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ZeoVGM · Dec 18, 2017

SirMossyBloke said:
So why did they fire him then?

It's also not exactly a secret he's a bad actor.

They fired him because they made the decision to kill his character. Again, he's been on the show for 8 years. You know you're being silly when you imply that they randomly decided, "Oh shit, he's a bad actor, let's fire him!"

Also, don't speak for everyone.

dustyherb · Dec 18, 2017

-Pyromaniac- said:
Speculation on the show based on comics, and why I think Carl had to die, or at least ONE of the reasons:

I always wondered how the show will keep Negan alive. In the comic it's easier to buy things but on the show it would make ZERO sense pre-Carl death to NOT kill off Negan. He has just done too much to these characters and it just wouldn't make sense. Live action is a different ball game and the emotional stakes are way too high to let him live. People speculated that Morgan dying would be the trigger but I feel like even that wouldn't be enough really to change Rick's mind. But Carl dying changes the game. Like Andy Lincoln says, this is the biggest death the show has ever had and possibly will have other than Rick dying (series finale maybe? if at all...) so the impact of this could be lasting and real and I could see it being the thing that changes Rick given the last few convos between him and Carl.

I also think it helps kick the series into a new direction rather than relying on status quo. As long as you keep the Rick/Carl tandem alive, no matter what happens on the show you KNOW they will be fine and it will end with the passing of the torch to Carl and that's the show. But now with Carl out of the equation it kind of forces the show on a different trajectory that I think is pretty interesting. I still expect things to follow the comic for most story beats going forward but this will force them to try new things. I also think it will be one of the propellers of the show's end game. There isn't a character more major you can kill off so what else is there? I think from an overarching plot perspective things will inevitably begin moving forward.

Or the aftermath will be poorly executed and it'll be the exact identical show, just without Carl. And his loss won't be felt outside of the occasional thought by Rick.

I think you're exactly right.

I definitely used to be one of the people who thought Morgan dying would be what changed Rick. But ever since Morgan has been back in full force since Season 6, Rick and him haven't gotten close or really spent much time together at all. Morgan dying wouldn't be enough to really turn Rick into how he is after the timeskip in the comics. But like you said Carl definitely would be enough. Rick listening to what his dying son has to say should definitely be what causes Rick to try to change for the better.

SirMossyBloke · Dec 18, 2017

ZeoVGM said:
They fired him because they made the decision to kill his character. Again, he's been on the show for 8 years. You know you're being silly when you imply that they randomly decided, "Oh shit, he's a bad actor, let's fire him!"

Also, don't speak for everyone.

So you don't know then. They wanted to to fire him so they killed off his character. Unceremoniously as well.

Also, don't speak for everyone? Are you seriously saying he's not a bad actor, I mean come on. I'm not exactly stating a revelation here.

Downhome · Dec 18, 2017

I wish they would reveal the bite was actually from the deer that was being torn apart, just to mess with everyone.

ZeoVGM · Dec 18, 2017

SirMossyBloke said:
So you don't know then.

The actor and producer of the show have given interviews where they both say it was done for story reasons. Gimple thought this was best for the story.

It's really as simple as that, whether it was a good decision or not.

They did not kill him because he was a bad actor, 8 years into the series. You know that's stupid and baselss.

kickz · Dec 18, 2017

Caught on the last two eps, some observations;

-Rick vs Daryl will come to ahead when he finds out he single handily freed the saviors
-Trash people were a waste of time, hope saviors take them out
-This Eugene redemption angle was lame
-Never liked Carl but he went out a hero by saving everyone
-This saviors arc has to be over this spring

VenomousCoffee · Dec 18, 2017

Downhome said:
I wish they would reveal the bite was actually from the deer that was being torn apart, just to mess with everyone.

What if it's that cgi deer, come back for its revenge on the show.

Jave · Dec 18, 2017

If we're coming up with ridiculous theories on how Carl may not be dead, here's mine:

Carl got accidentally swiped by Shiva in the season 7 finale and now he's on the process of developing immunity to walkers due to him now being half-tiger.

dyst · Dec 18, 2017

We've already seen different people react differently to a bite. Some turn in minutes, others days (i think?). Carl could easily last the rest of the season for all we know.

cLOUDo · Dec 18, 2017

I was looking for the rating and damn...

At this rate, how many season you think left?

Sniffynose · Dec 19, 2017

cLOUDo said:
I was looking for the rating and damn...

At this rate, how many season you think left?

