Again your responding with insults, it's a bit of a shame at this point. I made my statement and was prepared to move on while you are using personal insults, collect yourself.
Eric Clapton Apologizes For Racist Past
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Is "semi-racist" not a bit schizophrenic? So what, did he have Gollum-Smeagol type conversations with himself?
Gollpton: "Look at those black people! We musts hates them!"
Smericol "No, no, I am friends with some of them. We must give them a chance."
Gollpton: "Never, only by putting them Bagginses .. eh .. black people in their place can we rule!"
Smericol: "Well, if you put it like that ..."
Gollpton: "Look at those black people! We musts hates them!"
Smericol "No, no, I am friends with some of them. We must give them a chance."
Gollpton: "Never, only by putting them Bagginses .. eh .. black people in their place can we rule!"
Smericol: "Well, if you put it like that ..."
You're not clever, and you're not fooling anyone. Stop.
A shame your unwilling to engage in any examination of your own behavior.
Why is Butz so ignorant?
Can a professional chime in here?
and he was probably high on white drugs at the time. coke, heroine, you name it.
Can a professional chime in here?
someone who was really mainlining that shit like the best white drugs ever.
and he was probably high on white drugs at the time. coke, heroine, you name it.
He was a full blown racist and is trying to distance himself from it by trying the old "I had a black friend" shit.
He would have been better off not saying shit and just staying under his rock.
He would have been better off not saying shit and just staying under his rock.
Or maybe make a real apology and not do some "semi-racist" bullshit
was that a personal insult? I thought you were merely lacking information and therefore wrong and operating from ignorance. gee. I wonder how someone else must feel.
Just so people understand, he isn't coming out to say this stuff to promote a new CD or something. A friend of his did a documentary on his life - Eric Clapton: Life in 12 Bars - and it released in Dec 2017, and it takes a hard look at the racist things he said so thats where a lot of these current quotes are coming out of.
I really had no idea Eric Clapton was a racist in the 70s, doing a quick bit of reading does show some interesting things about that time. The backlash against Clapton in the music biz was pretty profound with the Rock Against Racism movement starting around the world almost as a direct result of his words, he basically was shunned by his peers for years. The political environment of the late 70s in England is also pretty interesting and scary - it wasn't uncommon for drunken attacks to be committed against immigrants by native whites, beating them nearly to death. So yeah, those people aren't probably going to be as forgiving of Clapton saying he is not that kind of person anymore.
Don't be factious. That entire post was a personal insult, and before you edited in the second quote to stay on topic that was all you wrote.
What information am I lacking? What are you talking about? What in the hell does this have to do with the topic?
Wait till you find out what bowie said!
Both of them were enamered with fascism, though bowie fixed himself, clapton was praising powell up until 07
Both of them were enamered with fascism, though bowie fixed himself, clapton was praising powell up until 07
You were just calling another poster ignorant for not accepting Clapton's half-ass nonsense, so I dont what you're whining about.
Yeah, no, fuck you Clapton. You'll go to your grave a racist and no platitudes about all the black people that should be so thankful for you is gonna save you.
editting posts to stay on topic? that's not how I do things sparky. but since we're play pals now. how is it an insult when I ask why you are ignorant, but not when you actually call someone ignorant because they don't agree with your sorry bullshit?
Ugh, again, this is flat out wrong. Please read. Please. I said "I'm not talking about anything veiled or otherwise. I'm talking straight to the definition of ignorance in misinterpreting a quote, then running with the misinterpretation and refusing to listen to reason." and "This is why I'm saying you're ignorant, because you're being ignorant about this." I never once said he was "ignorant for not accepting Clapton's half-ass nonsense". Quote me where I did
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Okay, this is straight-up insanity. I never said that, or even implied it, quote me where I did. I repeatedly stated how I was talking about the context of Clapton's "semi-racist" line and how it referred to his own hypocrisy of spewing hateful remarks about non-whites while also associating himself with black people and how stupid it was of him to think back then that he wasn't being an "full racist" (whatever it is he thinks that means) because of that.
Please read what I wrote, man. You're being incredibly hostile and rude based solely off an allegation against me you hold true that never happened.
Alright Butz, let's break down your argument, because a lot of people are piling on you. And when there is a common denominator, there may lie a root cause that has not been addressed.
See underlined part of your post. The core of the matter is that you believe Eric Clapton is NOT trying to excuse his past. You believe that he is NOT trying to downplay his racist past. And YOU think others, including D i Z, is "ignorant" of this stance of yours. Now, in my opinion: "ignorant" is probably not a good fit for a descriptor here. What's really happening is that people disagree with your stances on Eric Clapton. Disagreeing does not make them ignorant.
I hope that helps. This topic and discussion seem to have affect you terrifically. Again, I repeat, take a step away from the forums if you're feeling upset with any given topic.
save him from what?
He held disgusting opinions fifty years ago that he knows are wrong and at the time were confusing because of his private friendships/romance.
Save him from being known as a racist asshole and that being a part of his legacy.
I think people with problematic opinions should be able to express regret and have that regret be taken at face value.
Did his 'semi-racist' actions cause major harm ? If it's just a celebrity expressing an opinion, there are plenty of celebrities with shitty opinions, with many of them doubling down on those beliefs despite criticism.
I don't think Eric Clapton deserves to be shamed forever even if you feel the regret wasn't 100% sincere. He's an old man.
Did his 'semi-racist' actions cause major harm ? If it's just a celebrity expressing an opinion, there are plenty of celebrities with shitty opinions, with many of them doubling down on those beliefs despite criticism.
