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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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I haven't noticed any on mine either, but I also keep my OLED light at 16 for SDR.
To add to the impressions going from plasma on the previous page, I have had the 50" UT50 plasma since 2012 and it does indeed have its merits compared to the KS8000, and in many cases I prefer it still :-p The blacks are inky black with the KS8000 for instance while the plasma has gray glass that makes blacks look a bit gray. However, the whites and any solid color seem "sloppy" on the KS8000 compared to the plasma, like subtly stained a bit green or blue on some parts, while okay at others.
For stuff that isn't 4k HDR, the KS8000 looks sloppy or even slightly defective due backlight issues and dead pixels compared to the plasma. That sloppiness makes the KS8000 not seem like looking through a window as much, while the plasma is so clean no matter the content, and viewing angle is infinite so it always looks good. The result is that the plasma is something I want to keep as long as I can, while the KS8000 is like something to settle for in the time being.
For stuff that isn't 4k HDR, the KS8000 looks sloppy or even slightly defective due backlight issues and dead pixels compared to the plasma. That sloppiness makes the KS8000 not seem like looking through a window as much, while the plasma is so clean no matter the content, and viewing angle is infinite so it always looks good. The result is that the plasma is something I want to keep as long as I can, while the KS8000 is like something to settle for in the time being.
OLED Light at 100 is fine for HDR10 content. It's only changing the luminance of peak highlights rather than the affecting the entire screen as it would with SDR content.
So I've been in the market for a 4K HDTV for a while, and keep coming back to the Sony X900E.
The thing that keeps me from pulling the trigger though is the fact that there seems to be some image retention taking place. RTINGS states that it's only temporary, and not permanent, but isn't there a risk of it becoming permanent eventually? Is there an actual technical difference between image retention and burn in?
Other than the X900E, I've been looking at the Vizio M55-E0, which seems to check off all the boxes and comes in at a lower price. Still a bit hesitant on Vizio as a company, but it seems they make quality TVs.
The thing that keeps me from pulling the trigger though is the fact that there seems to be some image retention taking place. RTINGS states that it's only temporary, and not permanent, but isn't there a risk of it becoming permanent eventually? Is there an actual technical difference between image retention and burn in?
Other than the X900E, I've been looking at the Vizio M55-E0, which seems to check off all the boxes and comes in at a lower price. Still a bit hesitant on Vizio as a company, but it seems they make quality TVs.
Got news from LG!
They have authorized a panel replacement and it's scheduled for next week !
They said that it was the first case of horrible banding on 2017 OLED.
Maybe I don't have much luck or am I the worst customer.
Good news for anybody with terrible banding issues, LG warranty will cover it.
Really hope the new panel will not be worse, it's been two months since I got the TV and I can't still relax and call it my own.
They have authorized a panel replacement and it's scheduled for next week !
They said that it was the first case of horrible banding on 2017 OLED.
Maybe I don't have much luck or am I the worst customer.
Good news for anybody with terrible banding issues, LG warranty will cover it.
Really hope the new panel will not be worse, it's been two months since I got the TV and I can't still relax and call it my own.
This strikes me as a highly uninformed CS rep. The owners thread on AVS was unbearable for months when these first came out because of how many had banding, with multiple people going through 3 or more sets to get one with no or "tolerable" banding. LG as a whole have to be well aware of the issues, hence the stories you'll read about them servicing outside warranty for no cost.
Thanks! Now I'm looking to upgrade to a PS4 Pro after seeing my TV on display at Best Buy with a PS4 Pro running on it.
but OLED at 80 or 90 for SDR, is there any harm on doing that?
I bought the x900e and I had the exact same concern as you. While I've only had it since late November I can so far say that I have not noticed image retention in any sort of real world use. And I use my tv almost exclusively for watching sports and playing video games so I get plenty of static images on that screen. I wouldn't worry too much about it as according to RTINGS it does always seem to go away quickly.
