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I hope Aonuma does make a stealth game. That seemed to be the "I have been told I must make new IP" game he was floating that for as far as I can tell.
I'm expecting things like multiplayer, party, and non-traditional expanded audience games from new IP. I have a chance of having fun with such, but also a high chance of skipping them personally and either way not being too invested.
I'm expecting things like multiplayer, party, and non-traditional expanded audience games from new IP. I have a chance of having fun with such, but also a high chance of skipping them personally and either way not being too invested.
That's pretty much me. Some of those things can and have appealed to me in the past, but I would love to see a couple really meaty experiences mixed in there.
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I don't really have any evidence for this but I really feel like Nintendo is trying to recapture the N64 days for NA with games like BotW and Odyssey, and I feel like a lot of anecdotal reports from people who say they "haven't had a Nintendo product since the N64" or whatever seems to indicate this is working. Or that they seem to be recapturing lapsed Nintendo fans in general.
With the recent(ish) trademark renewal for Wave Race I wonder if they want to revive other N64-like IPs like that. Just general thoughts I guess.
With the recent(ish) trademark renewal for Wave Race I wonder if they want to revive other N64-like IPs like that. Just general thoughts I guess.
Pikmin 4 should come out this year. It just makes sense.
Is that or never to be honest.
Is he even in the gaming industry anymore? I haven't heard anything from him since he finished the Mother series.
Is that or never to be honest.
Is he even in the gaming industry anymore? I haven't heard anything from him since he finished the Mother series.
I don't see any N64 relation with what they're doing at all.
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The ethos of the hardware design was to look at the best elements of all of previous Nintendo's systems - so if anything some of the software design is based around that.
BotW got an OoT like reimagining of the series, and OoT like reception, and Odyssey is basically the successor to 64. I agree there's really not much evidence there but it's a feeling I get.
That's why I said for NA. The whole Switch strategy seems to be appealing to the strengths of each market in the best way Nintendo has in the past.
OoT wasn't a reimagining of the series really and BotW goes back to Zelda 1 anyway. If you really wanted to make a case for it you would point out how they're going after more Western publishers (Bethesda specifically) with M-rated IP which is actually a bit more in the N64 vein with the Western third party library being one if the systems weird key characteristics.
Probably Xenoblade. Splatoon is ok, but I not particularly exciting to me. As you can imagine though new IPs from the DS/Wii era and beyond have been pretty hit or miss for me. I will say Ever Oasis looked interesting even though I never picked it up.
I think I'm waiting for EPD to create something that stands up to the likes of Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc.
I mean, BotW doesn't go back to OoT--it rebukes it and aLttP--but the frequent refrain is still "I want that sense of scope and adventure I found in OoT again." I think even Aonuma put it that way iirc. What was that scope and freedom that was "lost" was rather something OoT never had except relative to changing perceptions.
Beyond that, Odyssey is explicitly playing to pre-Wii 3D Mario, another thing, for which hardcore fans have been clamoring.
I think that last bit is important. Zelda is historically incredibly responsive to fan demand, even if the final shape doesn't actually meet fan demand, through a mixture of fans not knowing what they want and the application of fan feedback being still largely internally driven and shaped, but the shift to Mario is a strong change of direction from the "3D was a mistake" years of trying to bring non-3D Mario fans around to platforming in 3D and essentially redoing the 3D jump. Odyssey is the first game in a long time that banks on "Mario 64 was a success" instead of "Mario 64 didn't quite do what we wanted and left behind too many 2D fans."
I think what we're seeing is reminiscent of GCN and N64 Nintendo insofar as Nintendo is, atm, speaking and appealing directly to hardcore fans, who tend to be fans of those systems.
But yes, there is also the Bethesda angle and it is also worth remembering that Nintendo sought them out and advertised Skyrim heavily.
Nintendo is making a play for the core western audience, which is something it had best on N64 and previous systems, but not so well since then. So that's going to bring N64 to mind.
Tbc, I say this as someone who was doubtful of both Odyssey and BotW direction changes going in and who never had a 64 despite wanting one :P.
Beyond that, Odyssey is explicitly playing to pre-Wii 3D Mario, another thing, for which hardcore fans have been clamoring.
I think that last bit is important. Zelda is historically incredibly responsive to fan demand, even if the final shape doesn't actually meet fan demand, through a mixture of fans not knowing what they want and the application of fan feedback being still largely internally driven and shaped, but the shift to Mario is a strong change of direction from the "3D was a mistake" years of trying to bring non-3D Mario fans around to platforming in 3D and essentially redoing the 3D jump. Odyssey is the first game in a long time that banks on "Mario 64 was a success" instead of "Mario 64 didn't quite do what we wanted and left behind too many 2D fans."
