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Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
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Come on man, just look at the Nintendo thread for example. If you go in there and don't agree with the thread title you get called a misogynist, or you're against representation issues just because you don't share the same opinion.
Yup, this is the long and short of it. They're basicaly Disney a decade ago (which in turn is most companies three decades ago).
It's even crazier to think they've had a series with the toughest female bounty hunter since 1987 and they've managed to turn even her into a damsel in distress. Zelda was also a badass in Ocarina of Time. People saying things are getting better must be referring to western companies, because in the case of Japanese ones, I sure as hell am not seeing it.
Motion controls are pretty much the only thing I liked from Skyward Sword; in fact I positively loved them. I'm not sure how Breath of the Wild would have been with motion controls like those, but I woudn't have minded to see them try.
I understand that, but that doesn't make it any less insulting to me personally. That said, I don't think it's a harmful trend that should stop or anything. Just an annoying one that I personally dislike.
Oh, did that happen? Bleh :(
Can you link a post where someone was called a misogynist purely for not agreeing with the thread title?
I didn't see one in the first couple of pages.
If this is the case, you or these other people shouldn't care whether or not there's better representation for minorities.
I love Nintendo properties like Mario, Zelda and Metroid, but I feel like I have to steer clear of the fan base. It can be a little embarrassing but that thread takes things to a whole other level.
No, it's not false because I clearly applied it to people whose political position (conservative) is largely ingrained in games already, and largely seen as 'normal', and who then reply with 'I just want fun'. I didn't apply it to everyone, nor do I think everyone is the same: If you think it doesn't apply to you because your politics aren't 'on top', then I wasn't aiming that at you. Of course it's possible to enjoy stuff no matter your own political beliefs. I certainly do, including some stuff where I'd like to see changes to aspects of it.
If you read it as an attack on anyone without conservative values who dares to enjoys anything, then OK, sorry my point wasn't more clearly targeted. I thought that it was in context of the part of my post you didn't quote and the discussion I was joining.
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I'm not one to find posts lol, but there sure are a lot of words being thrown around in there..
*sigh* I'm not even sure how to respond to this..¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is a pile of bullshit. Projection is done unconsciously when the character you're projecting into shares your characteristics; saying "nobody really needs to project" when you're a white male playing a sea of games with white male main characters is as obnoxiously disingenuous as saying "nobody really needs money" when you're Donald Trump.
I hated the intro and the hand-holding, but other than that I enjoyed what I played. (Up to the sand dungeon where you're fighting a skeleton on a ship, I think it was? I died on him, and stopped playing, and then got distracted, and suddenly the Switch is out, oh no.)
I admit I remember very little about the game otherwise, haha. I did softmod my Wii specifically so I could use the cheats to get rid of much of the handholding.
BOTW with motion sword swinging would be very interesting. I think it'd get too tiresome in that specific setup, but hey I'd try it.
Nailed it. Heh.
Okay so while I'm playing Nier I'm unconsciously projecting myself onto 2B so i feel like I'm her?
Also I'm not touching fucking Donald Trump lmao..
Edit: also I'm not white damn
That's what a forum is. Your criticism of the thread boils down to the fact that it's functioning like a forum. Great.
Just look at the last page people are getting called bigots because they're apparently against representation of minorities...
I did look in there. I found someone using SJW as an insult and linking extreme alt-right videos as "proof" of their misdeeds. Of course people are going to call out stuff like that.
I mean, in a tsundere "I'm not going to admit it to your face" way yeah. To be fair, that only happens when you beat his dungeon and he still kind of hates you.
I believe that was intended to be a more general "you", not you specifically.
And also yes I imagine you are. Maybe not to the same degree as everyone else, but playing a game literally puts you in that character's shoes. You make decisions as that character, literally through gameplay mechanics (how you fight, etc), and often through narrative ones (who you let live, etc).
Okay, so if I don't feel the same way as the OP of that thread does I'm a piece of shit against misrepresentation issues huh?
If you end up getting 2B killed during gameplay do you think "Oh, I died!" or "Oh, 2B died!"?
I mean sure this is understandable as you're playing as the character making choices for them and whatnot, but i still don't feel like I'm a fucking android woman while I'm playing the game.
I looked over the post you quoted and I don't think Xaszatm said that.
I think I checked out when someone posted screencaps of old posts of where I live. Shit like that makes me feel super unsafe and it's worrisome that people stalk me like that
Yeah I know he definitely didn't say that but that was meant to be a new question and i guess It wasn't that clear or whatever, my bad.
Projecting yourself onto someone doesn't mean you feel like that someone. It means you are embodying them.
And hey shock surprise, some people find comfort in projecting themselves onto a character they more heavily identify with.
