Star Wars Battlefront II |OT| The Circle is Now Complete

PanzerKraken · Jan 8, 2018

Olengie said:
all theyre going to say is "it's too early for any new information"

They need to just talk, say anything, nothing ground breaking or game changing, but keeping a line open cause all they are doing is building up the player base negativity towards the game. Simple things like "we plan to fix that", or "looking into it" to acknowledge common concerns. Typically if you got stuff in the works, its a big ol list of tweaks, changes, and updates that they can slowly reveal. To just be completely silent though is a bad look.

MAX PAYMENT · Jan 8, 2018

Spartancarver said:
Fucking steamed right now, had to quit the game and step away after I lost a Luke to Supercharged Sentry spam and then I lost Rey because their Palpatine decided to camp UNDER the objective (Phase 2 Kashyyyk) and fire his max range Purple'd out lightning attack up through multiple floors and walls and continually stagger me and keep my stamina fully depleted.

Inept fucks at DICE. I hope their studio gets shut down by EA and folded into ancillary support staff for actual competent studios. Fuck I'm mad right now. So fucking stupid.

His basic lightning attack goes through walls?

Spartancarver · Jan 8, 2018

MAX PAYMENT said:
His basic lightning attack goes through walls?

Yup. Check my last post for a gif of it

MAX PAYMENT · Jan 8, 2018

AlternateAir · Jan 8, 2018

Stupid thing I only just realized now as I'm trying to mop up that Last Jedi themed Starfighter Assault challenge:

You can hold the left trigger to zoom in. This makes the 'leading circle' like 10 times larger to hit.

I went from getting like 3-5 kills a game to getting 10. Should make wrapping up the 20 Bomber kills I need pretty easy as the last 15 for Interceptor was knocked out in one match following my discovery of this. Such a stupid thing, but I never thought to try it cause it wasn't a 'gun' and you'r in the third person view. (I mean, I know you can change to in cockpit but that seems harder to have a sense of your surrounding.)

Anyways, I feel like I an idiot and felt like I should share my moment of idiocy. Maybe I'll actually have fun in SA now!

ZeroX · Jan 8, 2018

Spartancarver said:
Inept fucks at DICE. I hope their studio gets shut down by EA and folded into ancillary support staff for actual competent studios. Fuck I'm mad right now. So fucking stupid.

Take a break from the game and stop making stupid statements. Yeah it sucks but that's no reason to say things like this.

Olengie · Jan 8, 2018

Yea. I dont want DICE to die like Visceral

Nephilim · Jan 8, 2018

Dice is one of the top studios in the industry imo.

Spartancarver · Jan 8, 2018

Yeah it sucks but that's no reason to say things like this.

Isn't it? A shoddy job like this in any other industry would probably have some consequences

Olengie said:
Yea. I dont want DICE to die like Visceral

Nephilim said:
Dice is one of the top studios in the industry imo.

DICE LA maybe. DICE Stockholm are responsible for this mess and the shitshow that was BF4 at launch before LA came and fixed things.

Stockholm deserves to get folded into support for LA but they won't, EA needs them for quick cashgrabs like SWBF2.

ZeroX · Jan 8, 2018

Spartancarver said:
Isn't it? A shoddy job like this in any other industry would probably have some consequences

DICE LA maybe. DICE Stockholm are responsible for this mess and the shitshow that was BF4 at launch before LA came and fixed things.

Stockholm deserves to get folded into support for LA but they won't, EA needs them for quick cashgrabs like SWBF2.

No, it's not okay to call for people to lose their jobs over game balance. Grow the fuck up.

Spartancarver · Jan 8, 2018

ZeroX said:
No, it's not okay to call for people to lose their jobs over game balance. Grow the fuck up.

In what other industry is it acceptable to leave a broken product unfixed for 2 months and counting?

That lightning shit isn't a game balance issue. Dunno why accountability is such a foreign concept in this industry

ZeroX · Jan 8, 2018

Spartancarver said:
In what other industry is it acceptable to leave a broken product unfixed for 2 months and counting?

