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Karateka

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So this news has come out today New Phoenix pay issue could mean $0 paycheques for Christmas.

Anyone else surprised that the governments at play haven't been hit harder on the phoenix issues? I'm honestly surprised people haven't been out for blood given just how many people this effects.
I got paid but a lot of people at work didnt get their overtime.
I mean not really anything can be done. The conservatives bought the system now the liberals are using it everybody wants to get rid of it but it cost millions of dollars.
 

djkimothy

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I got paid but a lot of people at work didnt get their overtime.
I mean not really anything can be done. The conservatives bought the system now the liberals are using it everybody wants to get rid of it but it cost millions of dollars.

I got paid on Monday which is a weird thing. But I was able to sort out my bills early so no biggie.

It'll be hard to get rid of the system when there's no fall back option.
 

killerrin

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I got paid but a lot of people at work didnt get their overtime.
I mean not really anything can be done. The conservatives bought the system now the liberals are using it everybody wants to get rid of it but it cost millions of dollars.

Luckily I got paid too. Same can't be said for Overtime hours, but at the very least something around the correct amount keeps getting deposited into my bank. No clue about my coworkers though.
 

Tiktaalik

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Always interesting year end CBC National At Issue year end wrap up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H7ECf227Wo …

In one of his responses Andrew Coyne highlights something about Trudeau polling I meant to clarify earlier. I forgot to respond to the earlier inquiry to my suggestion that Trudeau gets a significant boost in polls simply from being "not Trump." I didn't mean horserace party vs party polls, but more of those personal attribute polls about his character (eg. is he trustworthy, is he a good leader.. etc).

Coyne suggests that the recent minor scandals won't dent party polling (in part because the Scheer is terrible and Singh has barely started being leader) but could start to impact those personality polling results. It's a minor thing, but the sort of thing that builds over time. When a party defeats itself, it's because of all this built up damage, where people who once had overwhelmingly positive views of a leader now see them as fatally flawed.
 
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This tweet (the one by Candice Bergmen) reads like a parody. I thought it was just a twitter troll at first, but it's an actual conservative MP clutching at her pearls. lol
 

Tiktaalik

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Here's a good long article summarizing the year in BC politics. Quite friendly to those out of province that wouldn't have followed BC Poli so closely.

2017: A look back at a crazy year in B.C. politics

VICTORIA — In the long, extraordinary, and at-times wacky history of B.C. politics, there has never been a year quite like 2017.

The closest election in provincial history, followed by the first minority government since 1952, and then the first time in 114 years that an opposition party defeated a government on a confidence vote in the legislature and assumed power without having to go to a new election.

It was a year that saw the office of the lieutenant-governor flex its little-used powers, reminding the public that the Queen's representative in B.C. is more than a figurehead.

And a year that saw B.C.'s cast of political characters shift dramatically: Liberal premier Christy Clark, who had dominated the political scene since her return in 2011, exited the stage in abrupt defeat. Green leader Andrew Weaver became kingmaker, with his party's three seats holding the balance of power. And the NDP's John Horgan rose to the challenge of becoming B.C.'s 36th premier, leading New Democrats to office after 16 years on the sidelines.

"I don't think in my wildest dreams I would have thought what transpired could have and would have transpired," said Weaver. "It has been remarkable."

"In many ways, it was the longest year in B.C.'s political history — certainly its recent political history in terms of the twists and turns that occurred," added Mike de Jong, the former Liberal finance minister, who is entering his 24th year as an MLA.

For many, it's still difficult to process the B.C. Liberal fall from grace. The party went into the election with a provincial economy that was the strongest in Canada, and a campaign war chest overflowing with cash. But the Liberals faced a voter backlash in Metro Vancouver over their slow action on housing affordability, bridge tolls, child care and political donation reform.

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I think this quote is quite interesting.

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Meanwhile, the Greens, who played an oversized role in power-sharing with only three MLAs, are run ragged, said Weaver. "Honestly, I'm the living embodiment of exhaustion," he said.

It's tough for MLAs to truly appreciate the historic nature of 2017, given how tired they are from a jam-packed 12 months, said Weaver.

"We are living in the trees, we can't stand back and see the forest," he said.
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If anything the NDP have over delivered beyond expectations and are running things much better than anyone thought they would. In particular people are pleased with now the new attorney general is going after the money laundering issues the BC Liberals long ignored. The NDP have been a large opposition government in waiting for a very long time, various ministers know their portfolios quite well, and the NDP has known exactly what they want to get done.