I also used an IPS monitor for a few years that suffered from some minor image retention that I never noticed in every day use. Despite playing games on it and using it as a computer monitor for about 2-3 years there is no permanent burn in. Keep in mind that this is a completely different screen from the Sony so who's to say it won't burn in, but I don't think temporary image retention is directly related to permanent burn in. But don't quote me on that.
There seems to be a correlation between higher OLED light and image retention/burn-in on static logos with SDR content. I would recommend setting it as low as you're comfortable with and what your viewing room will allow for. I'd recommend a lower backlight setting for any TV just from a calibration standpoint as well.
Anyone got any thoughts on whether a 4K HDR TV with Variable Refresh Rate support will arrive at a sensible price any time soon?
i have the LG B7A since mid november 2017.
i love it, amazing HDR, dolby vision, it even has dolby atmos newly updated for the 2017 model .
very impressed with the oled and the HDR. the games look amazing on it and the 20 ms game mode is all youd ever need imo. better option imo to the LG C7 oled.
the only improvement the 2018s will have is HFR, like the hobbit and future avatar movies. but the tv i have has great DE-Judder and DE-Blur that adds the effect anyway imo for those that want HFR or the soap opera effect.
extremely happy wit hthe tv and the safety options are awesome.. screen shake, changing screen saver, a dimming option, power savings, pixel refresher, so much.
i love it, amazing HDR, dolby vision, it even has dolby atmos newly updated for the 2017 model .
very impressed with the oled and the HDR. the games look amazing on it and the 20 ms game mode is all youd ever need imo. better option imo to the LG C7 oled.
the only improvement the 2018s will have is HFR, like the hobbit and future avatar movies. but the tv i have has great DE-Judder and DE-Blur that adds the effect anyway imo for those that want HFR or the soap opera effect.
extremely happy wit hthe tv and the safety options are awesome.. screen shake, changing screen saver, a dimming option, power savings, pixel refresher, so much.
Also, I've been looking at this TV:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06XW3Z78R/?tag=e100-21
It seems too good to be true? Right size for me, HDR 10 support and 4k, all for £345? What's the catch? There must be a catch!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06XW3Z78R/?tag=e100-21
It seems too good to be true? Right size for me, HDR 10 support and 4k, all for £345? What's the catch? There must be a catch!
the catch is that the HDR is not dolby vision, which is a more premium one that some things will support, it is LED and 43 inch so the prices do go down. a friend got a TDL tv but it has incomplete HDR. either not real HDR 10 or whatever . your tv isnt like that but keep that in mind regarding some tvs
That's a question that probably won't have a great answer until CES next year.
Ah ok. It seems like a pretty good deal as a quick stop gap while waiting for the golden egg of a 4k OLED proper HDR supporting screen with variable refresh support, which likely won't hit sensible prices for years.
Except 4K Resolution and HDR,no it won't be an upgrade likely a downgrade. My 6 years old VT20 could beat my KS8000 in every area with an SDR content.
the B7A was 1400 before black friday 55 inch oled. with HDR 10 and dolby vision HDR and dolby atmos sound. I think considering the oled and quality and game mode in it that is 20 ms. the price is great. i gave info above regarding the 2018 LG tvs and their innovation. i think at the moment, for the next 2-3 years at least. the best TV to get LG wise and OLED is the 7 series for its amazing safety options against oled burn in, and its innovation.
b7a or c7. below this is not as good for safety. and higher than this will be expensive but not as much innovation, for a time. based on the CES LG info.
None here or that i am aware of mentioned in the avsforum thread.
Id ask my questions there...
Well more of a mainstream price / size. I'm not interested in something that is 60"+. I define "sensible" as being in the £500 - £600 bracket. That is way more of a mainstream price. Let's face it, people on this forum are enthusiasts - the majority of consumers don't go out and spend £1k+ on a TV.
Perfect thank you.
Looking for something future proof since my Dad's current TV is 10 years old at least.
this is the most futureproof. considering what the 2018 B8 and C8 are. which arent worth
Thank you for the help.
Now to find a dolby vision 4K player, speakers and to go with it.
