Max Landis accused of sexual assault
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I've now hopped off the fence. Landis is a victim-blaming, sociopathic sack of shit. I hope the cunt rots in Hell.
The content of his message was said way too soon but he's not really wrong by saying that she chose the dude
The real issue is that he's not even trying to say that people aren't exactly taking decisions from a binary point of view, while he's also being disgusting by not showing any sympathy or comfort at all
Plus he's doing that classic narco way of "here s what I did when it happened to me" like, dude fuck off she doesn't care about YOU right now
Yeah, maybe I'm too cynical but I feel like a lot of the career killing happening so far is more about optics and less about "wow, this person is totally despicable. Of course I won't work with them." Polanksi anyone?
Especially on the producer level. I just can't help but feel like there are plenty of high ranking people that wouldn't hesitate to use Landis if they felt like his skill is needed. As long as they have cover like him going uncredited.
I mean if the Landis stuff is really as much of an open secret as it seems to be, he shouldn't really have been selling so many scripts if people actually cared about what he was like as a person.
I agree, I think they see him as a big star. No idea why though. He couldn't write himself out of a paper bag.
I think it has to do with this thing... what's it called again... on the tip of my tongue... oh right, nepotism.
Infinite punishment for finite crimes?
Is that what we're doing now?
He's the son of a famous director, made a ton of popular videos on Youtube, and has connections. All of his movies but one has sucked and his career is basically over at this point.
Defending him from infinite punishment? Sure
Defending him from the other things in this thread? Not a chance
So what do you consider an appropriate punishment for a serial offender and victim blamer? And what is the point where infinite punishment becomes a viable option? Do you think Bryan Singer deserves infinite punishment for his sex crimes?
Absolutely. You are 100% right. Anyone who thinks most people in Hollywood actually give a shit are deluding themselves. The open secrets existed for a long time and no one did anything until they were completely and irrefutably exposed. Now, that doesn't mean everyone knows everything. And it doesn't mean they're all aware of anything Max Landis has done -- in fact, they probably aren't since his social circle is considerably younger than most of those with actual power. And despite this forum's clear attention to twitter feeds surrounding this guy, I wouldn't be surprised if most remain unaware (and the christmas break, during which the entire industry is completely shut down, will only help to bury the story).
But unless it will cause them public grief and thus potential loss of profits, many studios/executives/producers/agents won't care. Now that isn't to say that there isn't anyone in Hollywood with morals. There absolutely are. And there absolutely are truly good people out there that care if someone working for them has or has not raped/assaulted someone. But as long as it's a secret and their talent can continue to be utilized, it will be. Writers have it the easiest of all since they can just go by a pseudonym or get uncredited work.
It's not just nepotism. Nepotism can open the door for you, even keep getting you jobs if you're a fuck up -- but it can't make you successful. Landis clearly has the drive and skill to churn out saleable screenplays. This is not at all easy and not at all something most writers can do.
I believe it's inherently immoral to give infinite punishment for a finite crime
I guess I'm not convincing anyone. I just see it as hugely important to ask who did he assault?
Oh man, we're getting into the morality of eternal damnation in here. Can't wait to see how this turns out.
What the fuck are you even talking about? What the hell is an "infinite punishment" or a "finite crime"? Nobody is proposing we murder the man. He's a serial harasser and/or rapist and deserves his career be ended. Why beat around the bush with these weird comments?
Nah, I won't be in here much longer, I was just shocked to actually see people advocating for it in here
So, unrelated to this crime, but you're saying a serial child rapist/murderer only deserves a short spell in prison and that's it? Okay.
Someone did say that they wanted Landis to rot in hell. I don't normally take that literally, but Mona did. Here's the kicker: the person who said it didn't say it was just a figure of speech either so I don't know what the fuck. I do expect we'll convert three Christians to atheists, but save five Christmas' by the end.
He's talking about the "burn in hell" comment.
Mona Now is really not the time to take a "I hope they rot in hell" comment literally and picking it apart, you know? Stop this derail.
Going back to the his work situation, while I do believe it's very much possible that he can do uncredited rewrites and other ''smaller'' writing related jobs in the industry, what I meant by career was more on the side of his big credited writing and directing jobs. Going by what I have seen of him he seems very eager and happy to go around to as many studios and people as possible to talk about and show his many ideas for ways to develop new takes on older stuff (Pokémon, Power Rangers, Pepé le pew, American werewolf, etc.) or new stuff that can be potentially the new Star Wars or similar.