In contrast the Greens are all rather new at this, and with only three MPs and less resources, it's unsurprising that they'd be finding things a bit more difficult.

I expect that the government will be solid until at least after the 2018 referendum on electoral reform. Supposing the next election is held under PR one would expect the Greens to do much better, though given the way things are going, with the NDP being a surprisingly competent and effective government, I wonder if people will feel less need to vote for a third party. The Greens have up to this point gained their momentum on their assertion that the other two parties are both equally terrible and the whole system is broken, but with the untested NDP having been given its chance to govern, and having largely impressed, that notion may be harder to sell going forward.
 

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The BC government's been a lot more stable than I expected it to be. Placas putting the province ahead of partisanship and Clark resigning her seat helped a lot but it's still a pretty narrow margin to deal with. That alone is pretty impressive.
 

Tiktaalik

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lmao Clark was such a joke after the election.

June 8th - "Whatever job voters give me and the House gives me in this Parliament, I'm going to take it." - Christy Clark
June 29th - John Horgan's B.C. NDP To Take Power After Liberals Fall In Confidence Vote
July 28th - Christy Clark resigns as MLA and leader of B.C. Liberal party
 
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I'm not up on how Notley's government has been doing. Is this going to resonate or is it BS theatrics from Jason Kenney's team?
Probably (even though the increase in cost is offset by a tax credit Albertans receive that's dependent on income, meaning lower-income families will receive a larger credit than upper-middle class or the 1%)
 

mo60

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Probably (even though the increase in cost is offset by a tax credit Albertans receive that's dependent on income, meaning lower-income families will receive a larger credit than upper-middle class or the 1%)
The small business tax was also decreased to 2% when the carbon tax came into effect a year ago.'

People are photoshopping the sign on twitter now. Lol.
 
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djkimothy

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It's moreso that the next election is the UCP's to lose.

In other news, Grenier posted his 2018 analysis: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-2018-ontario-quebec-1.4448399

Same with Ontario. I am gobsmacked that Wynn is competitive despite being so unpopular. It's almost as if the Conservative brand is what is more toxic than anything else. Other than in Prairies.

Nanos poll also shows a 12 point gap this week despite being a rough fall for the liberals. Federally speaking that is.
 
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Same with Ontario. I am gobsmacked that Wynn is competitive despite being so unpopular. It's almost as if the Conservative brand is what is more toxic than anything else. Other than in Prairies.

Nanos poll also shows a 12 point gap this week despite being a rough fall for the liberals. Federally speaking that is.

My one prediction for this year is that the Liberals somehow win reelection in Ontario. Wynne may not be personally popular, but she's a very good campaigner, and I think that the OLP has delivered on enough stuff that they'll be able to win over soft NDP voters who are afraid that the PCs would roll back a lot of the changes. I think Brown will do better than any PC leader since Harris, but that he's too much of an unknown to become the premier, while Horwath's performance will leave Singh wishing that he'd stayed in provincial politics (where he could've had a much easier time leading the ONDP).


In federal news, the Globe and Mail may have already won the award for headline of the year: Andrew Scheer won't march in Pride parades, but says Tories are more tolerant than Liberals

The article makes him look like a giant hypocrite, too, which is awesome:

Mr. Scheer, who himself is anti-abortion, has repeatedly said he won't bring forward any government legislation on the issue. He and other top Conservatives are set to speak at February's Manning Networking Conference in Ottawa, a major event hosted by the Calgary-based conservative Manning Centre think tank. One of this year's sponsors is the "We Need a Law" organization, which advocates for abortion legislation to protect "pre-born humans."

"Not everybody marches," Mr. Scheer said. "There are other ways that I've chosen to show support for the community."

Mr. Scheer called the Liberals' attempts to paint him as a social conservative extremist who would scale back women's rights "fear mongering and character assassination." As an MP, he voted with most in his party against the same-sex marriage bill in 2005 and in favour of a 2016 private member's bill that would have made it a criminal offence to cause injury or death to a "preborn child" while committing a crime against a pregnant woman.
 

djkimothy

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That was a weird article. I'm sure the conservatives think it paints them in a good light but it felt like a tongue in cheek "uh huh..." statement.

A real head scratcher.
 

Gabbo

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It makes him seem like a hypocrit too stupid to see that he is one. This is the gist: Justin Trudeau is intolerant because he makes Liberal MPs toe the line on abortion, but I'm different because I make MPs toe the line on net neutrality even after they disagree with me/the party.

