We need a better way to argue in controversial, serious, sensitive topics.
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There isn't really much to argue, what opinions do you feel like you can't share?
Did you just edit this post with a different quote to mislead people?
When the "orthodoxy" is "sexism, racism, transphobia, homophobia, etc. are bad" then yeah I'm okay with people catching bans for ~unpopular opinions.
Great post, this is why i dont even go to these types of threads. I feel like just the smallest thing will put me in trouble if i dont see eye to eye to that to the group you talk in your post. I will just post in gaming topics and the positive ones. I hope this forum dont became neogaf 2.0 but IMO and i dont want to disrespect anyone, i feel it is going to the same path.
Offline, you say? By the Gods.
Guess that means I gotta get a life now ( ._.)
The reason the forum was so nice and chill when it started out was because there was heavy blockades preventing filth from seeping in. Unfortunately as those were rescinded we naturally got alt-right, gamergate trash, trolls, etc. who were foaming at the mouth prepared to drag their asses everywhere. I've long since stopped wasting my time even trying to argue with them. They're worth an inflammatory comment at most.
Because piece of shit men have been saying it for generations to discredit rape victims.
Cards on the Table: There have been times when I found the circumstances of rape cases suspect. Know what I did? Kept my fucking trap shut until things shook out one way or the other.
Why?
Because 'I think that woman is lying' contributes exactly 2 things to the conversation.
Jack and shit.
I'm sure you might need to defend your stance as to why, as in, possibly provide your takeaway on the situation. Literally just posting "I don't believe", is more likely to just anatagonize a topic. On that note, it is okay not to post sometimes. Occassionally, it's fun just to read a forum. Watch others duke it out, and sometimes, others catch their own bans.
Not self-censorship, but in cases of "I want more info", well, maybe just wait for more info if that's your stance? People don't always need to rush into topics to post their thoughts. A forum isn't a livejournal, even if it's core function is people posting their thoughts. It's a public space versus a private.
Bro you post like a thousand times a day and don't use grammar or punctuation. More time reading n shit Lol I'm dead.
Generally speaking, being asked to explain deeply questionable positions is not really "being taunted". It's being asked to explain deeply questionable positions.
If you find yourself in that position, probably better to ask yourself how you got to that point.
I do post a lot
But like
I could post so much more in threads I don't care about
It's not about "the world" looking like "on these threads". I'm 36 years old. My world views are very progressive and I have yet things to learn. Compassion, empathy and having a safe space where harmful and toxic positions are nott allowed is needed. I don't think I'm old enough to learn more, to evolve more. The moment you think you know everything you have to know about one subject, it's the moment where you stopped in time and that is with all due respect, not a good or healthy point of view in life. I don't think Era is perfect by any means, but here is a place where misogynists, racists and toxic behavior aren't tolerated. Not sure why you think that's bad, neither I can grasp what is this "other point of views" that you say you have, other than maybe you should reevaluate them and understand that this is an inclusive community that doesn't tolerate intolerance. Not a bad stance to have, if you ask me. So yeah, if you disagree with this, maybe your fear of a ban should be something that you have. And if you are banned, learn that there's still time to change your mind, change your worldviews, change your mentality. Your age isn't a good reason for ever to stop trying to evolve.
It's not about how the world looks now, but how it should look, to all of us.
Best of luck.
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Dude, wtf? This is the problem, for some reason you assume I have asshole friends and I'm what, problematic or something? It's a ridiculous thing to say about someone of whom you know nothing but a few paragraphs of opinion.
FWIW, I'm a good man with good friends and a good family. I married my first love. I'm involved in charity work. I've never made any social mistakes repent.
Maybe you need to see the good in people?
Actually it is. Even your own experiences do not override other peoples. For example if I wrote in a thread about catcalling that it never happened to me and other woman should just stop scaring me with all the terrible stories, I would be a real jerk. Because I would dismiss their lived experiences. Even though it would be my lived experience.
So in other words we shouldn't talk about the problem instead of actually doing something against it? Since that worked so well in the past. Seriously the whole argument sounds like something out of dystopia fiction.
If you don't like this forum you can leave. Like, that is an option. There's other websites out there. It's okay not to use this one.
A rule we should all follow is not to assume maliciousness in someones argument, that can be attributed to ignorance.
All arguments made be others should be dealt with in the best possible light. Take the victim blaming thing.
"I'll wait till all the facts are known."
In any other situation, this is a fairly reasonable statement, even in this one it sounds reasonable. Except that in this instance the connotations associated with this issue, almost always implies a lack of belief in the victim, even if they wasn't the intent.
If you are going to post something to that effect you need to make sure you have a solid argument with it to back it up. In this exact case there really isn't one.
All arguments made be others should be dealt with in the best possible light. Take the victim blaming thing.
"I'll wait till all the facts are known."
In any other situation, this is a fairly reasonable statement, even in this one it sounds reasonable. Except that in this instance the connotations associated with this issue, almost always implies a lack of belief in the victim, even if they wasn't the intent.
If you are going to post something to that effect you need to make sure you have a solid argument with it to back it up. In this exact case there really isn't one.
