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About 8 feet. I did activate just scan for switch and it made things better but oh God does Xenoblade look like ass.

What size TV? Because that definitely makes a big difference. Early this year i saw Zelda on my 1080p EC9300 OLED, 55 inch. That looked fine. But I can imagine it looking a lot worse if I were to see it on my 65B6 now. I'm still extremely disappointed Nintendo didn't come with bigger guns in terms of hardware but that's a different story altogether.

Setting to 10 bit could cause problems with SDR games (8 bit). Washed out colors?

I've only watched one video from HDTVtest. It's specifically about the settings for an Xbox One X.

Is that with a certain TV or doesn't that matter? Unless it was just placebo but when I had it set to 8 bits on my old Xbox One I would see some slight banding in games and not at all now with 10 bits. But now I have the X, no more old Xbox One anymore.
 

DOTDASHDOT

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i've been wondering if this thread was specifically about OLED or not

You would think so wouldn't you! Lol

Anyone use TruMotion? What are your settings. Noticed some slight judder in some movies. RTing says to set it to User and have both at 0. Others have mentioned to raising them a few digits.

Edit: this is for B7A

Setting blur reduction to 10 is a given, no side effects that I've seen, and it'll take the edge off blurring, but dejudder is a preference thing, I'm at 5, and with that I get no judder, but it's not soap opera smooth either. Perfect.
 
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guitarguy316

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Is that with a certain TV or doesn't that matter? Unless it was just placebo but when I had it set to 8 bits on my old Xbox One I would see some slight banding in games and not at all now with 10 bits. But now I have the X, no more old Xbox One anymore.

post a picture of 8 bit and 10 bit showing the banding...thanks!



Setting to 10 bit could cause problems with SDR games (8 bit). Washed out colors?

I've only watched one video from HDTVtest. It's specifically about the settings for an Xbox One X.

are games mastered/output in 8 bit? only movies are 10/12 bit?
 

Bumrush

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Oct 25, 2017
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Bought my in-laws an S405 since they still had a 720p TV from 15-ish years ago. Reviews seemed pretty decent, especially for the price.

Anyone on here have one? Any thoughts?
 

Relix

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Oct 25, 2017
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What size TV? Because that definitely makes a big difference. Early this year i saw Zelda on my 1080p EC9300 OLED, 55 inch. That looked fine. But I can imagine it looking a lot worse if I were to see it on my 65B6 now. I'm still extremely disappointed Nintendo didn't come with bigger guns in terms of hardware but that's a different story altogether.

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Yeah, 65 inches. Now to get an Xbox One x. Gotta enjoy this.

I know this is not the thread but, since I am in an apartment now, what's the best headphone within a reasonable budget (300?) I can buy so I can play games and watch movies without causing a ruckus.
 

Coolwhip

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Oct 27, 2017
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My eyes are 200 cm (2 meters) away from the screen. I plan on getting the LG OLED C7 55 inch in January. Good choice gang?
 

Ashhong

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Yeah, 65 inches. Now to get an Xbox One x. Gotta enjoy this.

I know this is not the thread but, since I am in an apartment now, what's the best headphone within a reasonable budget (300?) I can buy so I can play games and watch movies without causing a ruckus.

Most audiophile headphones at that price would require an amp so I'm not sure how that would work out for you. But I'd recommend the Sennheiser HD6XX if it's still available. Goddamn steal at 200$. Checkout the headphone thread for more
 
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Not sure where else to ask this but eh...

On Netflix it says Black Mirror season 4 is Dolby Vision but when I watch the first episode it enables HDR and not DV. On my B6.

The movie Bright IS showing in DV though. Da fuck?
 