That lightning shit isn't a game balance issue. Dunno why accountability is such a foreign concept in this industry

Accountability and calling for job losses over something that 99% of the staff have no control over are two very different things. They don't choose when the game ships and where resources are allocated. You are calling for people to lose their livelihood because you're unhappy with a game. Just don't say stupid shit like that. It's not hard. If you've got such big problem and anger over the game: stop playing.

Either way, grow up (unless you're a teenager, I have no idea, but this isn't adult behavior)

Spartancarver · Jan 8, 2018

Lol fine, the 1% of the staff at DICE responsible for the game shopping in this state should lose their jobs, and the other 99% should go support DICE LA.

Whatever. There needs to be consequences for the game shipping in and being left in this state

ZeroX · Jan 8, 2018

Spartancarver said:
Lol fine, the 1% of the staff at DICE responsible for the game shopping in this state should lose their jobs, and the other 99% should go support DICE LA.

Whatever. There needs to be consequences for the game shipping in and being left in this state

So you've changed your position to now let's move hundreds of people from Stockholm to LA? No, you're still basically just calling for job losses.

Just walk back your dumb statement. It's a fucking game and you're calling for extreme shit. EA losing money is the consequences.

MAX PAYMENT · Jan 8, 2018

Spartancarver said:
In what other industry is it acceptable to leave a broken product unfixed for 2 months and counting?

That lightning shit isn't a game balance issue. Dunno why accountability is such a foreign concept in this industry

There are terrible products in every size shape and color.

If you have surgery done, and they mess it up, you have to pay to have it done again.

Spartancarver · Jan 8, 2018

ZeroX said:
So you've changed your position to now let's move hundreds of people from Stockholm to LA? No, you're still basically just calling for job losses.

Just walk back your dumb statement. It's a fucking game and you're calling for extreme shit. EA losing money is the consequences.

Except it's a tech company, they don't need to be onsite to help. Ubisoft spreads game development over multiple studios all over the world.

I don't think Motive and Criterion were in the same building as DICE making this game.

My bad, I work in a field where accountability and performance-based review is actually a thing, I shouldn't expect other industries to adhere to the same standards.

Game is fine, $60 well spent, can't wait for the MTX to be put back in before any of the major bugs or issues are fixed.

MAX PAYMENT said:
If you have surgery done, and they mess it up, you have to pay to have it done again.

You also get to sue them to the point where you never have to work another day. Doesn't make up for a botched surgery, but at least there's some level of accountability there.

Nephilim · Jan 8, 2018

Spartancarver said:
Lol fine, the 1% of the staff at DICE responsible for the game shopping in this state should lose their jobs, and the other 99% should go support DICE LA.

Whatever. There needs to be consequences for the game shipping in and being left in this state

DICE Stockholm develops the things. L.A. is the support studio.
Yes i'm angry too how they handle this game, but don't let us get mad, it's only a game.

Spartancarver · Jan 8, 2018

Nephilim said:
DICE Stockholm develops the things. L.A. is the support studio.
Yes i'm angry too how they handle this game, but don't let us get mad, it's only a game.

The roles need to be reversed then. I'm not sure how many people were there for BF4 at launch.

Nonfunctional is not an exaggeration. The game did not work until DICE LA stepped in.

ZeroX · Jan 8, 2018

Spartancarver said:
My bad, I work in a field where accountability and performance-based review is actually a thing, I shouldn't expect other industries to adhere to the same standards.

Now imagine if an outside party called for you to lose your job because of things out of your control. A couple of bosses made some decisions that you had no input on and now you're losing your livelihood. You're getting abused by people daily on social media because they're angry. That's what you're doing. You aren't the boss or performance evaluator of DICE. Just shut your mouth. I don't know how this is hard for you to understand.

