Err.. The Toei Subway is operated and fully owned by the Tokyo Metropolitan Bureau of Transportation and has been profitable for over 12 years now. In the past when it wasn't profitable it was running to provide much needed service to the older parts of Tokyo that private companies (and even JR when it was JNR) wouldn't provide. As expected it has come good since the only reason it was running at a 'loss' in the first place was the construction costs of the new lines which are now paying for themselves. Tokyo Metro (as TRTA) was operated by the Ministry of Transport and jointly owned by the Japanese and Tokyo governments until privitization in 2004. Since then they have retained their complete joint ownership. It has also been profitable throughout almost its entire history.
Wow! and we Londoners complain about the Underground..compared to this we in heaven lolYep , people using this station are on a Fallout game every day....
Im sure it will be way more than that by the time theyre done in 150 years
New Metro 2033 game looking mighty fine.Yep , people using this station are on a Fallout game every day....
Wow, did you take that picture? That actually looks pretty awesome! Looks like something out of a movie. New York and the subway system has always intrigued me, I'm going to have to make my way up there and ride it sometime.Yep , people using this station are on a Fallout game every day....
According to Wikipedia, Boston's covers only 38 miles, while New York's covers 236 miles. You really cannot compare Boston to New York.
I agree 100%, but good luck getting the rest of the country to agree to it.
As someone who has used the Boston subway, no. It's shit. The NYC system covers way more ground and is a billion times easier to navigate. Plus it doesn't shut down at night and you never have to walk across the tracks.
This is how some of the lines are currently run, a signal system from the 20s and 30s:
The Tokyo metro and London underground/overground definitely disagree with hat assessment. 20 years ago the underground was awful, I hated getting it, fast forward 20 years and we've got new trains on all the lines, the overground is fast and efficient, we have overnight service on the two nights of the week that matter and there's a new line opening this year and another new line under consideration (with support from the government and the mayor). It has 250 miles of track and 11 different lines with 1.3bn rides per year plus the overground which is another 80 miles worth of track and 200m ridership.
Apart from the Bakerloo line, still limping along on grubby 1972 stock :( - with the (admittedly very swish) replacement not due on that line till 2033, when the trains will be 60 years old!
Interesting. I lived in Stockholm for ten years and my experience is that sl is awful-to-mediocre, while also being the most expensive subway I've ever used. Now I live in Japan, which makes sl and SJ look like third world institutions.
First its called El Trains, what the hell at supways. Second, El trains in the entire City? Man have you ever seen pics of the 7 Lines running from LIC to Flushing, or the Yellow Lines to Ditmars? The only good looking thing about em is the aqueduct, and even then it feels like it belong in a 1920s nostalgia fever dream. And then you have the Els in Bronx and Brooklyn, which in some places basically have a cardboard box dangling in mid air for a station. It'd be hilarious though to see them try and build Els in Manhattan, the shitstorm would be Legendary.
Look, if you need to remove 24/7 service from time to time for maintenance, fine. Just pick the least busy day/week of the year and do a surge on bus/taxi/Uber/ferry service and I would understand and accept it. But the general rule should be 24/7 service.
The maintenance required is more than that which can be done by taking down 24/7 service for a week.
I was referring to normal preventative maintenance. To do a complete refurbish like what is being suggested? Sure, do whatever you gotta do, but return to 24/7 eventually.
Those lines are 1910s technology though - elevated rail has long evolved past them and are way safer, quieter and more aesthetically pleasing these days.
Even normal preventative maintenance after a hypothetical complete refurbishment.
Possibly. You could just do a surge on that week, and knock out the critical areas. The subway has functioned for over a hundred years on this basic system. With a decent maintenance plan and a complete refurbishment, you could do it. Somehow our road system functions 24/7 with concurrent maintenance. Where there's a will there's a way.