Hawk269

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I had a unique opportunity to get a Sony 65" ZD9. I had bought and still own a LG 65" E7 OLED which I do love, but one of the issues is that gaming is a little DIM in the "Game Mode". I know it may sound confrontational but I really think that for gaming the ZD9 is the best set to get. HDR on that sucker is just amazing and the brightness level it achieves is second to none. I tried about 10 games on both since I had the ability to have them almost side by side and there is no question for me or my wife that was watching that for gaming and especially HDR gaming the ZD9 just is impressive. I think that the E7 Overall may be a better set when taking into account movies/UHD movies etc. But 95% of the use in my gaming room is for gaming and after having the ZD9 for a few days now, it is just blowing me away. So many games just look so much better. I really wish LG allowed users to "opt in" if they want a brighter game mode. On it's own, if you are playing a HDR game and you never switch to another picture mode you wont notice how drastically the difference is between game mode and non-game mode options. I am not suggesting the LG is slouch, it is a fantastic set that we are moving to another room, but purely for gaming the ZD9 is the best. That is not to say it is a slouch for movies, tv/sports since Sony's motion handling is pretty great.
 

DOTDASHDOT

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I had a unique opportunity to get a Sony 65" ZD9. I had bought and still own a LG 65" E7 OLED which I do love, but one of the issues is that gaming is a little DIM in the "Game Mode". I know it may sound confrontational but I really think that for gaming the ZD9 is the best set to get. HDR on that sucker is just amazing and the brightness level it achieves is second to none. I tried about 10 games on both since I had the ability to have them almost side by side and there is no question for me or my wife that was watching that for gaming and especially HDR gaming the ZD9 just is impressive. I think that the E7 Overall may be a better set when taking into account movies/UHD movies etc. But 95% of the use in my gaming room is for gaming and after having the ZD9 for a few days now, it is just blowing me away. So many games just look so much better. I really wish LG allowed users to "opt in" if they want a brighter game mode. On it's own, if you are playing a HDR game and you never switch to another picture mode you wont notice how drastically the difference is between game mode and non-game mode options. I am not suggesting the LG is slouch, it is a fantastic set that we are moving to another room, but purely for gaming the ZD9 is the best. That is not to say it is a slouch for movies, tv/sports since Sony's motion handling is pretty great.

All my picture modes on the B7 are exactly the same, so I really don't know any different! But having said that, I've come from an LCD which is at the same level as an ZD, and much prefer the HDR experience on the B7, but id love to see this dim game mode some of you guys talk about, cause maybe i would understand a bit more.
 

Soriku

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I had a unique opportunity to get a Sony 65" ZD9. I had bought and still own a LG 65" E7 OLED which I do love, but one of the issues is that gaming is a little DIM in the "Game Mode". I know it may sound confrontational but I really think that for gaming the ZD9 is the best set to get. HDR on that sucker is just amazing and the brightness level it achieves is second to none. I tried about 10 games on both since I had the ability to have them almost side by side and there is no question for me or my wife that was watching that for gaming and especially HDR gaming the ZD9 just is impressive. I think that the E7 Overall may be a better set when taking into account movies/UHD movies etc. But 95% of the use in my gaming room is for gaming and after having the ZD9 for a few days now, it is just blowing me away. So many games just look so much better. I really wish LG allowed users to "opt in" if they want a brighter game mode. On it's own, if you are playing a HDR game and you never switch to another picture mode you wont notice how drastically the difference is between game mode and non-game mode options. I am not suggesting the LG is slouch, it is a fantastic set that we are moving to another room, but purely for gaming the ZD9 is the best. That is not to say it is a slouch for movies, tv/sports since Sony's motion handling is pretty great.

What's your opinion on the other modes besides game (visually, input lag aside)? I don't use game mode on my B7 anyway.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Not sure where else to ask this but eh...

On Netflix it says Black Mirror season 4 is Dolby Vision but when I watch the first episode it enables HDR and not DV. On my B6.

The movie Bright IS showing in DV though. Da fuck?
Yep, it's the same for me. Some episodes of Black Mirror S4 use Dolby Vision (the second episode flags as such on my B6) but some episodes use standard HDR10 (such as the first and third episode).

