You write this story in this climate about a celebrity you're going after their career. Babe was clearly doing it for the clicks, not saying that about Grace. That's the reason them chasing after her for the story matters.No one was coming after his career, I don't know why this narrative keeps coming up
If they didn't use Ansari's name it would have just been "welp, that sucks"
Assuming this was for the clicks is diminishing Grace's experience
Is it normal for journalists to be criticising other publications through their own articles?
People don't "allow" other people's behavior to happen to them. That's ableist language. If people have issue with that, it's a them problem, not a Grace problem.
I'm hearing a lot of men and women in personal and on social media that are left-leaning liberals or downright far-left denounce the Grace story in entirety. I don't want to have a conversation about whether or not this merits sexual assault or not; that's going down the issue that Jezebel says was the wrong means to frame to conversation. I think it's better to speak about consent and how entrenched sexual power imbalances are in society on all levels.
Media criticism is a normal part of editorial journalism, yes.Is it normal for journalists to be criticising other publications through their own articles?
It's a Grace problem when you have prominent members of the MeToo movement calling her out on national television, especially on one of the most influential female-led shows by a feminist icon. All due to a poorly constructed story by an online publication looking to get in on juicy celebrity gossip.
It's a Grace problem when you have prominent members of the MeToo movement calling her out on national television, especially on one of the most influential female-led shows by a feminist icon. All due to a poorly constructed story by an online publication looking to get in on juicy celebrity gossip.
It's a Grace problem when you have prominent members of the MeToo movement calling her out on national television, especially on one of the most influential female-led shows by a feminist icon. All due to a poorly constructed story by an online publication looking to get in on juicy celebrity gossip.
Any half decent editor would have left out that wine bit. I have no clue what they were thinking with that.
The piece served to expose that society was ready to do the easy work of condemning obvious serial predators but not the hard work of discussing the complexities of sexual relationships in regards to aggression, and coercion and pressure.
Grace's story asks folks to tackle very much more common issues and rather than have a conversation many folks defaulted back to attacking the woman for speaking.
Shows how relatively fragile MeToo is, shouldn't be surprised the Witch Hunt narrative had been coming on pretty strong, some folks were just salivating for a chance to jump on some story.
It's also why the major backlash stories came from conservative women or moderate older feminist women. They want MeToo to be only about the easy work, and anything beyond that is not only not part of the movement but a danger to it in their minds.
Oh I got it too, but the sense I got from other journalists is that this was the reporting equivalent of hackneyed symbolism in a work of fiction. Just something so hamfisted and out of place in a story about a controversial sexual encounter.I got what they were doing with it. It was to show that Aziz didn't seem to really care about what she wanted in almost any fashion. Folks taking that line and making it out like Grace feels victimized for that too is kinda ridiculous...
Oh I got it too, but the sense I got from other journalists is that this was the reporting equivalent of hackneyed symbolism in a work of fiction. Just something so hamfisted and out of place in a story about a controversial sexual encounter.
I got what they were doing with it. It was to show that Aziz didn't seem to really care about what she wanted in almost any fashion. Folks taking that line and making it out like Grace feels victimized for that too is kinda ridiculous...
Any half decent editor would have left out that wine bit. I have no clue what they were thinking with that.
As good as a point I think they make I don't believe mulling over the conditions of how the story got reported matters.
i've seen people on social media that are pissed off about this grace story because "it takes away from real victims...regrettable hookups aren't assault"
yeah, i've been noticing it from men and women too. Our anecdotes don't speak as the end all of it, but considering how huge and one sided the other thread was, it's not how I expected to see people outside of here receive it.Anecdotal and all but this backlash to the Babe piece is coming from literally everyone on my Facebook and Twitter feed. It's not particular to men, it's coming from women and women I personally know who are victims of sexual assault. They are all pissed off about it.
Women and victims of sexual assault victim blame all the time. Even victim blame themselves.Anecdotal and all but this backlash to the Babe piece is coming from literally everyone on my Facebook and Twitter feed. It's not particular to men, it's coming from women and women I personally know who are victims of sexual assault. They are all pissed off about it.
Is MeToo a club? Is there a membership fee? They got organizational hierarchy? Does being more feminist make you any more qualified or justified to delegitimize another woman's victimhood?
Do you see the problem with this statement though? It's turning #MeToo into an inclusive thing and shaming those who don't fit their mold of feminism.
Well this is really beginning to get out of control and ugly:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ashleig...lting-email-from-writer-of-aziz-ansari-piece/
This was the problem I had with the NYT piece as well. They all sought to tear down Grace in the name of saving #MeToo, rather than trying to highlight the rights & wrongs in the story.
I have yet to see an actual sensible take on the whole thing. This is an extremely grey situation and people are digging their heels in the sand and taking sides like it's some sort of moral battle. When it could be an excellent cautionary tale and learning experience for people I've seen admit to not fully understanding the situation and relating it to their own experiences.
Well this is really beginning to get out of control and ugly:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ashleig...lting-email-from-writer-of-aziz-ansari-piece/
Men are personally responsible for not assaulting women, that is the only place it fits.I think this leaves open a debate about personal responsibility and where that fits into the MeToo movement.
Well this is really beginning to get out of control and ugly:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ashleig...lting-email-from-writer-of-aziz-ansari-piece/
Well this is really beginning to get out of control and ugly:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ashleig...lting-email-from-writer-of-aziz-ansari-piece/
Well this is really beginning to get out of control and ugly:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ashleig...lting-email-from-writer-of-aziz-ansari-piece/
Well this is really beginning to get out of control and ugly:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ashleig...lting-email-from-writer-of-aziz-ansari-piece/
From another angle - if they're worried about the journalism here, something may be very wrong w/ how this was handled.Jezebel is just the same Gawker people. So old Gawker people are worried about journalism integrity? OK sure.
Jezebel is just the same Gawker people. So old Gawker people are worried about journalism integrity? OK sure.
This is the best one I've read: http://www.katykatikate.com/2018/01/not-that-bad_15.html?m=1
holy shit
this makes the writer of the babe article seem phenomenally petty and childish
Well this is really beginning to get out of control and ugly:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ashleig...lting-email-from-writer-of-aziz-ansari-piece/
This is the best one I've read: http://www.katykatikate.com/2018/01/not-that-bad_15.html?m=1