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Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm happy that xeno charted.

But guys we don't know what it sold. I'm seeing 300k and and stuff thrown around. And estimates for WW
300k is the more optimistic estimate considering it beat Skyrim in the year round switch sales. But it's not an exact number, it's just a guess based on relative positions. The only real number we know is the Japanese sales are around 180k based on media creates at the moment
 

phantomx

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No it doesn't. The amount of sales is vastly different between the two, and even if the biggest sellers are the same, the choice of which console is bought goes to exclusives.

Nah, the choice of which consoles is bought goes to the console with the best pricepoint to AAA 3rd party gaming power ratio
 

Jessmo24

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Well....2009 December NPD we saw ~10 million consoles sold compared to 2017 NPD of ~ 5 million consoles...not dead, but certainly contracting big time.

The good news is all 3 console makers have taken steps to change their business models to "succeed" even though they are selling fewer hardware/software than last gen.

Ps4/one exceeding the ps3/360 18% after 50 months?

I'd love to see the % if you factor in Psp/vita sales.

Is this mostly Nintendo's fault for the market shrinking? Was the wii/Ds an anomaly? Are we just seeing a market correction to where it should be rather than a contraction? Keep in mind also that casuals migrated to smart devices.
 

Benji

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Xenoblade 2 probably hasn't crossed a million yet.

It does look like it's on track do so however which I would consider a success for sure for this type of game
 

Adventureracing

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Nov 7, 2017
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Amazing sales all around capping off another big year. Next year looks like it's set to be just as big if not bigger in terms of HW and SW.

From the video:

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opps, didn't see it was already in the OP.

It has been a fantastic start for the PS4 and xbone. I think this comparison will come down to what else Sony and MS do to keep the momentum going. The PS3 and 360 both had poor starts and finished strongly. I don't think it's guaranteed that the PS4 and xbone will remain ahead.
 

Vareon

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nintendo's done a great job managing the xenoblade franchise after a shaky start.

Months of yelling, Operation Rainfall, and the Gamestop exclusive shenanigans. That was shaky alright.

Then Shulk got in Smash and the series got a better treatment. Hell I think releasing a JRPG of this size day-and-date worldwide is the best treatment you can get. Hopefully all that effort shows in sales.
 
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I was happy about WW2 doing well until the game has basically cratered, Sledgehammer is incompetent and PR is horrendous.

Poor IW had the best campaign since COD4 but got literally zero respect and terrible sells.
 

Benji

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Should make it the best selling in the series and I expect Nintendo would be happy with that result.

Yeah I'm pretty confident its going to end up the best selling entry in the franchise.

I think France and Germany will both be pretty important on the road to 1 million for Xenoblade 2 though so we have to see how it does there. Everyone focuses on US, UK and Japan since those are the regions we get data the most often but France and Germany are Switch's 2 biggest markets in Europe so its performance there will be pretty important to hitting a million
 

phantomx

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Is this mostly Nintendo's fault for the market shrinking? Was the wii/Ds an anomaly? Are we just seeing a market correction to where it should be rather than a contraction? Keep in mind also that casuals migrated to smart devices.

Well, no doubt the Wii/DS bouyed hardware/software sales for the industry last gen...just like the ps2 did the gen before that...

But I don't think you can blame Nintendo for the entirety of console contraction.

I mean, the ps4+Vita sales will not match ps3+Psp sales (~166 million)...there is a definite contraction in Sony and Microsoft hardware sales without even factoring Nintendo at all.

Sure, the ubiquity of mobile/social gaming now is making it harder to cultivate future dedicated console gamers going forward...that has a lot to do with the contraction. Before phone/iPad gaming, kids growing up with handhelds and arcades naturally progressed to home consoles. Kids growing up playing iPad/iPhone games don't progress to buying dedicated home consoles just to play home console gaming quite as easy as before. Hence the contraction.

Nintendo making dedicated gaming machines that get consumers who normally wouldn't get into dedicated console gaming...is the best hope for industry growth going forward (Sony/Microsoft isn't growing this market)

[i wouldn't use "casuals" as the term. Casuals...people who buy 1-2 games a year...make up most of the home console market already. The ps4 console appeals to casuals. GTAV has huge casual appeal, etc. The type of consumers that the ps2/Wii/ds appealed to were those who normally aren't console owners. ...not the same as casual gamers. Hopefully this is something the Switch fosters too]
 

Fredrik

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Oct 27, 2017
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Am I blind or are there no numbers out for the hardware? I want to see how they all stack up when seeing what people want for Christmas.
Seems like Nintendo has made a fantastic month anyhow, and year too from the look of the software sales 2017 even though it's no digital sales counted. (Not in the same market but I'm all digital on Switch, obvious choice for me when it's portable)
 

number8888

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Oct 27, 2017
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I was really worried for Xenoblade 2 I am glad it made the top 20. Would love to see some numbers though.
 

iksenpets

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Xenoblade over Skyrim on the yearly Switch chart made me wonder if Skyrim maybe underperformed, but that can't be the case given how much every publisher is pouring into Switch ports right now.
 