I think the episodes are mastered differently. You can tell the aspect ratios vary between episodes too.
 

Samaritan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yep, it's the same for me. Some episodes of Black Mirror S4 use Dolby Vision (the second episode flags as such on my B6) but some episodes use standard HDR10 (such as the first and third episode).

I think the episodes are mastered differently. You can tell the aspect ratios vary between episodes too.
Weird. On my B7 the second episode of Black Mirror flagged as HDR, not DV. Does the version of Netflix you're using matter? I was using the PS4 Pro Netflix app.
 

Matic

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All my picture modes on the B7 are exactly the same, so I really don't know any different! But having said that, I've come from an LCD which is at the same level as an ZD, and much prefer the HDR experience on the B7, but id love to see this dim game mode some of you guys talk about, cause maybe i would understand a bit more.

There is no LCD on the same level as the ZD. As for dimness I own a 65 inch B7 and it is without a doubt very dim in game mode. You can literally google lg oled dim game mode and a ton of sites will appear. I don't know why you are saying that all modes look the same...that isn't subjective that is a straight up wrong.

I recommend folks use settings in topic on avsforums called HDR game settings. Before that I hated how Destiny looked in HDR, but now think it is gorgeous.
 

Hawk269

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Oct 26, 2017
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All my picture modes on the B7 are exactly the same, so I really don't know any different! But having said that, I've come from an LCD which is at the same level as an ZD, and much prefer the HDR experience on the B7, but id love to see this dim game mode some of you guys talk about, cause maybe i would understand a bit more.

I have heard that it was a firmware update that made the Game Mode dim. I am just basing that off of peoples posts at AVS forums. On my E7 with the latest firmware it is a huge difference in brightness level between game mode and other modes. I tried setting the input to PC which gives all picture modes the low input lag, but that also introduces color banding, so that is a no go for me. I don't understand your comment when you say "I've come from an LCD which is at the same level as a ZD"? From my research and postings over avs forums, nothing comes close to the NIT output of a ZD9.

What's your opinion on the other modes besides game (visually, input lag aside)? I don't use game mode on my B7 anyway.

Input lag on the E7 is higher by quite a bit in the non-game mode picture settings. However, they look better than in game mode. So you can have higher input lag and brighter picture if using the other picture settings.
 
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There is no LCD on the same level as the ZD. As for dimness I own a 65 inch B7 and it is without a doubt very dim in game mode. You can literally google lg oled dim game mode and a ton of sites will appear. I don't know why you are saying that all modes look the same...that isn't subjective that is a straight up wrong.

I recommend folks use settings in topic on avsforums called HDR game settings. Before that I hated how Destiny looked in HDR, but now think it is gorgeous.

You mean with things like dynamic contrast set to medium or even high? Still too dark for my liking. But hey, nothing we can do about it. I wish game mode was as bright as HDR bright or even vivid.
 

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What do you guys think about playing competitive games like CSGO or Rainbow Six Siege on a PC using the LG OLED TVs? My PC setup is connected to my B7 and I am kinda feeling Rainbow Six right now. Maybe even PUBG.

I'm not looking to be the top 1% but I want to play at an above average level. Will the 22 ms latency of the OLED bring me down a lot or should I be okay?
 

Hawk269

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What do you guys think about playing competitive games like CSGO or Rainbow Six Siege on a PC using the LG OLED TVs? My PC setup is connected to my B7 and I am kinda feeling Rainbow Six right now. Maybe even PUBG.

I'm not looking to be the top 1% but I want to play at an above average level. Will the 22 ms latency of the OLED bring me down a lot or should I be okay?

Should be no issue. I have my LG E7 hooked up to my gaming PC as well and there have been zero issues. You should be fine. The 7 series has some of the best input lag (in game mode). Of course it is no where like a real gaming monitor.
 