I don't think Eric Clapton deserves to be shamed forever even if you feel the regret wasn't 100% sincere. He's an old man.
I bet he was ashamed of who he was, a kind of semi-sexist murderer, which didn't make any sense. Half of his parents were female and maybe he had a sister too.
Appreciate the response, but I need to clarify some things. The article flat out states the following:
Okay, so from that article it appears quite apparent that Clapton is at least remorseful about his actions. He hasn't shown any pride in it. But this digresses from the original point of my response to D i Z, about the "semi-racist" part, that when taken out of context, sounds like he's trying to say "Hey now, I wasn't a full racist, I was just semi-racist!!". Within the context of the quote in the article, though, he's talking about the hypocrisy of him trying to mitigate his actions back then because he otherwise associated with some black people. I was never defending Clapton for this, I was saying that he wasn't trying to defend his actions in the past. I also clarified in that exact quote you used what I meant by "ignorant". I wasn't making a veiled comment that racists do to try and diffuse the words and power of black men and women by calling them "ignorant", I was using the word to the letter of it's definition, "lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular:" It's fine if D i Z does not want to think Clapton has changed in the 40 years since, that's his choice and his choice alone. What I was pointing out, though, was that from his initial posts was that his dismissal of Clapton's "apology" was rooted completely in his own misinterpretation of Clapton's usage of "semi-racist". That's all. It was never about our personal dealings with racism, meta or macro, it was simply about context and reading comprehension to better understand a quote.
That brings me back to the most frustrating thing about this: "What's really happening is that people disagree with your stances on Eric Clapton". My stance on Clapton is that he was a racist piece of garbage in the past, and him saying he's remorseful for his past actions is a step forward and is appreciated, but it doesn't undo what he did completely. That's the first time I've given my take on Clapton in this entire thread. The problem is that people began piling onto me because they thought I was a white racist trying to diffuse what Clapton did while also trying to shut down others. I never did that, tried to do that, or even insinuated that. That's the problem. That's what I take offense to: my words being misconstrued into making me into a bigoted strawman to shit upon. That's not right, man. That's not who I am, and it really makes me angry when someone continues to insinuate this. How do the personal attacks on me based on something I never said help the topic? It's off-topic first of all, it's thread derailment, and it violates ResetERA's rules on posting etiquette. That you gathered from this that I am in the wrong is incredibly disheartening.
I see you, Butz. I see you.
Case in point, man. Case in God. Damned. Point.
I actually liked Clapton a lot. But in 2007 he still was going to bat for that V For Vendetta, Mad Jack Jaspers looking mothefucker...Enoch Powell.
Damn, didn't know Clapton was a colonizer
Why y'all letting a thread about one man become about someone else tho
Why y'all letting a thread about one man become about someone else tho
Why are you mad at me? Please quote whatever what made you want to shit on me. I asked you to read what I wrote and you've refused, instead you just want to insult what you think I am. Over and over. What does this accomplish?
"semi-racist", fuck outta here
If you're gonna apologize at the very least have the decency to not sugarcoat what you're apologizing for. What good is a dishonest apology?
If you're gonna apologize at the very least have the decency to not sugarcoat what you're apologizing for. What good is a dishonest apology?
He is literally talking about it in interviews, that's not what you do if you don't want to be known for something.
No one is mad at you. Chill with this persecution complex.
You claimed that people accused you of being a racist so by all means quote it.
Again, you're not reading. I said "they thought I was a white racist trying to diffuse what Clapton did while also trying to shut down others." I didn't say "they called me a racist". Yhe implication is that people started piling on because they thought I was one of those people in racially-charged threads on here and GAF in the past that would come in and disingenuously argue on the behalf of racism, which is totally what I wasn't doing. I've seen that shit, man, and it makes me mad, but it's also assuring when I see the mods slap that down when it happens. What I was seeing in this thread were people trying to make me into that, and I'm not that, and it makes me angry that you and others are continually trying to push that narrative because it does not exist.
I mean, this is factually false. This was your first post
where you say that he has "greatly improved" and insinuate that anyone who doesn't take his half-assed apology/explanation at face-value must be either unforgiving or, as you put it, ignorant.
Let me just say it: You came into this thread antagonizing people and when everybody saw through your bullshit you tried to play the victim card. You aren't fooling anyone.
Yes, all racism causes major harm. There is no racism that is "okay".
Yes, people age, that's just nature and has nothing to do with what he did. Dude, read his "apology", he makes it sound like "Even as a racist I did SO MUCH for black people! I even played their music and had them as friends!", he hasn't changed.
Being a racist isn't a "problematic opinion", Jesus Christ.
What I noticed about people who are overly racist is that if you read the transcript of that what they are they saying, it's barely eligible. It's like they have the capacity of a child.
I'm just shocked at the amount of people who are unaware that he is a racist shit head.
Y'all really didn't know?
Y'all really didn't know?
Butz uses so many semantical twists, who knows what he's trying to say? I know he's all about that reading comprehension though. he didnt call you a name, he was just saying you were acting like a whatever.
and its not like they brought it up much on VH1.
dude I'm almost a millenial. all that shit happened before most of us were born.
and its not like they brought it up much on VH1.
im glad hes not whitewashing it and is presenting it unedited in his biopic
him and other white English artists are responsible for getting whites into black artists as has been said by BB King, and Buddy, etc.
Some heinous shit to say though
him and other white English artists are responsible for getting whites into black artists as has been said by BB King, and Buddy, etc.
Some heinous shit to say though