2 tops. They drag shit on way too long and all this artsy "feels" camera panning faces for 20 minutes each episode is getting lame. It reminds me of the walking farm drama days. Also these idiots need to all have their guns taken away, my kids have better aiming skills with NERF darts ffs

Darren870 · Dec 19, 2017

I still don't really understand Carls death. In the first episode of this season we see what looks like a flash forward with an older Rick and Judith. In that scene we also see Carl and Michonne. Was there any explanation for that on talking dead?

Deleted member 9486 · Dec 19, 2017

SirMossyBloke said:
So why did they fire him then?

It's also not exactly a secret he's a bad actor.

I still think it's just that he's aged too fast. Common problem with kid actors on long running shows that aren't advancing at a year pers season rate. He already looks way older than Carl does in the comics which are a fair bit ahead of the show timeline.

barit · Dec 19, 2017

Jave said:
If we're coming up with ridiculous theories on how Carl may not be dead, here's mine:

Carl got accidentally swiped by Shiva in the season 7 finale and now he's on the process of developing immunity to walkers due to him now being half-tiger.

Rooaar

Lmao this is a great theory and would fit perfect into the world ;P

Carfo · Dec 19, 2017

dmaul1114 said:
In all honesty I'm suprised Carl lasted this long on the show.

Kid characters are always a pain as they age too fast vs. the amount of time lapse in the show. I'm pretty sure that's what happened with Walt in Lost. They built him up the first season and then realized they'd be fucked with the actor aging after they realized it was a hit and they'd get several seasons.

In any case, I've gotten a bit bored with the comics, so I wouldn't mind seeing the show go in another direction after the all out war arc. I'm pretty easy to please with TV and movies and have enjoyed every season of TWD and Fear TWD so I don't have the reservations others do. I'm pretty good and shutting my brain off and just being mindlessly entertained and escaping from our shitty reality personally.

Regarding lost, Damon Lindelof said as much regarding Walt. They had some idea what they wanted to do with him, but he aged way too fast for what they were going for, so they wrote him to get on a raft and pretty much nixed his character, he had a few minutes worth of scenes in a future season but that was it. Btw, I loved Lost, but they had NO idea where they were going with the show even after the first season.

Deleted member 13101 · Dec 19, 2017

dmaul1114 said:
I still think it's just that he's aged too fast. Common problem with kid actors on long running shows that aren't advancing at a year pers season rate. He already looks way older than Carl does in the comics which are a fair bit ahead of the show timeline.

This isn't a knock on what you're saying, because I get what you mean - but unless he has a medical growth condition, he can't age "too fast". Let's face it, the show moves too slowly now. We spent a good portion of the mid-season finale staring at pairs of eyes.

If there really are two full seasons left, perhaps they should think about doing 10 episodes each, each a straight run.

riotous · Dec 19, 2017

dyst said:
We've already seen different people react differently to a bite. Some turn in minutes, others days (i think?). Carl could easily last the rest of the season for all we know.

Based on interviews it sounds like he'll go out with a bang in the first episode of the 2nd half of the season.

"It serves a good purpose in the story," Riggs said of Carl's incurable injury. "There's still a little more left in Carl's story — in episode nine — and that impacts Rick, Michonne and everyone. Although Carl's story is coming to an end, it's not over yet."

According to Riggs, the decision to kill Carl was handed down by showrunner Scott M. Gimple, who said "the bite is going to play out as we've seen bites play out." Calling the wound a "one-way ticket," Gimple explained there's no way out: Carl will die.

http://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2017/12/17/the-walking-dead-carl-death-fate-change/

kickz · Dec 19, 2017

dyst said:
We've already seen different people react differently to a bite. Some turn in minutes, others days (i think?). Carl could easily last the rest of the season for all we know.

My theory is Rick goes nuts and keeps zombie Carl chained up hoping for a cure.

Molto · Dec 19, 2017

Darren870 said:
I still don't really understand Carls death. In the first episode of this season we see what looks like a flash forward with an older Rick and Judith. In that scene we also see Carl and Michonne. Was there any explanation for that on talking dead?

It seemed clear that this was Rick's dream, evidenced by how it would cut back to Rick crying. This was how he envisioned the future.

Darren870 · Dec 19, 2017

Molto said:
It seemed clear that this was Rick's dream, evidenced by how it would cut back to Rick crying. This was how he envisioned the future.

Ahh fair enough. Never really know with this show. Just thought it was a flash forward of some sort especially sine he had a limp/cane and all...