Now with all of this happening I don't know how feasible it is for studios to make a multi billion dollar franchise (which is what is he aiming for considering his American Ultra twitter rant) and plaster his name all over the promotional materials without causing controversy, in that sense I doubt we are going to see another Bright where Netflix paid 90+ million for it and he earned something like 3 million just from the script side.
Now with all of this happening I don't know how feasible it is for studios to make a multi billion dollar franchise (which is what is he aiming for considering his American Ultra twitter rant) and plaster his name all over the promotional materials without causing controversy, in that sense I doubt we are going to see another Bright where Netflix paid 90+ million for it and he earned something like 3 million just from the script side.
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Man, the Reddit thread on this is a shitshow. Those people defend him to the death because he uses the site and they think he is just like them or something, it's fucking weird.
Also, how did a mediocre script writer develop such a weird loyal fanatical following thag defend him to the death? It boggles my mind.
Also, how did a mediocre script writer develop such a weird loyal fanatical following thag defend him to the death? It boggles my mind.
Unlike most writers, he made himself very public-facing. I believe it all stems back to his "Death and Return of Superman" and "Wrestling isn't Wrestling" videos. People liked those, his storytelling ability, and personality. It kinda just went off from there. I imagine these same qualities are what help him sell scripts. To be perfectly honest with you, a lot of the most successful writers in the industry talk in a very similar manner as he does... very fast paced and frantic flow of consciousness and sometimes hard to keep up with. But most writers from the "YouTube generation" aren't yet in a successful place like he is partially due to nepotism. So they're not near as front-facing and well known.
I think it's exactly because of the reasons you stated, he always seemed very approachable, a guy that likes the things we like and is happy to talk to you about it. He was in many internet shows and podcasts over the years to talk about many things very excitedly besides the audience he created with his youtube channel thanks to stuff like his Wrestling isn't Wrestling video, so I guess people see him as a friend (a dangerous thing to do in the internet) and that's why some will defend him.
Edit: TDLink put it very nicely. Fully agree with you there.
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Would it be nepotism? His old man is basically a nothing in Hollywood today. I know he has contacts but still...
I think Landis loss will be pretty sad for the industry, because he seemed like a traileblazer, who could potentially make the entire industry better for screenwriters. This job is the lowest position in Hollywood. Most people have zero clue about who writes the movies they watch unless it's director filming his own script. Even such a silly thing as google search for movie. What appears in the right-side bar has director, actors, even music composers, but most of the time no screenwriters, which really tells you all you need to know how little the industry gives a shit about screenwriters.
Landis was a rare case of screenwriter that was recognizable by a lot of people. Aside from him there's also Sorkin and maybe Taylor Sheridan. There might somebody else, but Landis was pretty much the only one for genre movies, which are what gets the most eyeballs.
Landis was a rare case of screenwriter that was recognizable by a lot of people. Aside from him there's also Sorkin and maybe Taylor Sheridan. There might somebody else, but Landis was pretty much the only one for genre movies, which are what gets the most eyeballs.
Damn at those Emily Blake tweets, throwing Lexi under the bus like that. I stopped following her on Twitter a long while ago, she always rubbed me the wrong way for some reason.
Anyway, fuck Landis, both of them. We can bemoan the nature of the internet and all the misery its caused, but it's a double edged sword and cuts both ways thankfully. Good to see ugly truths come to light, and hopefully consequences for horrible actions. Prison seems to evade these fuckers, but I hope people like Spacey are feeling like their whole life has amounted to nothing now. What good is all that wealth if everyone wants to avoid you and treats you like you've got a disease?
Anyway, fuck Landis, both of them. We can bemoan the nature of the internet and all the misery its caused, but it's a double edged sword and cuts both ways thankfully. Good to see ugly truths come to light, and hopefully consequences for horrible actions. Prison seems to evade these fuckers, but I hope people like Spacey are feeling like their whole life has amounted to nothing now. What good is all that wealth if everyone wants to avoid you and treats you like you've got a disease?
