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Nephilim

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Since CD Project Red latest The Witcher 3 resolution patch nearly three month ago i notice a constant stuttering. Everything feels slower, especially the combat isn't as flashy as before the patch. Can anybody confirm this? It seems that they traded in performance for resolution.. bad move.
 

Kage Maru

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Don't get me wrong, the game itself doesn't look bad. It's just that when I fired it up on PS4 Pro, I was expecting something better considering the hardware. It does run significantly better than the first one so that's a plus.

It should be noted that the last patch for TEW2 is bugged on the Pro where it renders at 1080p instead of the 1260p like it should.

So I'm getting a Sony X900E tomorrow. I know the base PS4 has HDR capabilities but I'm not sure my HDMI cable is 2.0. What's the best way to test that/check?

I'm planning on getting a PS4 Pro in a couple weeks but in the meantime I'd like to use the HDR functionality on the base model.

I'm not sure you need a HDMI 2.0 cable for HDR at 1080p. Could be wrong on that though.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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So I'm getting a Sony X900E tomorrow. I know the base PS4 has HDR capabilities but I'm not sure my HDMI cable is 2.0. What's the best way to test that/check?

I'm planning on getting a PS4 Pro in a couple weeks but in the meantime I'd like to use the HDR functionality on the base model.

You will be fine. You do not need the high speed ones for 1080p/HDR, only 4K/60hz signals. It is why there was no need to rush out and buy new cables when Sony patched the base PS4 with HDR support.

The Pro will come with the high speed one as well.
 
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Doom_Bringer

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Agreed, Battlefield 1 looks great on PS4 Pro. One of the first games I tried when I got my Pro and was very impressed. Think the resolution lowers a bit on multiplayer (dynamic), but still looks great. The HDR update was very welcome also, looks gorgeous, particularly on the maps with the most interesting lighting. Been pretty impressed with all EA pro enhanced games that I've seen.

yea there's a generational difference in going from BF4 PS4 to BF1 on Pro lol
 

chandoog

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Oct 27, 2017
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Since CD Project Red latest The Witcher 3 resolution patch nearly three month ago i notice a constant stuttering. Everything feels slower, especially the combat isn't as flashy as before the patch. Can anybody confirm this? It seems that they traded in performance for resolution.. bad move.

There've been a few analysis for it (DF, NXGamer etc). They all confirm that generally the performance is better than it was on the OG PS4 but worse than running the pre-patched version via Boost Mode on the Pro. CPU intensive areas like Novigrad and general traversal runs it a solid 30, but areas which rely heavily on GPU effects like the swamps/bogs or cut-scenes with a lot of heavy alpha effects, it drops down to the mid 20's.

This might be a placebo, but try playing the areas where you're having issues with both blur and motion blur turned off. On the OG PS4 it was a good way to regain a little performance.

Regardless of the above, Blood and Wine runs at a pretty steady 30 FPS through out because that uses a newer version of CDPR's renderer compared to the base Witcher 3 game. It's better optimized for both consoles and PCs.
 

Nephilim

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Oct 28, 2017
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There've been a few analysis for it (DF, NXGamer etc). They all confirm that generally the performance is better than it was on the OG PS4 but worse than running the pre-patched version via Boost Mode on the Pro. CPU intensive areas like Novigrad and general traversal runs it a solid 30, but areas which rely heavily on GPU effects like the swamps/bogs or cut-scenes with a lot of heavy alpha effects, it drops down to the mid 20's.

This might be a placebo, but try playing the areas where you're having issues with both blur and motion blur turned off. On the OG PS4 it was a good way to regain a little performance.

Regardless of the above, Blood and Wine runs at a pretty steady 30 FPS through out because that uses a newer version of CDPR's renderer compared to the base Witcher 3 game. It's better optimized for both consoles and PCs.
It's not limited to specific areas i think. I started noticing it in Toussaint and pretty much everywhere in that region.. when you simply move forward its isn't as smooth as i remember it before that patch. And i played TW3 on and off basically since launch. Maybe it has never been better to begin with and it's placebo caused by good performing open world titles as Horizon or AC Origins, wich really are fluid and locked 30fps on my pro.
It's noticable when you look at the environment going by in proximity of Geralt.. there is a slight, but constant mini stuttering every 2 seconds.
I researched in the internet and as you rightfully say, there've been reports for a significantly worse performance after that patch.. might actually be worse than it officially is... or it's all bad subjective perception (wich i doubt somehow).
 
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Liabe Brave

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Hey, would anybody care to pixelcount and see what exactly the IQ improvement is that I think I detected in Dissidia NT on Pro on a 1080p TV? Higher resolution or better anti aliasing solution? :)

...It's super hard to get exact same shots... :/ This is what I was able to provide real quick.
The original beta is very definitely 1080p, with no AA. The newer version has much smoother edges, which as you say could be due to either downsampling or the addition of some other form of AA. It's often very difficult to differentiate sources, but here there seem to be single-pixel elements that suggest no supersampling. (This is hard to distinguish from the dithered lighting gradients, which are definitely running at final resolution in both versions, but I think it's possible to see other pixels too.) That leaves three possibilities:

1. Dissidia NT's demo doesn't downsample on 1080p displays, and the added AA is just general improvement.
2. Dissidia NT's demo doesn't have Pro support, and the added AA is just general improvement.
3. I am misinterpreting the data, and Dissidia NT's demo does downsample (though not from a very high resolution).