Phonomezer · Dec 19, 2017

kickz said:
Caught on the last two eps, some observations;

-Rick vs Daryl will come to ahead when he finds out he single handily freed the saviors
-Trash people were a waste of time, hope saviors take them out
-This Eugene redemption angle was lame
-Never liked Carl but he went out a hero by saving everyone
-This saviors arc has to be over this spring

Many things have overstayed their welcome on this show:

- Time for Daryl to die, character development ground to a halt a few seasons ago.

- Irritating Priest, as well.

- Also Tara

- and Rosita

- Eugene is just a tragedy at this point, worse than Andrea ever was.

- Saviors aren't intimidating any more, was tired by the end of last season, completely devoid of interest now. Bye.

- Rick should really die, too, show needs a new dynamic.

- I'm afraid they'll kill of Carol next.

kickz · Dec 19, 2017

Phonomezer said:
Many things have overstayed their welcome on this show:

- Time for Daryl to die, character development ground to a halt a few seasons ago.

- Irritating Priest, as well.

- Also Tara

- and Rosita

- Eugene is just a tragedy at this point, worse than Andrea ever was.

- Saviors aren't intimidating any more, was tired by the end of last season, completely devoid of interest now. Bye.

- Rick should really die, too, show needs a new dynamic.

- I'm afraid they'll kill of Carol next.

Agree on everything but Rick, he is the main character, cant have him go out. It would be Fear the Walking Dead without him

Deleted member 9486 · Dec 19, 2017

Carfo said:
Regarding lost, Damon Lindelof said as much regarding Walt. They had some idea what they wanted to do with him, but he aged way too fast for what they were going for, so they wrote him to get on a raft and pretty much nixed his character, he had a few minutes worth of scenes in a future season but that was it. Btw, I loved Lost, but they had NO idea where they were going with the show even after the first season.

Yep, the Walt thing was a big part of why I think it's probably partly the same here (mentioned that in a prior post a page or two back). Kid characters just don't work in slow moving dramas where you have multiple episodes per day (much less year where you have multiple seasons for one year of time in the show world some times).

Wonderment said:
This isn't a knock on what you're saying, because I get what you mean - but unless he has a medical growth condition, he can't age "too fast". Let's face it, the show moves too slowly now. We spent a good portion of the mid-season finale staring at pairs of eyes.

As above, that just bolsters my idea. They spend multiple episodes per day these days--that exacerbates the problems of child actors aging too fast for the show world. Time in the show going slowly makes it worse, not better. The aging problem would be alleviated if it was going fast and each season was covering at least a year of show world time progression.

bye · Dec 19, 2017

I wouldn't go as far to say Carl dying changes the shows dynamic. The invulnerable child torch will just be passed to Judith and probably a new kid between Rick and Michonne.

VenomousCoffee · Dec 19, 2017

Phonomezer said:
Many things have overstayed their welcome on this show:

- Time for Daryl to die, character development ground to a halt a few seasons ago.

- Irritating Priest, as well.

- Also Tara

- and Rosita

- Eugene is just a tragedy at this point, worse than Andrea ever was.

- Saviors aren't intimidating any more, was tired by the end of last season, completely devoid of interest now. Bye.

- Rick should really die, too, show needs a new dynamic.

- I'm afraid they'll kill of Carol next.

So, everything on the show?

Not that I disagree, exactly.

ZeoVGM · Dec 19, 2017

Darren870 said:
I still don't really understand Carls death. In the first episode of this season we see what looks like a flash forward with an older Rick and Judith. In that scene we also see Carl and Michonne. Was there any explanation for that on talking dead?

This is another frustrating "bad writing" aspect to the show this season.

If Carl is truly about to die, then that scene was obviously some sort of "what if" scenario that Rick flashes in his mind. Likely at the very end of the war with Negan. Rick will have Negan on the ground below him, a gun to his head. He will imagine that "what if" future and even with that in his mind, still decide to let Negan live.

I don't hate that as an idea but if they're going to show us a flash forward with Carl and then kill Carl before explaining it, obviously it wasn't even real in the first place.

Deleted member 13101 · Dec 19, 2017

dmaul1114 said:
Yep, the Walt thing was a big part of why I think it's probably partly the same here (mentioned that in a prior post a page or two back). Kid characters just don't work in slow moving dramas where you have multiple episodes per day (much less year where you have multiple seasons for one year of time in the show world some times).

