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Qled, MicroLed and Nanocell = LCD
OLED = OLED
HDR10 = Basic ( Open )
HDR10+ = Advanced ( Open )
HLG = HDR Broadcasting ( Open )
Dolby Vision = Dolby Thing
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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PC.
Qled, MicroLed and Nanocell = LCD
OLED = OLED
HDR10 = Basic ( Open )
HDR10+ = Advanced ( Open )
HLG = HDR Broadcasting ( Open )
Dolby Vision = Dolby Thing
I've seen comparisons between HDR10 and Dolby Vision and Dolby Vision delivered the better picture on the same TV set. AFAIR because of the included tone mapping metadata.
Have there been comparisons between HDR10+ and Dolby Vision? In theory they should be similar.
This is very true. It's way less noticeable in SDR but way too much in HDR. Altho I just started switching all the modes to Warm1 and I prefer it more. Whatever we prefer!
For what's available now, you can break it down more simply.
Right now, there's basically just LCD and OLED on the market. Things like QLED are marketing terms. LCDs have a wide range of quality and features, so you really need to research any LCD you are considering. Most OLEDs have similar performance to each other.
Right now, only HDR and DV have any real market. HDR10+ is intended to compete with DV, by providing the dynamic metadata in a non-proprietary (and therefore free) format. However, there's little content available in it.
HDR10 is the universal standard that all TVs support, all UHD HDR Blu-rays have to support, and what PS4 and Xbox games all use. Amazon and Netflix offer both HDR10 and DV. Some UHD Blu-rays offer DV in addition to HDR10.
When it comes to streaming movie services, that's where the availability of formats gets messier. Google Play movies is HDR10 only. Vudu was DV only, but now offers WB titles in both DV and HDR10. Apple has most movies in DV only, but some in HDR10 only. However, Apple TV converts DV to HDR10, if necessary (though, it seems these conversions are inferior to native HDR10). And of course, not all services offer the same movies in HDR at all.
Most likely, yes. HDR10+ should be very close to DV in how it's able to transfer the image quality.
It's important to understand that even basic HDR10 is limited by the display tech right now so while DV has some obvious advantages in theory, in practice it will be limited by the capabilities of the panel to the point where it's likely to be indistinguishable from HDR10+.
MicroLED is NOT LCD.
microLED is LED
an OLED is LED
There is a difference in the type of LED that they are, however they are both LEDs.
If I understand, QLED is just Samsung's new name for the quantum dots that they and several other manufacturers use to extend the color gamut of white LEDs? The light from white led resonates with the quantum dots which then transmit a different wavelength of light?
The Quantum dot part that is currently used simply allows the LED backlighting to be whiter and brighter. This gives improved colour accuracy and improves peak brightness, which is the thing that all the manufacturers are chasing.
Later on down the line this will go further and the Quantum Dot technology will replace the traditional colour filters that are used in the RGB sub pixels, allowing per pixel adjustment of the wavelengths they are outputting, which will further increase the colour gamut.
After that a different variant of Quantum Dot technology will be employed, where the Quantum Dot pixels actually produce their own light and their own light of an adjustable wavelength, negating the need for a backlight at all and an LCD modulation layer.
Ah, so as of now the quantum dots are used to enhance traditional LED backlighting, which is still filtered through the RGB filters, but in the future they also hope to use them in an emissive manner and eliminate the backlight. I have the KS8000 which I got for $950 and was the recommended mid-tier TV early last year so it was interesting to see how Samsung's marketing changed last year when the technology itself didn't. It looked to me like they used lesser specced panels but put them in the same nice design as the KS8000, while raising the price of the equivalent successor to the KS8000?
Yea pretty much, there will likely be an intermediate stage though where the RGB filters themselves become quantum dot, rather than "stained glass"
AVS HD709
Its free and you can throw it on disc or USB
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html
Didn't Samsung just show a MicroLED TV? Sure it's not ready for general public consumption, but it exists.
Nope. It had a FALD from "thousands of LEDs" but "thousands" is a far cry from 4K pixel count.
What exactly is different between the quantum dots found in the old Sony W900a, a KS8000 and the 2017 Samsung QLEDs?
So from what i have read and youtube videos is that the TV has a slow pixelrate which causes fast miving objects to blur. In gaming ghis is said to create a motion blur with fast movements.