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All my picture modes on the B7 are exactly the same, so I really don't know any different! But having said that, I've come from an LCD which is at the same level as an ZD, and much prefer the HDR experience on the B7, but id love to see this dim game mode some of you guys talk about, cause maybe i would understand a bit more.

Same thing here, there's something that need to be investigated further, because I watch a lot of HDR and DVD contents and it's not brighter than games.
I also tried switching between game mode, technicolor, ISF, and there's no difference. I'm using FFXV for the test, because that's the best example of HDR I've seen.
Even setting dynamic contrast to high is not making the screen brighter, it just change the picture, but the screen don't emit more light.

The only thing that dim the screen is in DV mode when I switch between cinema home and cinema. There's a real difference in brightness here, but I don't see the same thing with HDR game mode.
 

silver5liter

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Nebraska furniture Mart has a good deal on the p series right now.

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Mike Works

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So I just watched The Big Sick (1080p) via Amazon Prime on my 65" C7, and the color banding was REALLY noticeable in some scenes (and non-existent in others). Is there anything I can do to combat this via settings? Is it something that'll improve with time (I just got the TV 5 days ago)?

edit: And I'm watching it through the TV's Amazon Prime app
 
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Kyoufu

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All my picture modes on the B7 are exactly the same, so I really don't know any different! But having said that, I've come from an LCD which is at the same level as an ZD, and much prefer the HDR experience on the B7, but id love to see this dim game mode some of you guys talk about, cause maybe i would understand a bit more.

I think it's because your TV came with the dimmer game mode by default, whereas others (like myself, 6 series) went from the default brightness to a dimmer picture after an update, so it's harder for you to understand the difference.

LG actually has a web page up specifically for this because so many people complained about the dimmer game mode. http://www.lg.com/ca_en/support/product-help/CT20098005-20150410129990-others
 

Kyoufu

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's too bad there's zero 8K content being made and 4K just got started, otherwise I would consider getting one in a couple of years.
 

DieH@rd

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There is really no need for 8K right now. There will be some content created by 2020 [Olympic Games], but even then, it will be really sparse. I don't even think nextgen consoles will focus on it.
 

TheKeyPit

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Oct 27, 2017
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This HDR industry is one huge pile of crap.

A Samsung MU8009 49" has an 8bit+FRC panel. The 55" variant has a 10bit panel.
(according to displayspecifications website)

One complicated mess.

Only 10bit panels should be allowed to call themselves HDR-capable...

The average consumer has no clue what he's buying.
 

Ashhong

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Oct 26, 2017
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Agreed, the tv marketing this gen is really fucked up and intentionally misleading to your average consumer.
 

Kyoufu

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Oct 26, 2017
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I agree as well. You're pretty much getting screwed if you don't do some heavy research online.

Then again, I think most people don't even know what HDR is or even care to know.
 

DOTDASHDOT

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There is no LCD on the same level as the ZD. As for dimness I own a 65 inch B7 and it is without a doubt very dim in game mode. You can literally google lg oled dim game mode and a ton of sites will appear. I don't know why you are saying that all modes look the same...that isn't subjective that is a straight up wrong.

I recommend folks use settings in topic on avsforums called HDR game settings. Before that I hated how Destiny looked in HDR, but now think it is gorgeous.


I have heard that it was a firmware update that made the Game Mode dim. I am just basing that off of peoples posts at AVS forums. On my E7 with the latest firmware it is a huge difference in brightness level between game mode and other modes. I tried setting the input to PC which gives all picture modes the low input lag, but that also introduces color banding, so that is a no go for me. I don't understand your comment when you say "I've come from an LCD which is at the same level as a ZD"? From my research and postings over avs forums, nothing comes close to the NIT output of a ZD9.



Input lag on the E7 is higher by quite a bit in the non-game mode picture settings. However, they look better than in game mode. So you can have higher input lag and brighter picture if using the other picture settings.

I can only say what I'm seeing, and I've compared the non game modes on numerous scenes, and the only time non game modes look any brighter is when active HDR is activated, but on the contrary to that, I've seen game mode HDR look brighter!!