Loveless

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's funny when you consider that not to long ago, we use to only get Top 10 best selling games and that would have meant that Xenoblade wouldn't have charted and the attitude towards the sale of the game would have been completely different.
 

Sho_Nuff82

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Nov 14, 2017
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The claim was that the Xbox One version of PUBG will be a top ten ranked game for the year of 2018.

I don't believe that will be true.

It beat

  1. Star Wars: Battlefront II 2017
  2. NBA 2K18
  3. Madden NFL 18
  4. Assassin's Creed: Origins
  5. Grand Theft Auto V
  6. FIFA 18
on Xbox over Christmas despite being only $30, not being released until the 12th, and having a few hundred thousand copies given away for free with the X (though tbh, we don't know how those are counted in these revenue charts).

And it's still in preview with one map. I think you're sleeping on its sales potential. Not that we'll even get Xbox-only splits if the PS4 version releases this year.
 

Slam Tilt

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Xenoblade over Skyrim on the yearly Switch chart made me wonder if Skyrim maybe underperformed, but that can't be the case given how much every publisher is pouring into Switch ports right now.
It's by revenue, so Xenoblade could sell fewer units than Skyrim but get positioned higher due to sales of the collectors' editions.
 

phantomx

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Mario, Zelda and Mario Kart are the three premier Nintendo IP's. Outside of that I would say Pokeman is the major big hitter worldwide.

On Sony's side Horizon is a new IP and likely to have moved over 6m worldwide.

We know Mario Kart Deluxe sold ~2.4 million in the US so far (according to Nintendo)

We know Mario Kart Deluxe without digital numbers is #10 on overall software sales this year in the US.

So we can surmise that Horizon had to have sold < 2 million in the US to not crack the top 10.

I don't think it's sold over 300k in Japan...has it?

I find it hard to believe 3.7 million sold in Europe and other territories....?
 

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I think Steam's native DS4 support has now made it the choice for PC gamers. Considering the gyro function and being able to map things to different parts of the touchpad, it makes sense.
I'd say it's more to do with the fact that there are over twice as many PS4s out there that people are buying controllers for.

Big numbers all around, Nintendo in beast mode.
 

CaviarMeths

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It only launched about two weeks later.
But Xenoblade only launched a few weeks after Skyrim?
Oh woops my bad. For some reason I was thinking Skyrim launched in October.
Metroid was coming off a long hiatus off of a bad game (two if you count Federation Force).
Echoes was also easily the weakest Fire Emblem game in... quite a number of years.
 

Mory Dunz

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Oct 25, 2017
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Metroid WW or even npd sales would be really interesting to know.

Pubg seems like its gonna be big here too.


Has really no one said "this is a good result!" yet?
 

Benji

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~280k, not sure how I feel about it yet.
It's peobably good! The optics just aren't that great compared to the monster sales of the other Nintendo releases

It's a very good result compared to the other entries in the franchise.

Xenoblade 2 is going to be the highest selling entry
 

Benji

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It probably already is the highest selling entry. Hope we find out on Jan 31

Yeah its entirely possible Xenoblade 2 is already the highest selling.

Just really depends on how its performing in mainland Europe. But considering Nintendo green lit 3 games in the series already, and we are looking at what will be the best selling so far, you can pretty much guarantee another game is on the way.
 

Hero

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~280k, not sure how I feel about it yet.
It's peobably good! The optics just aren't that great compared to the monster sales of the other Nintendo releases

280k is a notable bump from X, let's see if it has legs. 15% digital would put it at 322k in NA. Not bad at all.

The expensive limited edition and the DLC will help make this the most profitable Xenoblade game.
 

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Getting toward 1mil WW for XC2 with an install base of around 15 mil or less is incredible. JRPG's with the exception of the obvious tend to be on the "niche" spectrum of sales. This has certainly been the case for the other 2 Xenoblade games.
 

Benji

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With digital its safe to say Xenoblade is over 300k

For a JRPG and especially on that sized install base, that's a really great result honestly. I wonder what the attach on the Season Pass looks like
 
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