I think what we're seeing is reminiscent of GCN and N64 Nintendo insofar as Nintendo is, atm, speaking and appealing directly to hardcore fans, who tend to be fans of those systems.
But yes, there is also the Bethesda angle and it is also worth remembering that Nintendo sought them out and advertised Skyrim heavily.
Nintendo is making a play for the core western audience, which is something it had best on N64 and previous systems, but not so well since then. So that's going to bring N64 to mind.
Tbc, I say this as someone who was doubtful of both Odyssey and BotW direction changes going in and who never had a 64 despite wanting one :P.
Doubt we're getting 2D Mario this year now. Between Kirby, Donkey Kong, and Yoshi is there room for yet another 2D platformer?
Considering they should be all out by July, there's still room for a holiday 2D Platformer be it Mario Maker DX or a new Super Mario Bros.
So question is now was Retro porting DKCTF to Switch themselves or was another second party taking care of it.
And we can fill in the Camelot blank.
And we can fill in the Camelot blank.
As someone who is mostly tired of 2D platformers...that sounds like a terrible year to me. :/
Is just wish one day Nintendo will ever allow Camelot to work on something else other than Mario Sports :\
January: Not that much
Feb: Bayonetta
March: Kirby!
April: Maybe Hyrule Warriors?
May: DKC
June: Mario Tennis probably
July: Yoshi maybe? Maybe they retooled the game though because the reactions to it were so muted and uninterested.
August-December: Well, Fire Emblem probably.... And hopefully other games.
For people who have had a WiiU, this is honestly extremely uninteresting for most of the year.
Not sure this lineup will play well at all in America either.
Hopefully there's a few more games in August to December that are actually big games. I doubt Nintendo has a non-port they're making that can break an 85 Metacritic in the first seven months of the year though.
It probably took 15 people a total of like three months to port this game.
Feb: Bayonetta
March: Kirby!
April: Maybe Hyrule Warriors?
May: DKC
June: Mario Tennis probably
July: Yoshi maybe? Maybe they retooled the game though because the reactions to it were so muted and uninterested.
August-December: Well, Fire Emblem probably.... And hopefully other games.
For people who have had a WiiU, this is honestly extremely uninteresting for most of the year.
Not sure this lineup will play well at all in America either.
Hopefully there's a few more games in August to December that are actually big games. I doubt Nintendo has a non-port they're making that can break an 85 Metacritic in the first seven months of the year though.
It probably took 15 people a total of like three months to port this game.
Yeah... looks like my Switch will be collecting dust* til E3. And even when E3 comes, whatever games are announced will probably still be a few months away.
*not quite actually , still need to play Hollow Knight and Steamworld Dig 2.
Technically you're still in Year One till March. So I don't see the issue with this lineup.
Port everything over and save that software from Wii U. You got some surprising ports heading to Switch. This didn't even include all the great 3rd party stuff you'll see in 2018 like Hollow Knight.
Anybody let down did it to themselves with the foolish overhype
I feel like a lineup where your best new games up until maybe August are Kirby and Yoshi is generally bad.
Other than Octopath Traveler, is there a non-port for the Switch releasing pre-August that could score above an 85 on Metacritic or make any top 20 games of the year lists?
The Direct was overhyped to hell and back, but...that isn't what makes the lineup look unimpressive. It's mostly ports.
They need a big hitter in the first half of the year. Hopefully they just held back on announcing something.
I would have did it the same as Nintendo TBH, and keep the big hitter software for E3 and start the year with Ports.
They'll have something for end of year, but this period is good to let older software get a chance at market and let 3rd parties get more competitive and not feel like their competing with 1st party market space.
Also you have to consider that Nintendo went full out with brand new software during launch year. They pulled a reverse Sony where Sony didn't get jumping with 1st party on PS4 until 2015 and let that 2014 launch year spaced open.
Same instance with Nintendo in reverse, Ninty got jumping on launch year, so now they need this year to bring the hitters in 2019.
IMO this all but confirms that we'll have Smash for the end of this year, tied with a couple new releases and more surprising 3rd parties. And honestly, as long as Smash hits this year, they'll be fine.
I mean, I get the longing for a "bigger game" but Ill put it this way.
Nintendo is making the Switch a super attractive console to people who DIDNT buy a Wii U. Thats a way bigger marketable of users out there.
For people who DID buy a Wii U.... you were going to buy a Switch anyway lol
I wonder if we can go another year with Retro Studios not announcing a new game and not even having any social media presence >_>
Hopefully Retro's new game is very good and a big seller because I'm sure Nintendo regrets not having put them on Metroid Prime 4 since it would probably be done already and ready to release right now.