Of course, I'll revisit the issue once the final version is released.
 

Wordstar

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Oct 27, 2017
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Was wondering if Street Fighter 5 got some Pro Love with the latest Arcade Edition Update?

Here are two Screenshots in 4k...

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Mod edit: Replaced links with the images themselves as some ads the host serves are NSFW.
 
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EricTheCleric

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Oct 27, 2017
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Was wondering if Street Fighter 5 got some Pro Love with the latest Arcade Edition Update?

Here are two Screenshots in 4k...

Doesnt look that good. But worse is all the popup ads (including NSFW nude images) on the image site.

edit: I have reported your post due to the intrusive popup ads one gets when one clicks on the images.
People quoting, please remove the images from the quote.
 
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Tyaren

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The original beta is very definitely 1080p, with no AA. The newer version has much smoother edges, which as you say could be due to either downsampling or the addition of some other form of AA. It's often very difficult to differentiate sources, but here there seem to be single-pixel elements that suggest no supersampling. (This is hard to distinguish from the dithered lighting gradients, which are definitely running at final resolution in both versions, but I think it's possible to see other pixels too.) That leaves three possibilities:

1. Dissidia NT's demo doesn't downsample on 1080p displays, and the added AA is just general improvement.
2. Dissidia NT's demo doesn't have Pro support, and the added AA is just general improvement.
3. I am misinterpreting the data, and Dissidia NT's demo does downsample (though not from a very high resolution).

Of course, I'll revisit the issue once the final version is released.
Thank you. :) Yes, I also came to that conclusion. But it's nice that the game got an IQ boost for standard PS4 in the end.

Was wondering if Street Fighter 5 got some Pro Love with the latest Arcade Edition Update?

Here are two Screenshots in 4k...


Mod edit: Replaced links with the images themselves as some ads the host serves are NSFW.

No, that's obviously just upscaled 1080p resolution. SFVAE did not receive a Pro patch, which is imo baffling, since this is now a rereleased game and it's a Sony console exclusive on top of that.
 
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Wordstar

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Doesnt look that good. But worse is all the popup ads (including NSFW nude images) on the image site.

edit: I have reported your post due to the intrusive popup ads one gets when one clicks on the images.
People quoting, please remove the images from the quote.

Im verry Sorry, I did not notice that the hosting site has thos popups since im using a addblocker. I was just searching for a site wich lets me uplead big pngs.
 

Tyaren

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Im verry Sorry, I did not notice that the hosting site has thos popups since im using a addblocker. I was just searching for a site wich lets me uplead big pngs.

Try flickr.com or abload.de
I personally use flickr. It's free, add free and doesn't compress images.
 

chandoog

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I wish there was a way to take HDR screens and have them show up properly. Finished Frozen Wilds last night and hot damn .. Guerilla have mastered the PS4/pro.
 

philm87

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Jan 9, 2018
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Metal Gear Survival beta doesn't have HDR on Pro unfortunately, even though it does on the 1X. Think the Fox engine struggles with HDR as Konami haven't been able to implement it into PES2018, eventhough they tried.
 

henhowc

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Oct 26, 2017
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Was wondering if Street Fighter 5 got some Pro Love with the latest Arcade Edition Update?

Here are two Screenshots in 4k...



Mod edit: Replaced links with the images themselves as some ads the host serves are NSFW.

not too surprised on this one. probably want to make sure that it maintains 60fps always than possibly introduce random frame drops
 

philm87

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Jan 9, 2018
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So, I'm not sure if Sony's toolset is to blame or Tango, but the Evil Within 2 is the worst PS4 Pro port I've personally encountered. AC Origins looks absolutely incredible on PS4 Pro, indistinguishable from the XB1X version in my opinion, but this game just looks bad. Real hazy, almost blurry. I thought maybe it was the art style but the XB1X version doesn't have the same "smudge". I know there's a big gap between the two machines but there's no reason why it should look like this on this hardware. With that said, it's a great game and I still recommend it but it's disappointing to see turnouts like this.

Played the Evil Within 2 for the first time last night on the Pro and it looks great to me, massive graphical improvement on the original and the frame rate is really good (coming from someone who doesn't usually play games over 30fps). Lighting is much better in this game, makes it feel much creepier.

Could the "smudge" you mean be the film grain effect? This can be turned off in the options, but looks good to me. Couple of times when it's zoomed in that you can see some lower res textures, which are probably higher on the 1X, but not often.

What TV/monitor do you play on?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Metal Gear Survival beta doesn't have HDR on Pro unfortunately, even though it does on the 1X. Think the Fox engine struggles with HDR as Konami haven't been able to implement it into PES2018, eventhough they tried.
It does, played it on PS4 Pro last night and HDR is enabled in the options.
Also, "HDR" pop up (info) appeared on TV.
 