And there's nothing wrong with that! Like I said, not everyone feels the same way. :)
Tangled is almost ten years old now. Nintendo is way farther back than that; maybe all the way back to '60s or '70s Disney.
Representation is a non-issue in Japan, so it's impossible for there to be a positive trend there. You can see the odd game do better with it, but it's going to be more by chance than by design.
It's a standard approach to power fantasy stories. Everyone who doesn't love the protagonist is a villain who hates him.
And many of those people who don't feel the same way also feel the need to be dismissive of those who DO feel that way, and often enough to be significant, actively fight against people who do feel that way. See that fucking Nintendo thread.
So, I don't really give a shit about "not everyone".
I mean, you're coming in here, saying "It's my opinion" than going on weird accusatory actions at anyone who disagrees with you then saying stuff like
it doesn't make you look like someone only here to "state your opnion"
Neither did I tbh. The motion controls were excellent, it's the rest of the game that was mediocre.
A shame because I really did want to see how some of the story beats would pay off.
"huge distracting arguments over videogames"
It really sucks that this is still all this is to some people.
It really sucks that this is still all this is to some people.
People want games to be taken as seriously as literature and cinema, an end to that 'for kids' stigma, but then can't take hard criticism of their favorite games or bounce to a "it's just a game, leave politics out of it" stance.
It often doesn't make any difference.
It's a Nintendo thread.
Nintendo fans are one of the most conservative fanbases around.
What THE FUCK!?! People wanna act like this toxic mysoginist bully culture ain't a thing in games or the internet at large. I hope you won't get any threats at your home because of that. That's fucking sick.
The point is that he doesn't immediately want to suck your dick, which every relevant female character pretty much does. If you want most characters to have a positive reaction to the self-insert character, at least give me some male/female friendship. Don't make every female character want to get dicked by your shitty self-insert.
I definitely don't agree with Keijo being otaku pandering. The manga is one of the best sports manga that I ever read with a premise that initially is absurd but the author was able to create a new sport with it and it works great as it is with it's rules and absurdities. Also, all woman in that manga have their own agency, with the two protagonists getting clear objectives, personalities, abilities and they're also really developed as characters.
The anime is mediocre, I agree. It ignored a good portion of the manga and development of the two main characters but the manga is really good.
We need to make some things clear. A manga or anime with terrible/bad sales doesn't means that it is otaku pandering. It just means that these were failures with the public.
Just in Shounen Jump, for example, we have failures of new manga every year with bad sales and reception from the public but it doesn't mean it.
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The major issues with SS for me was incredible recycling and repetition during the second half (the game basically has three besides the sky world: the desert, the forest and the volcano, so it sends you twice to each), so if you only played up to then, you probably saw the best of it.
Yeah, my feeling is that it might end up being tiresome. But imagine the freedom in a game already rife with it?
Thanks!
You've been told this already, so again, quote the specific post you have issues with or stop trying to start shit with generalized accusations and lies.
Wait, what the flying fuck!?
How is Tangled a shining beacon of representation or feminism? Rapunzel is pretty much a naive blank slate until Flynn brings her out of her tower and shows her the world. And it's seven years old, which is next to nothing for cinematography. If anything, calling it progressive shows how bad things are for Disney!
The problem with Nintendo is that they have actually regressed. Again, compare NES / SNES Metroid with anything made by Disney and it looks radically progressive, and that was back in the 80s.
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Hey, compare NES SMB 2 (western release). Long before Mario could fly we had Peach as a playable character, hovering around and throwing turnips-of-death at amphibian tyrants with the best of 'em while Jasmine was still batting her eyelids at some rich guy with a flying rug :D
These types of Nintendo fans are fucking embarrassing and disservice themselves, the community, and even Nintendo by trying to suppress any criticism and progress.
Mario can turn into a frog and Link's main outfit is blue but you can't discuss anything "crazy" like the ongoing issues concerning Nintendo unless it's about something like their shitty eshop?
I love Nintendo games and Mario is my God, but GTFO with your bullshit.
Mario can turn into a frog and Link's main outfit is blue but you can't discuss anything "crazy" like the ongoing issues concerning Nintendo unless it's about something like their shitty eshop?
I love Nintendo games and Mario is my God, but GTFO with your bullshit.
4 years ago you could play as Peach in Super Mario 3D World, you know that, right?
I'll disagree. Nintendo didn't regressed, they're getting better and better with most of this aspect with time. You can obvious still see some problems in some game or another developed by them but they're definitely getting better in this regard.
Now, about Monolith, Intelligent Systems with Fire Emblem, Gamefreak with Pokemon and other external companies it's another history.
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