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dralla

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yea, the Darkest Dungeon one is turrible.

I wonder if they could allow us to use custom game icons in a future Switch OS update.
 

Antony

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It's baffling how so many 'bad icons' have perfectly good ones on the website. Were they made solely for the website? Why wouldn't the final game icon just be used across the board? It's odd...

That mock-up should be posted to them on Twitter, go, go, go!
 
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Although it's easy to dismiss icon discussion as an overblown furore, I admire those that have enough passion to engage with developers and provide feedback.

Icons represent games, so fans suggesting better icons only shows a desire for said game to succeed.

That Darkest Dungeon icon, for example. The above mock-up looks so much better that it's baffling it hasn't been used, considering it already exists. The image is better and it has the title. The actual icon indicates nothing in particular.
 

zroid

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Oct 25, 2017
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I mean, they gave Steam this nice title card.

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And then Nintendo UK's website has this lovely square art.

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So it's a little baffling in that regard.

So isn't this mock-up better? I mean, really?

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Sonic Mania 2.0. They have an icon-ready piece of art ready to go but they take a left turn.
 

Pekola

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I love the implication that because someone is a "Creative Director" suddenly, their artistic choices can't be questioned.

Even when it's at the benefit of those who buy the game and ergo, a benefit to the company. Literally every company that's changed their icons has come up with amazing, eye-pleasing results that denote creativity AND uniformity.

Knock it off.

Anyyyways, does anyone know if the Severed icon will be changed? The Nintendo website already has one that goes with the guidelines so at this point I'm like...use that. Lol.
 
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No Depth

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Saw the awful Darkest Dungeon icon in the eShop thread and came here to protest. Glad to see several pages of responses already and if indeed they change it I will jump in when patched. Superficial, sure. But I already have it on PS4 anyway, not double-dipping with that icon on my home screen.

Also, Super MeatBoy is off my wishlist too. Though I never loved the game to begin with on 360, I would be willing to give it a second chance, until I saw the icon.
 

scare_crow

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I can do both. I'm buying the game, like I did with steamworld dig 2, and I'm also gonna whine endlessly about how tacky the icon looks.

not because I'm angry, but because it looks bad

If a band releases an album with art you don't particularly enjoy, do you pester them to change it in a future pressing?

This whole thing is very silly and it's absurd that developers are caving to what is undoubtedly an incredibly small group of people who actually care about it.
 

No Depth

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If a band releases an album with art you don't particularly enjoy, do you pester them to change it in a future pressing?

This whole thing is very silly and it's absurd that developers are caving to what is undoubtedly an incredibly small group of people who actually care about it.

Not quite the most apt comparison considering album art is ranked, judged, prodded, and put on a pedestal all the time in both the mainstream and in casual conversation. The artists use that opportunity to make a statement, to have a bit of fun, or to flex their creativity in a different format. By design it is to create a conversation, to attract, to engage with consumers and fans. Artists will include liner art or notes describing the decision process and choice made in coming up with their covers. They will go on radio or have interviews to defend or describe how the art came to fruition, sometimes when fans push back. The case isn't universal for all artists for sure, but for many, album art is akin to making as large a statement as the music itself.

If you want to make the argument that the icons for Switch tiles undergo the same level of care and filters and we should respect the decisions, then you'll need a better argument to defend some of the examples we've seen. Is the decision so sacred that it belies criticism? Just put on a muzzle you twats and let the poor publisher that had to toss out whatever to abide by the Switch ecosystem stand proud!

Cmon now...sounds like whatever is chosen won't bother you one whit. You made that point, so proceed to be content and let the rest of us air our grievances in peace.
 

scare_crow

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Not quite the most apt comparison considering album art is ranked, judged, prodded, and put on a pedestal all the time in both the mainstream and in casual conversation. The artists use that opportunity to make a statement, to have a bit of fun, or to flex their creativity in a different format. By design it is to create a conversation, to attract, to engage with consumers and fans. Artists will include liner art or notes describing the decision process and choice made in coming up with their covers. They will go on radio or have interviews to defend or describe how the art came to fruition, sometimes when fans push back. The case isn't universal for all artists for sure, but for many, album art is akin to making as large a statement as the music itself.

If you want to make the argument that the icons for Switch tiles undergo the same level of care and filters and we should respect the decisions, then you'll need a better argument to defend some of the examples we've seen. Is the decision so sacred that it belies criticism? Just put on a muzzle you twats and let the poor publisher that had to toss out whatever to abide by the Switch ecosystem stand proud!

Cmon now...sounds like whatever is chosen won't bother you one whit. You made that point, so proceed to be content and let the rest of us air our grievances in peace.

Maybe ease off on painting me THAT vitriolic. Jesus, haha.

People do critique album art, yes. I don't care that some of you have issues with some of the icons. What I find extremely silly and infantile are the tweets and nagging. It's ridiculous and entitled. "I don't like how your thing looks on my video game machine! Change it!!!!"

But you're right about the last part. I don't really care what the icons are, so go ahead and air your grievances (and send silly tweets) in peace. God speed.
 

Robin64

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"Silly tweets"? I find it quite silly you think we shouldn't be allowed to address the developers of a videogame in open dialogue.
 

No Depth

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Maybe ease off on painting me THAT vitriolic. Jesus, haha.

People do critique album art, yes. I don't care that some of you have issues with some of the icons. What I find extremely silly and infantile are the tweets and nagging. It's ridiculous and entitled. "I don't like how your thing looks on my video game machine! Change it!!!!"