As above, that just bolsters my idea. They spend multiple episodes per day these days--that exacerbates the problems of child actors aging too fast for the show world. Time in the show going slowly makes it worse, not better. The aging problem would be alleviated if it was going fast and each season was covering at least a year of show world time progression.

It's funny that Lost dealt with "time travel" in different ways, but couldn't tie up the loose end they thought Walt was. Oh well.

At this point TWD needs to dispense with the contemplation in its episodes. We've been there and back with just about everyone now. The worst has happened to them all, they've all had parts of them taken away (though not anatomically except for Carl). Carl was their last bastion of adult-level contemplation, and they chose to make his a finite one, even though he is old enough now to fit better into the show should it decide to accelerate forward in time.

The show has got to demonstrate that they either find a way to survive in some sort of civilized fashion, or that it will be a perpetual cycle of brutal survival for the near-term. The thing is, they have another show that's on the upswing that will eventually have to do the same thing - perhaps sooner given that show has some momentum now.

dyst · Dec 19, 2017

kickz said:
My theory is Rick goes nuts and keeps zombie Carl chained up hoping for a cure.

Then Michone kills him like she killed the Governors daughter?

Molto · Dec 19, 2017

VenomousCoffee said:
So, everything on the show?

Not that I disagree, exactly.

Basically, lol. Just end the show if you're going to kill off all the main characters.

Lynchian Anomaly · Dec 19, 2017

We're definitely going to get a desperation season where a lot of characters get bumped off Glenn style to try trick people into watching.

zeitgeist · Dec 22, 2017

I'm starting to wonder if we should expect a larger time jump after this season. Maybe the problem isn't that Carl is getting too old but will be too young looking.

Also my totally ridiculous guess is that Carl is faking the bite as a way to break off from everyone / stay out of the war.

Guppeth · Dec 22, 2017

zeitgeist said:
I'm starting to wonder if we should expect a larger time jump after this season. Maybe the problem isn't that Carl is getting too old but will be too young looking.

Also my totally ridiculous guess is that Carl is faking the bite as a way to break off from everyone / stay out of the war.

The youngsters after the time jump can be Judith and that baby they found.

-Pyromaniac- · Dec 25, 2017

I'd love for a big time jump and for Judith to be older and live up to the little ass kicker name.

Hammee · Dec 25, 2017

I slightly believe this whole thing with Chandler being fired is fake. He was bitten by a zombie but it will turn out he doesn't die. They then find out his blood gets rid of whatever makes people turn in to zombies. Both Saviors and Rick's group band together upon realizing this and start saving the world by finding other people with the same special blood. Boom. Show is over.

I mean c'mon. They had him get shot THROUGH THE EYE SOCKET and he was perfectly fine.

VenomousCoffee · Dec 25, 2017

What if Choral turns and then bites everyone in the group (since walkers sometimes can surprise you up close, somehow) and the big twist is that it's the series finale?

nekkid · Dec 26, 2017

Did anyone watch that "Walker World" special, showing how the walkers are created and acted?

It's a pretty fun behind-the-scenes feature, but I noticed something:

Now this might just be a coincidence, but I couldn't shake the fact that one of the many clips of walkers looked very much like

Dwight as a walker

Now was it just lookalike, or did they fuck up and spoil something?

ZeoVGM · Dec 26, 2017

Hammee said:
I slightly believe this whole thing with Chandler being fired is fake. He was bitten by a zombie but it will turn out he doesn't die. They then find out his blood gets rid of whatever makes people turn in to zombies. Both Saviors and Rick's group band together upon realizing this and start saving the world by finding other people with the same special blood. Boom. Show is over.

I mean c'mon. They had him get shot THROUGH THE EYE SOCKET and he was perfectly fine.

He's super dead.

Selbran · Dec 26, 2017

Honestly, it is possible they have some elaborate plan with the decision to kill Carl off, but I am under the assumption it was just a decision made this season because Gimple doesn't know how to write and is just doing everything off the top of his head. He probably didn't know what he wanted to do with Carl's character and just found him annoying to keep around without ever utilizing the character so he decided to kill him for shock value.

Alternatively, he recognized Chandler isn't the greatest actor and decided to kill him off rather than be forced to use one of the weakest cast members regularly because he plays an important character.

Wein Cruz · Dec 26, 2017

cLOUDo said:
I was looking for the rating and damn...

At this rate, how many season you think left?

Hopefully not many or at least not many under Scott gimples incompetent ass.

"He decided to prematurely kill off Carl Grimes because he could and, in consequence, he has destroyed The Walking Dead."