The only reason he was recognised by a lot of people was for his ability to shit out bad scripts which turn into box office flops, yet continuing to get work thanks to his connections and nepotism. I mean, genre movies? What? The last movies he wrote were Bright, a bad run-of-the-mill action movie, American Ultra, a messy stoner action-comedy, Mr Right, a bad romantic comedy and Victor Frankenstein, a bad....whatever the fuck that was. All of the mflopled, sometimes hard. There is some leeway you can get for having written Chronicle, but this? If Max Landis last name wasnt Landis and he wasn't such a dishonest self-promoter his name name would mean nothing but "yeah, some guy who tries writing successful mainstream-fluff but without any success". He is not well known for his writing ability, he is known for everything else.
Also, comparing Max Landis to Aaron Sorkin and Taylor Sheridan? I think that's an incredible disservice to those two.
Spacey's life hardly amounted to nothing. His work and the influence it had hasn't been erased
That's true, we can take small solace in him being literally removed from Ridley Scott's film though, which is nicely humiliating. I think his name has been removed from various other things too like scholarships or something. His disgrace will forever be in every biography of him. Legacy is what these fucks care about, what they're remembered for. He'll always be remembered for how he fell to disgrace. A shame he won't see the inside of a cell for abusing others, but that's the shitty world we live in. Wealth and the colour of your skin dictate the level of consequences you suffer.
...somehow I doubt people will care about any of that, in the face of, say, his performance in "The Usual Suspects", 100 years from now
Arguing in bad faith 101. But I can play this, too:
So, unrelated to this crime, but you're saying concentration camps are cool? Okay, that's like, your opinion.
Hey, YOU're the guy with the whole "oh, you don't think pedophiles deserve punishment now - okayy"-schtick.
I don't think you understand. I'm being blasted for saying Landis deserves to rot in Hell. Now you seem to think, by saying that, I'm condoning concentration camps. Y'all got some fucked up logic.
But, hey, I'm done with this. Fuck this topic, there's people actually blasting me for blasting Landis. Welcome to NeoGAF 2.0, folks.
But, hey, I'm done with this. Fuck this topic, there's people actually blasting me for blasting Landis. Welcome to NeoGAF 2.0, folks.
And thousands of years later people think Alexander The Great was a nice guy despite invading several countries with war. Who cares what people in the far future care about? A thousand years later people will think kindly of Hitler thanks to how time seems to desensitise people to events.
Justice is seeing people like Spacey suffer to some degree, and their crimes being acknowledged, not hidden like a dirty secret people whisper about. For the victims, there is a sense of catharsis in seeing their pain acknowledged, in finally being vindicated, that they weren't crazy or lying, they were telling the truth and now people believe them. Justice is people like Spacey, Weinstein and Landis publicly humiliated and treated like pariahs, unable to do what they love for a living. Yeah it's not perfect justice, but it's better than nothing.
What would be nice, though unlikely to happen, is if society can grow some teeth and throw people like them in prison like society would throw non-famous people, or rob them of their wealth. What would undo this justice is if people like Spacey are allowed back into the industry, so that's something to keep an eye on. We all know how Polanski was welcomed back to Hollywood with applause. :|
Sadly there's always a defense force for everything and everyone, no matter how much suffering they caused to other people. I mean, defending Kevin Spacey, really now?
Aint no one blasted you in defense of Landis, it was your language dude. This victim-shield shit ain't cute
I suppose you're right about the catharsis being good in itself. And his victims would be dead too in this hypothetical future, so it doesn't really matter
I think you should take a step back and read your own posts once again. No one was "blasting" you. When you post on a discussion forum there's always the possibility that people have a different opinion than you and try to actually discuss with you.
However, your first reaction was "oh, here comes the Defence force", which you then quickly escalated to "sooo you like pedos now, gotcha!", and now you're in "screw you guys, I'm going home" mode.
This is the very definition of arguing in bad faith, regardless of my opinion of Landis or whomever.
That's what I don't get. Both Spacey and Singer are defined, by the law, as actual pedophiles and yet there are people defending them. God forbid I say a rapist - and yes, they're rapists, children cannot consent - rots in Hell for their crimes.
to be precise, you said you hope landis rots in hell for being a "victim-blaming, sociopathic sack of shit". pretty sure landis is not a pedophile.