But you're right about the last part. I don't really care what the icons are, so go ahead and air your grievances (and send silly tweets) in peace. God speed.

Yea, I did kind of go deep with that line. Apologies for it, as it was more directed at the ire I have for those wanting to condemn protest than a directed attack on you personally.

But agreed with you, I don't condone the witless tweets that practically attack individuals over twitter for sure. Though this thread is highlighting individuals that make a real case, such as the exchange with the Darkest Dungeon dev on the last couple pages. Peaceful, respectful exchange. The posts beyond even praises the handling on both sides as not many of us agree that outright spitting fire to get our way is the proper approach. This thread isn't a cesspit of whining or quite the haven for those individuals you are condemning either is all.
 

-shadow-

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Any reason why the website and the eShop/game actually use two different icons anyway?
 

New Fang

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If a band releases an album with art you don't particularly enjoy, do you pester them to change it in a future pressing?

This whole thing is very silly and it's absurd that developers are caving to what is undoubtedly an incredibly small group of people who actually care about it.
It's obvious in almost all of these Switch cases that the developer just didn't put much thought into the icon. It's literally like putting an image file into a bucket when you send your game off for submission to Nintendo, and I think some of them just find any old image, slap it into the file and send it on it's way. That's why they're often receptive to the fans asking about it, because it's almost like they themselves just didn't care what image was there, and it's not hard to fix it.

Most bands take care in what their album cover looks like. I don't think the two situations are comparable.
 

scare_crow

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It's obvious in almost all of these Switch cases that the developer just didn't put much thought into the icon. It's literally like putting an image file into a bucket when you send your game off for submission to Nintendo, and I think some of them just find any old image, slap it into the file and send it on it's way. That's why they're often receptive to the fans asking about it, because it's almost like they themselves just didn't care what image was there, and it's not hard to fix it.

Most bands take care in what their album cover looks like. I don't think the two situations are comparable.

Alright, that's a fair point. Maybe I'm being a bit to curmudgeonly over this.

Carry on folks. Chase your bliss.
 

HaNotsri

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Yeah that's really bad. A torch? I haven't played the game but from gameplay I've seen there's so much more to this game than a torch lighting up the darkness.

But maybe I'm wrong and the torch is very important...
The torch is actually critical. One of the best mechanics.
 

ReyVGM

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Oct 26, 2017
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Yay, the Monkey Tavern icon has been updated to a much better version.
 

Auros01

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Nov 17, 2017
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I don't mean to beat a dead horse but whatever happened to the Snake Pass icon update? Wasn't it happening this month or was it later in 2018?
 

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Got a hat-trick here
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SMB is actually similar to Skyrim for me. While I'd prefer text, the image is instantly recognizable to me as being that specific game.

Not feeling the Darkest Dungeon icon at all. It's just bland and boring, which is disappointing when the game has such great art. I still bought DD because it looks amazing, but I'm looking forward to the update.
 

zroid

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Meat Boy definitely falls into that grey area where the icon is fine when taken entirely on its own merits (IMO), but the issue with it mostly stems from how it stands out in a bad way from the other icons alongside it

I don't personally feel that strongly about uniformity, so I'd be okay with the icon not changing. But I understand others' concerns.
 

ShiftaDeband

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Meat Boy definitely falls into that grey area where the icon is fine when taken entirely on its own merits (IMO), but the issue with it mostly stems from how it stands out in a bad way from the other icons alongside it

I don't personally feel that strongly about uniformity, so I'd be okay with the icon not changing. But I understand others' concerns.
I think the preference from many is that they just want them to follow the guidelines set my Nintendo.

I know I'd be happy that way.
 

zroid

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I think the preference from many is that they just want them to follow the guidelines set my Nintendo.

I know I'd be happy that way.
Well, that's more or less what I'm saying. I don't feel that strongly about that per se. But I understand.

Like, to elaborate a bit, I don't think pubs necessarily need to follow those guidelines. I think they are good guidelines which exist for good reasons. However I feel exceptions can be permissible on a case by case basis.
 

Elfforkusu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Glad to see this thread is still doing good work.

I saw the Darkest Dungeon icon, and it was as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced
 

Wanderer5

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Personally, I think that icon wouldn't have been bad if it also had the title like underneath the torch or whatever (through the torch is shown to be part of the title), but that UK square art is good and is ready to be used!
 

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Well, that's more or less what I'm saying. I don't feel that strongly about that per se. But I understand.

Like, to elaborate a bit, I don't think pubs necessarily need to follow those guidelines. I think they are good guidelines which exist for good reasons. However I feel exceptions can be permissible on a case by case basis.
I agree. I would like all of my icons to have text, but there have been a couple textless ones that still look pretty nice on my software screen.
 

Robin

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Nice little victory there with Darkest Dungeon! Really happy they responded to this as it seems to be the worst offender I've seen in awhile for such an otherwise desirable and aesthetically pleasing game.

Meat Boy probably takes the cake for "technically wrong but looks good and is recognizable at least", which I previously thought of Sonic Manias. They still should both be changed.
 

Barn

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Oct 27, 2017
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I really dislike Hamster's icons for their retro releases. It sucks more because the Xbox One versions actually use artwork from the games, while the PS4 & Switch use screenshots from the game itself.

Currently mocking up a bunch for what they really should be.

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I'm a little late, but as someone who has been preaching that same notion since the Switch's launch, this mockup is beautiful and heartbreaking.
 
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