The LCD I'm talking about is an Panasonic DX902, it has 100 or so less zones and a bit less specular brightness, but for full field nits, black level, pixel response, DCI coverage, the 902 outpaces the ZD9.

Since I've owned the B7 it's proved to me that peak nits on an LCD, is a bit of a fallacy! Because the very thing that an LCD is supposed to be good at ie specular highlights, ends up being the opposite, because the backlight system is struggling to balance deep blacks, with bright highs; to what extent I didn't realise until I got the B7! Much more impressive.


Same thing here, there's something that need to be investigated further, because I watch a lot of HDR and DVD contents and it's not brighter than games.
I also tried switching between game mode, technicolor, ISF, and there's no difference. I'm using FFXV for the test, because that's the best example of HDR I've seen.
Even setting dynamic contrast to high is not making the screen brighter, it just change the picture, but the screen don't emit more light.

The only thing that dim the screen is in DV mode when I switch between cinema home and cinema. There's a real difference in brightness here, but I don't see the same thing with HDR game mode.

Completely agree with that, I'm finding the exact same results, I can only think that the firmwares are varying from region to region, or some people have energy saving and/or eco mode on, that really has an impact.


I think it's because your TV came with the dimmer game mode by default, whereas others (like myself, 6 series) went from the default brightness to a dimmer picture after an update, so it's harder for you to understand the difference.

LG actually has a web page up specifically for this because so many people complained about the dimmer game mode. http://www.lg.com/ca_en/support/product-help/CT20098005-20150410129990-others

I get what you are saying, but it doesn't change the fact that the other modes look exactly the same.

I agree as well. You're pretty much getting screwed if you don't do some heavy research online.

Then again, I think most people don't even know what HDR is or even care to know.

Haha, I was preaching to the unconvertible last night, trying to show HDR on the B7, and all I got was "it looks ok, but need to see it next to a TV without it"

Very frustrating.
 
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Me_Marcadet

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I think it's because your TV came with the dimmer game mode by default, whereas others (like myself, 6 series) went from the default brightness to a dimmer picture after an update, so it's harder for you to understand the difference.

LG actually has a web page up specifically for this because so many people complained about the dimmer game mode. http://www.lg.com/ca_en/support/product-help/CT20098005-20150410129990-others
It does not explain why there's no difference between modes on our set.
I believe everyone who have a dim game mode, I just can't replicate the same thing by switching settings. Maybe they have dimmed every mode?
 

noyram23

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Oct 25, 2017
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Happy New Year everyone! Question what Black level do you use for LG B6? Low looks like it has crushed blacks on FFXV using PS4 Pro. Thanks!
 

Joule

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Nov 19, 2017
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Can we please not?

I mean 4K OLED is still far from mainstream, even 4K itself, while picking up steam considerably, is not yet a household name. I mean, at least HD was a thing for 10 years, why do these companies insist on confusing consumers?
CES has always been about advancements in technology and they introduce prototypes like this. If you don't like seeing new technology I suggest you stay away from the internet for the next week.

I'm just really glad to be seeing a new screen size from LGD. Perhaps we'll see those 40"ers sooner than the rumored 2020 date.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1509531763
 

Y2Kev

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Oct 25, 2017
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I went to Best Buy yesterday to look at TVs and was blown away by the high end Sony and LG OLEDs. The blacks. Omg.

edit: Uh can I order from...Nebraska Furniture Mart...if I'm in NJ? Is that wise? edit2: OMG shipping is $220 lol.
 
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noyram23

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Oct 25, 2017
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Make sure your PS4 is set to limited not full.
Changing the RGB range doesn't matter and doesn't change anything on HDR, at least on LG B6. On SDR it's Full = High or Limited = Low. I guess I want to know what HDR black level everyone uses for LG B6, I feel like Low is the correct one but it feels like it has crushed black but it's probably due ink blacks.
 
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