I wonder how long that has been on his wiki page lol.

ZeoVGM · Dec 26, 2017

LostMyNarbles said:
Honestly, it is possible they have some elaborate plan with the decision to kill Carl off, but I am under the assumption it was just a decision made this season because Gimple doesn't know how to write and is just doing everything off the top of his head. He probably didn't know what he wanted to do with Carl's character and just found him annoying to keep around without ever utilizing the character so he decided to kill him for shock value.

Alternatively, he recognized Chandler isn't the greatest actor and decided to kill him off rather than be forced to use one of the weakest cast members regularly because he plays an important character.

There's zero chance of the second part.

He didn't randomly notice, eight seasons into the show, that Chandler isn't the greatest actor, and decided to kill him off. The cast and crew do not think Chandler is a bad actor.

The decision was made this season. Chandler was told a couple episodes beforehand. Gimple thought it was good for the story.

It wasn't and it was dumb. But he didn't do it because of his acting.

Assisted Living Dracula · Dec 26, 2017

Apparently Chandler's dad is a massive pain in the ass for the production. From a blind item website:

All the tour guides are licensed and insured and have buses and schedules and permits and a meeting place and an itinerary. Well, except for one.

The father of the child star of the show started operating his own "tour." His tour has no bus, no schedule, no business license, no meeting place. You drive your own car.

While other tour guides are operating lawfully, this guy is leading dozens of people around the town, trespassing on private property, and completely ignoring any of the safety rules the other tour operators follow. According to the townspeople, he is both a nuisance and an insurance nightmare waiting to happen. It may not be as bad as a zombie apocalypse, but it is a significant problem for them.

Given his dad's reaction to him being killed off, I wouldn't doubt if he was a big reason for them to get rid of Chandler.

More at the link: http://blindgossip.com/?p=80518

nekkid · Dec 26, 2017

Assisted Living Dracula said:
Apparently Chandler's dad is a massive pain in the ass for the production. From a blind item website:

Given his dad's reaction to him being killed off, I wouldn't doubt if he was a big reason for them to get rid of Chandler.

That's a shame if so. Chandler himself seems like a great kid.

ZeoVGM · Dec 26, 2017

Assisted Living Dracula said:
Apparently Chandler's dad is a massive pain in the ass for the production. From a blind item website:

Given his dad's reaction to him being killed off, I wouldn't doubt if he was a big reason for them to get rid of Chandler.

You should probably link to the article itself for something like this.

Assisted Living Dracula · Dec 26, 2017

ZeoVGM said:
You should probably link to the article itself for something like this.

My bad, I got sidetracked at work.

http://blindgossip.com/?p=80518

ZeoVGM · Dec 26, 2017

Assisted Living Dracula said:
My bad, I got sidetracked at work.

http://blindgossip.com/?p=80518

That sucks, if true.

Though I have a hard time believing Chandler was fired because of that. That is a huge public lawsuit waiting to happen.

Like I said above regarding his acting, they're not "firing" Chandler after 8 seasons because of something like that. Both Chandler and Gimple have gone on the record as saying Gimple believed it would be the best for the story.

Considering how bad Gimple has been at doing what is best for the story for the past three seasons, that's the most believable reason to me.

Nameless · Dec 27, 2017

So I'm 4-5 episodes behind and finally just let my co-worker spoil me because she wouldn't shut up about it, plus I'm in no real rush to catch up...Fucking WHAT!? I'm glad I haven't been watching because that's a tier of gut-punch I don't think the show would've been able to earn given the quality/pacing as of late.

RIP Boss. May all the chocolate pudding await you in the after afterlife.

Azzanadra · Dec 31, 2017

I just caught up with the second half of season 7, I don't care about spoilers but its sad to see season 8 getting so much shit. I thought S7 was a big MEH (after S6 and S5 being legitimately great IMO). Thought the first half of S8 could make-up for this slog of a season (referring to 7),

Kickmaster Kim · Jan 1, 2018

I just finished season 7 episode 1. I am livid!

Nameless · Jan 1, 2018

Kickmaster Kim said:
I just finished season 7 episode 1. I am livid!

What? Was the joke that bad?

Kickmaster Kim · Jan 1, 2018

That whole episode fucked my shit up. Now since I watched the premiere of 8 I knew Glenn was going to die sometime between seasons 4 and 8, but I still wasn't prepared. He went out likie a G, but fuck he was the only Asian on the show. He was the only Asian on the show. Aside from him I think I may have only saw like 1 Asian extra.

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