I suspect it's going to be a longer wait for non-premium sets to adopt HDMI 2.1 or maybe a situation where you get one 2.1 port and three 2.0 ports.
excellent! and
not to beat a dead horse.
i mentioned it before but for those that care... the only innovation i think in the 2018s is the HFR, the hobbit or avatar sequels like high frame rate look, the soap opera effect. but even the 2017 has settings that give anything from netflix to any blu ray this soap opera effect still, that 120hz like effect. or the 48 fps and not 24. the 2018 oleds will get true 48fps but the effect now is more or less the same imo. considering i watched hobbit in HFR in theaters and am a fan of the effect. and it goes without saying that price is much much higher.
the 7 series is so perfect in safety and features. it even updated in 2017 to get the doby atmos sound, which some ppl said was not on the tv. but it is as of october and november.
Worth caveating that HFR is via USB or streaming. You won't be doing HFR via HDMI, so, UHD blu ray players.
Samsung is supposedly supporting GSYNC and FreeSync on their televisions this year. The question becomes "how far down in the range these features will go" and I don't believe there are any concrete details out yet.
The 65" Z9D smears badly, but the 75" Z9D and newer Sony panels are much better supposedly. Vizio has some problems with smearing last I looked, Samsung not quite as much.
didnt know that, pretty cool. in any case, im just glad my 2017 has features for De Judder and De Blurr to interpole / give it the soap opera effect ive come to appreciate since the early 2010s
..which i know many people hate anyway. i dont need the 2018 or 2019 HFR tvs
Got a source for that? I've been dying to find info anywhere about how VRR is going to be implemented and was keeping a watchful eye last week and never saw anything that was much beyond "yeah this one samsung set people saw sunday night is going to support VRR"
You have the 75Z9D, correct? If so, have any pics of your setup?
yeah so that's the same video i watched. Maybe it's splitting hairs, but I don't take that video as confirmation of G SYNC support (which I think he meant when he said Nvidia Freesync). He very much words it as "this is something that is already supported by PCs in monitors"
My guess is we won't know much else until IFA.
Except for the comment from him below the video, where he admits to getting stuff mixed up:
"Missed dinner. :-( Don't know our G-sync from Freesync. :-) Yes, Microsoft Xbox One X supports VRR, just need to wait for games content now."
Didn't see that in the video description, but that more so jives with what I would have thought. Freesync is license/royalty free, and far and wide your largest proportion of VRR users are going to be on console (because both Sony and MS are running AMD), so as a default position i've thought all along that VRR was going to mean almost guaranteed Freesync support. It's just a matter of whether anyone supports G sync, presuming that they're willing to pay for the licensing or w/e deal is involved with G sync. Last I read, it wasn't royalty free. As a 1080 owner, I'd have to think long and hard about my next GPU upgrade if G sync wasn't supported on the '19 models when VRR is implemented.
Yeah, GSYNC may not be supported, sorry, that wasn't clear. Samsung though has wide support for FreeSync on their PC monitors (over HDMI) so maybe it will just be FreeSync? That would be fine with me, you'd get VRR with Xbox One X.
Nvidias big screen initiative at ces 2018 should make their intentions clear. They don't seem to be backing down from g sync and i feel those hoping otherwise will be disappointed.
Speaking of pc based screens LGS nano ips tech shown at CES 2018 seems interesting.
https://youtu.be/p5dpLBik0yU
I may pick one up for my PC.
Speaking of pc based screens LGS nano ips tech shown at CES 2018 seems interesting.
https://youtu.be/p5dpLBik0yU
I may pick one up for my PC.
GSYNC makes NVIDIA plenty of money, I doubt they will back down from it as long as that's the case. It doesn't help the market for consumers; I mean, the GSYNC monitor market is an overpriced, limited mess. But overall the PC GPU market is a ruin right now so the whole GSYNC/FreeSync thing is just in-line with that, lol.
Hopefully the existence of the Xbox One X and inclusion of FreeSync into UHD TVs moving forward puts real pressure on NVIDIA to support the open standard.
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