drag us all into the mud with you tactic.