Sounds like an average Sunday night for me
Hiyo!
(Your post is spot on though)
I just don't understand. What's difficult about being sexist, racist, homophobic or transphobic?
Literally nothing else will get you "in trouble".
Help me understand what else it is you could possibly fear?
My thoughts: ResetEra is great and the modding is overall very fair.
People are absolutely allowed to debate and have conversations. But they're not allowed to push sexism, racism, etc. Simple as that.
There will be an unfair ban from time to time. There will be people who should have been banned but squeak by from time to time. It is impossible to have perfect moderation. The mods are trying their damn best. But I look at Era compared to something like Reddit or the embarrassing shell of a site that NeoGAF is currently and I think very highly of Era.
It's a great site and most of the community is great. I'm happy to be part of it.
People are absolutely allowed to debate and have conversations. But they're not allowed to push sexism, racism, etc. Simple as that.
There will be an unfair ban from time to time. There will be people who should have been banned but squeak by from time to time. It is impossible to have perfect moderation. The mods are trying their damn best. But I look at Era compared to something like Reddit or the embarrassing shell of a site that NeoGAF is currently and I think very highly of Era.
It's a great site and most of the community is great. I'm happy to be part of it.
At best, it's not a very interesting point to make. At worst, it's a post that comes with a lot of baggage about sexism and dismissing sexual assault.
Banning you for a post like that is a better use of everyone's time (yours included) than putting you on trial to really , truly figure out what you meant by an ultimately throwaway post (if you're even willing to honestly admit it).
If life has taught me anything it's usually those who deem themselves 'good' that are anything but. Kinda like "I'm a nice guy".
I didn't edit shit. Mods can see if so inclined. You just fucked up. Still doesn't answer what problem you have with the language (not being used by me) in here.
I totally agree with that and I am starting to do this stance in a lot of threads. It's better to dodge them or to put ignore on those who you just don't want to read and move on.
I don't disagree with this, but it also doesn't mean you should ignore the bad in people, or excuse it, which is what your initial comment, and this comment seems to be implying.
Why so sensitive?
I don't know if you have asshole friends or not. Stop acting persecuted. My comments were very clear. If your world is for some reason unwelcome to people and opinions reflected by the people here (and let me be specific: that means a clear bias AGAINST racism, homophobia, transphobia, bigotry, misogyny), that's a function of who you surround yourself with and where you've chosen to get your information from. My world and everyone in it very much looks like this forum.
If you don't want to share the same world, that's fine. But understand that the world DOES look like this forum. Whether your neck of the woods does or does not is a matter of your own choosing at this point, as a grown man.
If you take that to its logical conclusion, all you are left with is a really warped bubble.
I'd personally like to see the "fuck yous" and "fuck off" curbed out of existence around here. Far too many people rely on that as a form of argument. It often turns threads into hostile dogpiles because people think they have the greenlight to be obnoxious. It's a really small thing, but it is a part of the overall tone of the forum.
Why does someone need a solid argument? Why is "well, I'm not sure about this" heinous? What you're arguing for is the presumption of guilt. People are capable of evaluating each case on their own and coming to their own conclusions. They don't need to be told what to think.
If you're referring to the sexual harassment threads, there's really no reason not to believe the accusers given the circumstances. False claims of that nature are incredibly rare.
I am not so sure I agree, Adder. I am a very different poster than I was 2 years ago on GAF largely thanks to the example of and interactions with a few very level headed and non-hostile members of this community. I imagine there are some people who might exclusively respond to "sweet gentle words"; I don't believe there is any one way to breach an opposing mindset.
Pretty much how I feel. And I really like the mod system where decisions are revised, so you can't really be targeted or persecuted because mod Y gratuitously doesn't like you or whatever like it happened in the old place. It's a really mature and well thought out system. Era is easily the best board in the internet, and I don't envy those that are tasked to manage it. It seems like a daunting task.
You should not have to be afraid to say something like this without receiving a ban, and that's basically the problem around here. I agree.
You basically said he needs to learn to be a good person, meaning he is a bad person. And that's been your main response to anyone you quote, stop think and change who they are. In some cases that might be good advice, but it's a little presumptuous when you don't know anything about the person.
Because 99.99999% of the time that opinion is rooted in misogyny and false notions about "lying bitches".
I seriously don't get why you'd even want to be here if you hate seeing talk about social issues, or don't believe racism, sexism, homophobia etc. are problems. There are hundreds if not thousands of sites and boards where you can say the most off brand shit and it's fine.
You just roll your eyes and go do something worthwhile with your time.
They have a victim complex. Don't be racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, or just an asshole and you should be fine. It's not that hard.
That's fine. You do you. Just don't expect me to share in that point of view when my experience has taught me otherwise.
Not that I expect you would.
You don't. You stop posting and develop some introspection. Good people don't have to proclaim they're good.
I'm kinda like screw it because we're never gonna get anywhere if people can't just say what the fuck it is they are so worried about saying, but want to bitch they can't say it even though they *won't* say it. Like, have some courage in your convictions beyond "I agree with this nebulous sentiment".
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