And yes you can have international support Studios, but let's not ignore EA's history. It's a death knell.

tellNoel · Jan 8, 2018

It's getting a little hot in here.
I agree there are things that need fixing about this game but it's like people have said, most studios are under time requirements by publishers and it's not their fault if they are forced to ship an unfinished game.
On top of that, every time a patch/update is added to the game, that costs the publisher even more money so that's why they have to take even longer to put those out.

MAX PAYMENT · Jan 8, 2018

TearablePuns said:
It's getting a little hot in here.
I agree there are things that need fixing about this game but it's like people have said, most studios are under time requirements by publishers and it's not their fault if they are forced to ship an unfinished game.
On top of that, every time a patch/update is added to the game, that costs the publisher even more money so that's why they have to take even longer to put those out.

Only Nintendo puts out games that are finished on day one.
Buy a game, expect it to be beta level completion.

Fj0823 · Jan 8, 2018

MAX PAYMENT said:
Only Nintendo puts out games that are finished on day one.
Buy a game, expect it to be beta level completion.

Bull. Shit.

Many games are perfect day 1

MAX PAYMENT · Jan 8, 2018

Fj0823 said:
Bull. Shit.

Many games are perfect day 1

I haven't played any. They all become worth playing 8 months after release.

tellNoel · Jan 8, 2018

I wouldn't use the word perfect, but yes, I do agree that many games that release when launched run very well

Fj0823 · Jan 8, 2018

MAX PAYMENT said:
I haven't played any. They all become worth playing 8 months after release.

Horizon? Nier Automata? Persona 5?

DustyVonErich · Jan 8, 2018

This fn glitchy ass game.

Got stuck in the respawn screen (that shows your squad when you're about to spawn in) for the whole last part of GA Endor. Wth, man.

I got stuck just looking at my three squad mates as our team tickets whittled down.

I least wanted to see if I'd get credit for the round. Nope. It kicked me just as the Overtime ended. No credits for that round.

I feel cheated. Jeez, Dice. Smh

MAX PAYMENT · Jan 8, 2018

Fj0823 said:
Horizon? Nier Automata? Persona 5?

Of those, I've only played horizon. I had to play it without the day 1 patch because I played it on deployment. While playable, it was pretty messy.

Fj0823 · Jan 8, 2018

MAX PAYMENT said:
Of those, I've only played horizon. I had to play it without the day 1 patch because I played it on deployment. While playable, it was pretty messy.

Spartancarver · Jan 8, 2018

Horizon at launch should be an embarrassment to other devs that release sloppy, half finished work. That game was immaculate from Day 1 and STILL got tons of patches and support for even the minor bugs that the majority of players never experienced.

That's the standard other games should be held to.

MAX PAYMENT · Jan 8, 2018

Spartancarver said:
Horizon at launch should be an embarrassment to other devs that release sloppy, half finished work. That game was immaculate from Day 1 and STILL got tons of patches and support for even the minor bugs that the majority of players never experienced.

That's the standard other games should be held to.

Horizon is good, but not that good.

17 Seconds · Jan 8, 2018

there's.no way to see stats in this game?

Loverdose · Jan 8, 2018

seriously, this is just a game, calm down, by reacting like this, we do down as angry nerds and boys that got their toy crushed.

Yeah, the game is so cool that this whole thing is a mess. But give them time maybe. And if they make another BF, we will be there at launch watching.

Toytown Assassin · Jan 8, 2018

17 Seconds said:
there's.no way to see stats in this game?

nope. In some ways I like it. No worries over kill/death bs and the kids boasting about how much better than me they are...... On the other hand I'd love to know just how grim my win/loss stat is and if it is over/under 0.1 :D

Xzan · Jan 9, 2018

I know DICE games have a history of questionable matchmaking (team balancing, etc.) but the latest EA rant from Jim Sterling is pretty interesting (and disturbing). I don't think its already been posted elsewhere but:

The intro is about dynamic difficulty but the good stuff starts from around 3:30. Essentially, the EA research paper states that winning too much reduces player engagement and, therefore, increases churn. More churn means less opportunity to spend.