And the bit on Pride is true, kind of, but isnt going to win anyone him any new fans.
 

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Jesus... just some of the "supporting" comments she posted on her senate web space...

"Do not back down, the Indians, First Nations or whatever they want to be called have milked this issue to their decided advantage," states another dated Mar. 30, 2017.

"This mood will only grow with Justin Trudeau running around doing selfies with minority groups," states a letter dated Mar. 9, 2017.

"The handouts have taken their people nowhere, and their constant backward-looking mentality serves no useful purpose," states a letter dated Mar. 10, 2017. "Aboriginals seem to be well schooled in getting media pity and they have become very good at getting media coverage."

"To expect the Canadian government to continue to subsidize a culture which is often damaging to new generations of Indigenous youth, is just bizarre," reads another letter dated Mar. 30, 2017.

Just when I hope she disappears from the spotlight she comes crawling back. She has had no consequence from her talk as the conservative caucus just sits there doing nothing. They're outrage about some sweater worn by the PM 11 months ago but lets this slide. get stuffed.
 

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Corporate greed started early in 2018

Pretty disgusting especially this
Another employee said that with unpaid breaks and having to pay 50 per cent of the cost of benefits, their biweekly paycheque will actually be $51 dollars lower than it was before the minimum wage hike.

Hopefully the Government of Ontario steps in. You cannot punish your employees for government policies. Comment section is nauseating. CBC should definitely remove comments from every page at this point.
 

djkimothy

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Robyn Urbak and Justin Ling were going at it on twitter. Justin is right though. businesses have the lowest tax rate in the G7. The idea they'd take employee benefits away because of the min wage is disgusting.

It's unadulterated corporate greed plain and simple.
 

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Robyn Urbak and Justin Ling were going at it on twitter. Justin is right though. businesses have the lowest tax rate in the G7. The idea they'd take employee benefits away because of the min wage is disgusting.

It's unadulterated corporate greed plain and simple.

Is this it? https://twitter.com/Justin_Ling/status/948733310770978816

Looks to me like they pretty much agree on everything and the differences are quite fine- they both think minimum wage increases aren't a good policy instrument for poverty alleviation (they aren't), Ling thinks it's wrong of the franchise and corporate overlords to squeal over the minimum wage (it is) and Urback thinks franchises like that one cutting benefits are using the minimum wage hike are just crass opportunists using it as an excuse and that's to be expected (they are).
 
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Gabbo

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There needs to be a mechanism to remove a senator like this from office somehow. This is just gross.

Corporate greed started early in 2018
Pretty disgusting especially this
Hopefully the Government of Ontario steps in. You cannot punish your employees for government policies. Comment section is nauseating. CBC should definitely remove comments from every page at this point.

I have to imagine this kind of thing is going to be used against the government every chance the opposition party`s are going to get.
 
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Hamish Marshall is still the campaign manager for the CPC. This is going to be used as a deflection for accusations about Scheer's thinly-veiled bigotry (even though it took him far longer to boot Beyak from the caucus than it ever should have and the current reporting suggests they'd have been fine with keeping Beyak around if she just removed the letters).
 

Pedrito

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Québec now has the 2nd lowest unemployment rate in the country after BC. The weirdest timeline...
 

djkimothy

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Numbers are ridiculous. I have a feeling there might be some adjustment in January as the min wage policy takes place. Or maybe full time work gains will mitigate any negative trends in part time jobs.

Heard on the radio that 5.7% territory is pretty much full employment as numbers go.

Quebec coming up the inside track with their posted numbers!
 

Tiktaalik

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Québec now has the 2nd lowest unemployment rate in the country after BC. The weirdest timeline...

Bububu Quebec has job killing high taxes!!! What's going to be the conservative talking points on Quebec now?

Also the socialist horde just seized power in BC and raised corporate taxes and taxes on income earned over 150k so clearly it's only a short matter of time before BC loses its top spot and becomes a have not province.
 

Pedrito

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Bububu Quebec has job killing high taxes!!! What's going to be the conservative talking points on Quebec now?

Also the socialist horde just seized power in BC and raised corporate taxes and taxes on income earned over 150k so clearly it's only a short matter of time before BC loses its top spot and becomes a have not province.

That you need Québec's low wages for growth, not job killing minimum wage?
That "austerity" is working?
That Trump's economic policies are helping Québec's economy?

I have no doubt they'll spin the numbers in a convenient way (like all sides do).
 
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