I have watched some videos and have no idea as i personally cant see it but they are also off screen footage on youtube and just wanted to know how bad it is from someone that owns a set. I guess if this particular youtube guy hates it he will really notice it but it also might be something that 99% of people would never notice.
He ended up swapping to a 900E and finds it much better butbthe sactifice is obviously its not as good a set.
Yes, that's the link I provide in the OP (I think its still there). I d/l it and burned it to a dvd and it works at 1080p. I use those disc for all SDR.
Frank Nitty is cal expert if you guys aren't too familiar with him.
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I used it and it worked REALLY well. Really easy to use too (the basic folder)
Joule's post has good illustrations for this:
Found it: http://www.avsforum.com/nanosys-quantum-dots-at-ces-2017/
2016/17 TVs
(IFA/Summer) 2018 TVs ------- this will likely be the tech used for the next 3-4 years
True QLED ---- ~ 5 years away
Traditional Color Filters that LCD and OLED displays use work by blocking light.
Think of them like a piece of colored glass that you put in front of a white light source. To output red light, it has to block all green and blue light (and every other color in the visible spectrum).
This is very inefficient, and also limits the color gamut since these color filters are imperfect and produce an impure red / green / blue light.
That's why you probably won't see any displays using color filters that are able to cover the entire BT.2020 color gamut.
Quantum Dots work by transforming high-energy light to lower-energy light.
So you can take blue light, and with the right QD material, transform it into very specific green or blue light - or any other color for that matter - and this is a very efficient process.
There's also been talk of starting with higher-energy ultraviolet light to further improve efficiency.
Previous Quantum Dot displays (top) used a blue backlight, transformed into very pure white light by the quantum dot enhancement film (much purer than "white" LEDs), which was then passed through color filters to create red, green, and blue.
The high-end 2018 QD displays should be eliminating the QDEF and traditional color filters entirely (middle).
In the place of color filters, they are going to allow the blue backlight to pass through, and there is going to be red / green quantum dot material in place of the color filters.
So rather than red / green / blue being created from filtering out white light, red / green are going to be created by transforming blue light directly into red / green emitters.
And that's another key point about this technique. Not only is it far more efficient - which enables wider color gamuts, higher light output, and lower power consumption - it moves the emitter to the very front of the display stack, which should greatly improve viewing angles (and potentially uniformity).
Looking forward, the future would be QD-LED displays, which are likely going to be µLED displays using quantum dot patterned LEDs. Rather than having quantum dot color filters, they will be emitting red / green / blue light directly.
That's a different TV.
"The Wall" was the micro LED concept model they showed
no different, just branded differently.
Samsung rebranded their sets with QD filtered LED backlights from SUHD to QLED
Sony called it Triluminos on those 2013 sets, however that term no longer refers to quantum dot filters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19g9peb_IXU
Anyone post this? He says the 2018 QLED support VRR without HDMI 2.1. It's a feature on the TV. Pretty good future proofing here. If games have it they will be supported.
Anyone post this? He says the 2018 QLED support VRR without HDMI 2.1. It's a feature on the TV. Pretty good future proofing here. If games have it they will be supported.
I'm feeling so bummed right now. Just got a new LG B7a 55" set and hooked it up to my PC to play some Witcher at 4k. When I set the resolution to 4k in my Nvidia control panel the screen flickers on and off a black screen and can do nothing to stop it. Anyone else run into this problem?
Yeah I used to get that. Can't remember exactly how I fixed it but it was related to Nvidia drivers/settings. This is basically no help but it didn't take me long to sort it out so I'm sure you will too.
Is it related to the HDMI Ultra HD Deep Color setting. I try to turn it off but the TV just turns it right back on with no option to leave it off
Maybe you need a new HDMI Cable? I had a really old cable and every time i switched on ultra deep color i got no signal.
Also, I don't know if you watched their tutorial videos that are included, but they are quite good.
You will need that on.
I think what fixed the flickering for me was changing my settings to something like 4K RGB instead. It's definitely a setting in your Nvidia control panel.
I got it to stop flickering but had to switch the refresh rate to 30mhz. Can the B7a not do 4k at 60 fps I wonder?
I just got a brand new HDMI cable rated for 4k specifically so I hope that's not it
I just got a brand new HDMI cable rated for 4k specifically so I hope that's not it
I didn't. I've used the Spears & Munsil patterns which are very similar. I'll watch them though, thank you.
