I'm sure those people would be thrilled to see that their hard work has deteriorated so much.
Sure. The Subway OPENED with 24/7 service. I'm sure they would be quite annoyed with that ending as well.
So lets just waste a ton of unnecessary time and money because we dont want to be inconvenienced. Sounds like America alright.
Yup. Because we have the time and money to not be inconvenienced. That's what a luxury is.
Im sure people in New York City would rather have a functioning subway system than a 24/7 one. I know I would.
The two are not mutually exclusive. One is just more expensive.
I agree that there needs to be more accessibility but when are you going to have time to rebuild these stations to include access without shutting it down? Slapping an elevator in isnt a 2 hour job.
Close the stations that are being worked on.
Maybe NYC voters do, not upstate. I'd rather shut it down for part of the night to save money and make repairs easier. And yes, upstate voters do give a shit how much it costs. And I can assure you, upstate voters care about ending the 24/7 service if it saves money. At least everyone I've talked to about it.
Frankly, upstate voters shouldn't pay for anything. NYC should pay for its subway in total because it's operation doesn't concern you. You should have no say in the matter. That's why I proposed the penny sales tax. Souther cities use these to keep the conservative states out of their goddamn business (to the extent they can, they still fuck when them in the usual ways). The only reason Atlanta has MARTA for example is because the taxpayers in Atlanta (and the counties it serves) fund the entire thing. Now MARTA isn't NYC's subway, but NYC itself has alot more money and people within its actual jurisdiction to pay for shit than Atlanta.
They actually do... When you have to start asking for federal and state money (regardless of how much money given to those governments), that is when you are using money from people who aren't even using the service. Costs DO matter.
How do you not understand, that is it exceptionally, costly and longer to fix issues like this when you have the service continually running? Its best to give the workers 5 hours everyday except maybe weekends so they can dedicate that time to fixing it and use the labor that is sitting idly by while still getting paid.
I understand it is more costly- though I'm unsure of the exact context and the nature of these repairs as well. Are this "one time" repairs that are a result of the system being a century old that we won't have to worry about for another 50-80 years, or are these repairs that need to be done every 6 months? I imagine most of the repairs you're talking about are the latter. For those 50-80 year repairs, let's shut the system down at night for however long it takes to make repairs on each line and reopen it at 24/7 service. The few remaining " regularly scheduled maintenance" repairs can be scheduled during the course of the year with intermittent shutdowns according to some regular, publicly available schedule. That's how we need to parse it. Not by ending 24/7 service.
Can you stop with this? The south have nowhere near the mass transit levels of the north (exception of maybe DC area), hell the bus service in the south is abysmal, that is why over 80% commute by car and 76% of them literally drive to work solo. Money is only part of the issue and NYC already have high taxes. Also NYCs costs is dramatically higher than the south's infrastructure projects. They are no where near comparable since its close to nonexistent.
A penny sales tax wouldn't be enough. Los Angeles County (the county, not the city, with a larger population than NYC) has a penny sales tax and it raises only $1.8 billion per year. That would only pay for half a mile of track on the East Side Access.
New York City's population is 83% of LA County's, so if we assume the amount of sales in they counties is similar, an NYC penny sales tax (Are you sure it's a full penny? Sometimes they're fractional penny taxes.) would be $1.5 billion dollars a year. Right. Now there's this thing called a bond. The city would issue a 20 year bond to fund $30 billion dollars in repairs immediately. The penny sales tax would remain in place for 20 years to simultaneously pay off the bond. If that sounds like a long time, Southern cities typically have penny sales taxes in place for 10 years at a time, and then often reinstate them before they expire to fund more maintenance- so this isn't at all unprecedented.
And that's the most basic financing method. The city could also use what's called "tax increment financing" to pay for alot of the repairs if it had to and a million other means based on the fact its fucking New York City.
Do you have any statistics that says voters want 24/7 service, especially if they were told giving it up could help improve service?
Nah, but I figure people would be royally pissed about it. I know I'm royally pissed NJ Transit isn't 24/7, but that's the state of our half-assed system.