Zelus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Played the Evil Within 2 for the first time last night on the Pro and it looks great to me, massive graphical improvement on the original and the frame rate is really good (coming from someone who doesn't usually play games over 30fps). Lighting is much better in this game, makes it feel much creepier.

Could the "smudge" you mean be the film grain effect? This can be turned off in the options, but looks good to me. Couple of times when it's zoomed in that you can see some lower res textures, which are probably higher on the 1X, but not often.

What TV/monitor do you play on?
I don't think that's it. It looked like it was rendering at a significantly lower resolution than I was expecting and DF confirmed it in their video. Apparently it's rendering at 1080p instead of the usual 1440p scenario you normally see for PS4 Pro titles. There also seems to be a lack of AF making textures look much worse than they should.

I play on an LG B6, by the way. Like you said, the game doesn't look bad but it's unacceptable for a PS4 Pro title. This machine is capable of much more. While I'm not expecting reworked assets, the current results are below standard for a premium console.
 

philm87

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Jan 9, 2018
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I don't think that's it. It looked like it was rendering at a significantly lower resolution than I was expecting and DF confirmed it in their video. Apparently it's rendering at 1080p instead of the usual 1440p scenario you normally see for PS4 Pro titles. There also seems to be a lack of AF making textures look much worse than they should.

I play on an LG B6, by the way. Like you said, the game doesn't look bad but it's unacceptable for a PS4 Pro title. This machine is capable of much more. While I'm not expecting reworked assets, the current results are below standard for a premium console.

Think there's other enhancements other than resolution though, maybe they prioritised those? Nice when there's an option to priotise resolution over graphic fidelity such as in Shadow of War. Think Bethesda said the res was 1260p, but yeah I saw the DF vid too which suggests otherwise.

I have a 49" Samsung KS9000 (EU version), 1080p looks pretty sharp on it at the distance I play from, so I guess you may well have a bigger TV or sit closer and that's the difference.
 

Zelus

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Think there's other enhancements other than resolution though, maybe they prioritised those? Nice when there's an option to priotise resolution over graphic fidelity such as in Shadow of War. Think Bethesda said the res was 1260p, but yeah I saw the DF vid too which suggests otherwise.

I have a 49" Samsung KS9000 (EU version), 1080p looks pretty sharp on it at the distance I play from, so I guess you may well have a bigger TV or sit closer and that's the difference.
I think the main issue is that the latest patch is bugged on the PS4 Pro, at least according to various people. I'll admit, 1080p seems to look worse on 4K TVs. Just softer... I remember thinking 1080p was pretty sharp.
 

philm87

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I think the main issue is that the latest patch is bugged on the PS4 Pro, at least according to various people. I'll admit, 1080p seems to look worse on 4K TVs. Just softer... I remember thinking 1080p was pretty sharp.

All 1080p content looks great and sharp on mine. I have my sharpness at 0 but crank your's up if it looks too sharp. Did you increase the size of your TV when you went to 4K?
 

Arkeband

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I think the main issue is that the latest patch is bugged on the PS4 Pro, at least according to various people. I'll admit, 1080p seems to look worse on 4K TVs. Just softer... I remember thinking 1080p was pretty sharp.
The patch definitely has something up with it, because it's showing as 1.50 instead of 1.51 on my Pro. (On the title screen and saves)
 

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Since CD Project Red latest The Witcher 3 resolution patch nearly three month ago i notice a constant stuttering. Everything feels slower, especially the combat isn't as flashy as before the patch. Can anybody confirm this? It seems that they traded in performance for resolution.. bad move.

TW3's combat flashy?
 

Zelus

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Oct 27, 2017
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The patch definitely has something up with it, because it's showing as 1.50 instead of 1.51 on my Pro. (On the title screen and saves)
According to DF, the latest patch reverted the native resolution from 1260p to 1080p. I don't know if it affected the AF but I hope so because it's currently awful.
 

NattyBo

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Bummer about no HDR for TW3 yet. AS for the bugs, my physical copy of TW3 Complete should be arriving tonight, so I'll check it out and if there are any issues I'll post here.
 

New Donker

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Had no idea this thread made its way over here. Great resource, thanks for keeping up with it :)
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The Witcher 3 update really needs to happen. Not because of the HDR, but because I constantly run into crashes just by going into the inventory. I had started from scratch, have barely any items, and its the "Complete / GOTY" edition.

Getting really frustrating, as I love the game and want to play through it so I can get to Blood & Wine in a good and proper state.
 

Yaqza

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Oct 27, 2017
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The Witcher 3 update really needs to happen. Not because of the HDR, but because I constantly run into crashes just by going into the inventory. I had started from scratch, have barely any items, and its the "Complete / GOTY" edition.

Getting really frustrating, as I love the game and want to play through it so I can get to Blood & Wine in a good and proper state.
You should inform CD Projekt about your problems. Write it either on their forums or on twitter (e.g. to Marcin Momot).