I'm not posting this as an anti-monetisation complaint about SWBF2 specifically (though I hate the idea of lootboxes in general) but I think it gives an idea of how likely EA/DICE is to fix the skill-based matchmaking (pun intended) since they're focused on player retention, not enjoyment. The MTX will return at some point, after all.

Obviously, this is not on a per match basis but trending over play sessions, and the non-existent team balancing/shuffling absolutely should be fixed. But, in EA's own words, their 'metrics of interest' appear to be something other than ensuring two evenly matched teams of players since 'fairness is not optimal'.

Olengie · Jan 9, 2018

Sounds like I'll be playing with teams of Purple Card Players. lol.

Olengie · Jan 9, 2018

Did they change the amount of credits earned?

If I did well, I used to earn 610, now it is 550

Nephilim · Jan 9, 2018

DustyVonErich said:
This fn glitchy ass game.

Got stuck in the respawn screen (that shows your squad when you're about to spawn in) for the whole last part of GA Endor. Wth, man.

I got stuck just looking at my three squad mates as our team tickets whittled down.

I least wanted to see if I'd get credit for the round. Nope. It kicked me just as the Overtime ended. No credits for that round.

I feel cheated. Jeez, Dice. Smh

That happened to me too. Endor. Last phase as attackers.

Nephilim · Jan 9, 2018

Xzan said:
I know DICE games have a history of questionable matchmaking (team balancing, etc.) but the latest EA rant from Jim Sterling is pretty interesting (and disturbing). I don't think its already been posted elsewhere but:

The intro is about dynamic difficulty but the good stuff starts from around 3:30. Essentially, the EA research paper states that winning too much reduces player engagement and, therefore, increases churn. More churn means less opportunity to spend.

I'm not posting this as an anti-monetisation complaint about SWBF2 specifically (though I hate the idea of lootboxes in general) but I think it gives an idea of how likely EA/DICE is to fix the skill-based matchmaking (pun intended) since they're focused on player retention, not enjoyment. The MTX will return at some point, after all.

Obviously, this is not on a per match basis but trending over play sessions, and the non-existent team balancing/shuffling absolutely should be fixed. But, in EA's own words, their 'metrics of interest' appear to be something other than ensuring two evenly matched teams of players since 'fairness is not optimal'.

While there are undoubtely psycological tricks in social media and videogames to keep you addicted, i'm a little bit sceptical on this take tough.
I can only talk for myself: the actual matchmaking is non existent, in some ways gamebreaking to the point i quit the game and move to other things. Psycologically it brings me the desire to not invest time or money into such a busted system. It pushes me away from the game because it's boring and demotivates me, wich is exactly the opposite state, what they were suppousedly aiming for. There is no doubt about lootboxes to be a psycological trap, but on this one i think (judging from my expirience), if it is true, the psycologist must revisit some strategies imo.

Toytown Assassin · Jan 9, 2018

Deliberate or not I think we can agree it's got the worst matchmaking in any online video game ever.

Deleted member 1627 · Jan 9, 2018

I had a super fun game of Heroes vs Villains last night. Pick Maul. Match starts. Run into a tussle. Throw lightsaber. It never comes back. Now I can't attack. At all. Other than throwing the lightsaber that never came back. I last 5 points before finally being taken out. All 5 kills were against my team. We lose. Hard. Quit HvV.

I had to laugh.

Xzan · Jan 9, 2018

Nephilim said:
While there are undoubtely psycological tricks in social media and videogames to keep you addicted, i'm a little bit sceptical on this take tough.
I can only talk for myself: the actual matchmaking is non existent, in some ways gamebreaking to the point i quit the game and move to other things. Psycologically it brings me the desire to not invest time or money into such a busted system. It pushes me away from the game because it's boring and demotivates me, wich is exactly the opposite state, what they were suppousedly aiming for. There is no doubt about lootboxes to be a psycological trap, but on this one i think (judging from my expirience), if it is true, the psycologist must revisit some strategies imo.