So their official year 2 looks like
March - Kirby SA (new)
Spring - Mario Tennis (new), DKTF (port), Hyrule Warriors (port)
Summer - ???
That's actually more content than their first year so far which was BOTW, MK8 and Arms (which was june so technically summer).
March - Kirby SA (new)
Spring - Mario Tennis (new), DKTF (port), Hyrule Warriors (port)
Summer - ???
That's actually more content than their first year so far which was BOTW, MK8 and Arms (which was june so technically summer).
Just a thought but after seeing the Mini direct and also knowing the line up of in house developed Nintendo titles on 3DS is basically zero (anything left other than that Sushi striker game?) is this an all time low for original, in house developed content from Nintendos internal studios? Nothing for Switch (Mario Tennis is by Camelot / Kirby is HAL?) and one (small) title on 3DS?
This is not a nintendoomed by any means - I think the Switch line-up is fine personally for 2018 so far but thought it was interesting considering many expected basically the opposite of this. Do we maybe think a stacked Q3/4 is on the horizon?
This is not a nintendoomed by any means - I think the Switch line-up is fine personally for 2018 so far but thought it was interesting considering many expected basically the opposite of this. Do we maybe think a stacked Q3/4 is on the horizon?
I wouldn't be surprised to see an FE Direct in February and then a general Switch/3DS Direct in March around the Switch's first anniversary. They clearly have more in store for this year, some probably in Q1/Q2 too.
I'm gonna repeat my laughter from the locked thread. The ~9 months after the Wii U launched was extremely brutal. This is about 500x better than that.
And they have more to unveil and announce.
I'm gonna repeat my laughter from the locked thread. The ~9 months after the Wii U launched was extremely brutal. This is about 500x better than that.
And they have more to unveil and announce.
Retro always struck me as an E3 game anyway. I'm more surprised we haven't seen something from EPD 4, 5, or 7 yet. Especially 4. They have to have something coming out this year but considering how many 2D platformers are already on the way I doubt it's Mario.
I feel like "technically more" is doing a lot of work when the Switch's 2017 first half lineup had a game that got a 97 Metacritic and won like 200 game of the year awards.
Man I thought summer started sooner than the 21st. It just barely snuck in there.
Still, I think my point stands so far. July-Dec will be interesting to see what happens. I'm fully expect a Smash port for the summer.
I think people would be generally unhappy with a Smash 4 port and a Smash 4 port would have made more sense in April than any other time.
Going seven months without big games and then having a port of Smash 4 (which already sold 15m units) as one of your big holiday games would pretty annoying to a lot of people.
I strongly doubt Pikmin 4 would be made by Nintendo EPD.
I can't imagine Nintendo using resources that could go to Animal Crossing or other big games like that on Pikmin 4, I'm guessing Nintendo found some people at Namco to help them.
Going seven months without big games and then having a port of Smash 4 (which already sold 15m units) as one of your big holiday games would pretty annoying to a lot of people.
I strongly doubt Pikmin 4 would be made by Nintendo EPD.
I can't imagine Nintendo using resources that could go to Animal Crossing or other big games like that on Pikmin 4, I'm guessing Nintendo found some people at Namco to help them.
The mystery surrounding Retro only continues to deepen for me. If they're not making a brand new IP I'm going to be shocked it's taken this long.
I would bet half that many people.
It's more content, but last year's titles were on quite a different level compared to the titles for this year. Still, I'm confident there'll be some awesome titles this year (FE is already confirmed, so that's great already).
Is that what I said? That the line-up was garbage? Because I'm pretty sure thats not at all what I said. I'm trying to ask FACTUALLY if this is the lowest amount of new, original content from Nintendo's internal studios for a long time - the line-up is fine for Switch but between releases for Switch and the 3DS we are talking about nearly ZERO original content from in house teams over a 6 month period and I thought that was an interesting point worth discussing - apparently I was wrong
Ah I didn't realize you were referring to in-house only. I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of other periods with low to no fully in-house developed games, since Nintendo does rely on its subsidiaries and partners quite often. I don't think this is anything remarkably new in that respect, but it does beg the question what are they all working on?
Also this assumes that they won't announce and release any new EPD developed games in that time span, which I actually think probably isn't the case. But I guess we'll see.
Sure, but I think you're overestimating how good this lineup is even for non-Wii U owners. None of these games are especially high sellers.
And yes, I'm sure Nintendo has some big games coming in the second half of the year...but that doesn't really help me for the next six+ months, does it? All I can say is I hope they have another new game they're slotting into April, because this is looking bleak atm.
Obviously this isn't what took them 4 years (if they even touched it themselves at all)
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