It's amazing HOW MUCH BETTER simple calibration makes the picture on a set
So.... I've had my TV for a few years (since late 2008 or early 2009, so almost 10 years). We bought a Sharp, 52", I loved it and still do. 5 HDMI ports, very little input lag in game mode. Our TV before that was an old-ass CRT, so that should tell you about how big of an upgrade it was.
But, now that I got a PS4 Pro and am not really noticing the upgrade in visuals, I'm thinking of getting a 4K TV too... >_> It's just really intimidating to shop for a new TV though. I remember googling and browsing so many forums before I settled on that Sharp. So many factors to consider, and right now I'm still unsure. Any advice would be appreciated.
To be clear, what I'd want is a 4K TV with HDR support (of course) with:
- 50-55" (no more than 55", we have no space lol)
- nice IQ (of course)
- many HDMI ports (our Sharp has 5, it seems rare to have even 4 lately)
- as little input lag as possible (if we need to use "game mode" that is fine)
- as little concern about HUD/screen "burns" as possible, since we game a lot
Primary function of the TV is of course gaming. We do watch TV and movies but we never even turn off game mode when watching something, out of sheer laziness, so that should tell you it's not a big priority.
What kind of prices should I be expecting for that? Any good deals to watch for? I've read the OP of course and the Sony 900XE seems like a good match, but I'm worried about the input lag (it also seems pricey, but perhaps my requirements make it inevitable anyway).
But, now that I got a PS4 Pro and am not really noticing the upgrade in visuals, I'm thinking of getting a 4K TV too... >_> It's just really intimidating to shop for a new TV though. I remember googling and browsing so many forums before I settled on that Sharp. So many factors to consider, and right now I'm still unsure. Any advice would be appreciated.
To be clear, what I'd want is a 4K TV with HDR support (of course) with:
- 50-55" (no more than 55", we have no space lol)
- nice IQ (of course)
- many HDMI ports (our Sharp has 5, it seems rare to have even 4 lately)
- as little input lag as possible (if we need to use "game mode" that is fine)
- as little concern about HUD/screen "burns" as possible, since we game a lot
Primary function of the TV is of course gaming. We do watch TV and movies but we never even turn off game mode when watching something, out of sheer laziness, so that should tell you it's not a big priority.
What kind of prices should I be expecting for that? Any good deals to watch for? I've read the OP of course and the Sony 900XE seems like a good match, but I'm worried about the input lag (it also seems pricey, but perhaps my requirements make it inevitable anyway).
What's your budget? The most important detail that you left out :P
Hah, I did write "What kind of prices should I be expecting for that?" :P
I remember paying at least $1600 CAD (with tax, maybe closer to $1700) at the time for our Sharp. Ideally I'd want... less than that. xD Since it seems prices have dropped. I'm OK with waiting for deals, I'm in no rush really. If I could find something for under $1200 CAD that met those requirements, that'd be a good start.
Just watched Blade Runner 2049 in 4K/Dolby Vision on Apple TV, this is the new "show off my tv" movie.
At this point, I'd wait a month or so for 2017 models to go on closeout sales and get a 900E. If the input lag isn't low enough for you then look at the TCL P607.
At this point, I'd wait a month or so for 2017 models to go on closeout sales and get a 900E. If the input lag isn't low enough for you then look at the TCL P607.
So you're not going to find a 4K HDR TV (that's worth buying) with more than 4 HDMI ports. Like you said, the Sony X900E 55" is a good match. It's bright enough for good HDR picture quality, it has local dimming for decent black levels for an LCD TV and isn't going to make you worry about burn-in ever and last but not least, its input lag is in the good range for gaming. We're not too far away from Sony's 2018 range of TVs coming out in the Spring which should mean that the X900E price will drop a bit. I think it's the TV you should get with your budget.
I'm so hyped for the steelbook edition and I don't even have a 4K BD player. :(
I have no space for another big box.
Still tempted to just get an Apple 4K 4K and call it a day until PS5.
I've been buying a bunch when I see a deal or sale. I also just splurge on the 4K steelbooks.
Oh wow, I thought you'd have one!
You should!
Yes the steelbook looks so good, absolutely looks like it's worth picking up to add to your library for when you get one.
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