Oh, I agree that the current system is busted rather than intentionally the way it is, and this appears to be just a research paper. But it does give an insight into EA's priorities for matchmaking. For example, in the highlighted text at 8m30s, EA considers player spend a 'core game metric of interest' for matchmaking purposes. I'm sure it's nothing to do with maximising profits, they just want to keep players engaged by protecting them from the P2W whales ;)

It'd be interesting to see the overlap between what EA proposes and Activision's MTX matchmaking patent in our glorious GaaS future. But for now the matchmaking appears simply incompetent rather than nefarious. It's been putting me off playing to the point where I've sunk nearly 80 hours into Skyrim SE in the past two weeks like its 2011 all over again instead of jumping into GA/SA to gri... level up my blue cards to purples.

Spartancarver · Jan 9, 2018

Xzan said:
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Man, I remember when they claimed, in an official release, that the game's matchmaking would only put you up against similarly geared opponents in terms of Star Cards and unlocks.

What a bald-faced fucking lie that was.

At this point I'm just excited in a morbidly curious way to find out how hard they're going to infect Anthem with this nonsense. It's gonna be like Destiny 2 on steroids x 100

PaypayTR · Jan 9, 2018

Its bs they still dont write a shit about upcoming support. Im selling this game tomorrow and never buying any ea game

Ghostavus · Jan 9, 2018

Even with the shady business model and radio silence, I am really enjoying this game still! Startfighter Assault in particular is amazingly fun and makes me want a full space game.

However, I hope we get a few new modes. I think Galactic Assault will wear out, and I would simply like to see a Conquest style mode like Battlefield. Seems like it would be fantastic for this game!

Deleted member 135 · Jan 9, 2018

I've got the hosting for swbfii.com for another two years and I don't know what to do with the site any more. I just hope any announcement this week's reinvigorates my enthusiasm for this game.

janusff · Jan 9, 2018

I imagine we'll hear something by next week. I may not be a full fledged road map of upcoming content but perhaps something else.

Spartancarver · Jan 9, 2018

Thinking back to the beta and the days leading up to the launch of this game and how unbelievably hyped I was.

I was one of the staunchest defenders of the game back on the other forum when the beta was coming under fire for hints of Pay2Win and the progression system. No way it's that bad, the prices were just altered for the beta, the gameplay is phenomenal, this is DICE they won't let us down, this beta is already so polished, etc etc

What a wake up call this has been. Don't remember the last time I was so hyped for a game and let down so hard. This is worse than Destiny and Halo 4 for me.

Nephilim · Jan 9, 2018

Despite all this negative press and unsure future of the game, i want to highlight some positive aspects of BF2.

When you are lucky enough to enter a server with balanced teams, this game is simply phenomenal fun. It's so tense to get in overtime, you literally can feel the frenetic action and how everybody is trying to make the difference in turning the battle into a win. The firefights are great thanks to awesome movement/controls/gunplay and the hit feedback is really satisfying. You got Starfighter Assault, wich is high Star Wars athmosphere that could be a game on its own. SA generally is a graphical masterpiece, period. What is often overlooked is that this game released with huge amount of content.

Having played this title since the beta and pretty much daily after release, i can safely say that this is the perfect Star Wars game for my tastes. Matchmaking truly is a gamebreaker at the moment and my biggest gripe. The nebulous future of the game is killing me.

Owlowiscious · Jan 9, 2018

Alternatively in an unbalanced game I run forward and die

And in a balanced game I run forward and die in a longer match

Spartancarver complains when he wins too much and complains when someone finds a way to slightly annoy him while he still wins. You really should take a step back from the game

HellforLeather · Jan 9, 2018

Im starting to wrap up all the weapon unlocks and clear off a bunch of challenges (except for a few that I will never complete because theyre ridiculous) so Im really hoping that they add more base challenges to the game...maybe more weapons?

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