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gutter_trash

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plus Quebec City has a huge inferiority complex towards Montreal. Quebec City radio trashes on Montreal daily.
Anything that Montreal is positive for, Quebec City will trash it as a negative, especially diversity.

Meanwhile Montrealer never talks about Quebec City aside from making fun of them for having an empty arena without an NHL hockey team.
 

Tiktaalik

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There has got to be something more to it than right wing radio. I mean Vancouver and Toronto also have right wing talk radio and right wing tabloid press.
 

TheTrinity

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Yes, I'd say the radio situation is kind of self-enforcing. The insularity of the city gave rise to the stations. Then the stations spew garbage every day and more people who are sympathetic to those ideas become 'radicalized' if you will. Those people spread what the radio says, create more market for those kind of stations and so on.

There has got to be something more to it than right wing radio. I mean Vancouver and Toronto also have right wing talk radio and right wing tabloid press.

Yeah, that's just the one part of it. It's also an environment where those stations and their viewpoints can flourish. I mean, good luck growing right-wing viewpoints in Vancouver, which is packed full of all different kinds of people. That's never going to happen.

The radio stations are a symptom of how the city was to begin with, and are now making it worse.
 

Tiktaalik

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Quebec City has a university and is the centre for provincial government jobs. The same combination in Edmonton, Alberta resulted the city being a left wing heartland and the source of the NDP's one federal seat in Alberta. You'd think that combination would create the same scenario in Quebec, but it doesn't. Bizarre.

Edit: I suppose Quebec City did elect two Liberals, (with the NDP doing very well as well) but you'd think that with all those government employees you'd see a bit less blue in the region.
 
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Karateka

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So 15 days or more in segregation is now officially against the charter of rights according to the supreme court.
Not sure what I think. Segregation as a punishment is bad but working in a prison most inmates in segregation are there so they dont get assaulted or worse. Those who are in seg for disciplinary reasons are usually there less than a week.
I will have to read more about the decision.
 

Terrell

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I mean, conservative parties are the greatest benefactors under FPTP since a majority of Canadians would prefer another party be in power (Joe Clark would likely never become Prime Minister given the LPC garnered significantly more votes in 1979) so it's technically in their interests to have a system that benefits them over other provincial parties. See also: Ontario's 2018 election. I doubt anyone even remotely near or left of the center wants Patrick Brown to be Ontario's Premier with such a significant majority as the latest poll has suggested, regardless of how much they dislike Wynne.

It's not conservative parties that benefit. Any party that benefits from squeezing out smaller 3rd parties and giving them a 50/50 chance at power (per Duverger's law) is a benefactor. Federally, the CPC benefits by the strength of the NDP and have reason to maintain a multi-party system in times when tactical voting collapses. But provincially, it's almost universally a de facto 2-party system thanks to unassailable tactical voting (Ontario, Quebec and maybe Nova Scotia being the exceptions), with the Liberals or NDP being the progressive-vote benefactor. And to the surprise of no one, the provincial NDP are just as obstructive of electoral reform as a conservative party is, in full contradiction of the policy of their supposedly-unified party.

Alberta had 3 parties and they just downsized, while BC's Green Party has finally grown to a point that it can achieve less than 3 seats with highly-targeted campaigning but are hardly expected to make further gains and is the only reason that Horgan likely changed his tune on electoral reform.

So we can't look at this as purely a conservative-only effort to undermine attempts at electoral reform. It's any party that benefits from Duverger's law.
 
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It's not conservative parties that benefit. Any party that benefits from squeezing out smaller 3rd parties and giving them a 50/50 chance at power (per Duverger's law) is a benefactor. Federally, the CPC benefits by the strength of the NDP and have reason to maintain a multi-party system in times when tactical voting collapses. But provincially, it's almost universally a de facto 2-party system thanks to unassailable tactical voting (Ontario, Quebec and maybe Nova Scotia being the exceptions), with the Liberals or NDP being the progressive-vote benefactor. And to the surprise of no one, the provincial NDP are just as obstructive of electoral reform as a conservative party is, in full contradiction of the policy of their supposedly-unified party.

Alberta had 3 parties and they just downsized, while BC's Green Party has finally grown to a point that it can achieve less than 3 seats with highly-targeted campaigning but are hardly expected to make further gains and is the only reason that Horgan likely changed his tune on electoral reform.

So we can't look at this as purely a conservative-only effort to undermine attempts at electoral reform. It's any party that benefits from Duverger's law.
What i'm referring to is that conservative voters benefit under FPTP moreso than centrists, centre-left and so on since they only have one option on the federal level whereas other voting groups have at least two other options to choose from and thus may split their vote between various candidates that leads the way for a conservative government or may need to vote for a candidate who has the most likely chance of winning rather than who would be their first choice in a given election, not that conservative MPs and such are the only group trying to keep the system in place. FPTP hurts the majority of voters by making a riding's election more a matter of voting against who you don't want rather than who you do want in power and leads to that very same issue of it being a two-party race that you mentioned in various provinces, hence why it's great that B.C. is taking the first steps towards abolishing it with a superior system.
 

Terrell

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FPTP hurts the majority of voters by making a riding's election more a matter of voting against who you don't want rather than who you do want in power and leads to that very same issue of it being a two-party race that you mentioned in various provinces, hence why it's great that B.C. is taking the first steps towards abolishing it with a superior system.

That should go without saying, it's plain as day to anyone who actually participates in the vote at every level. But the sad truth is that people seem to think that FPTP and the "10-year itch" serves us well simply because the pendulum eventually swings back in their favour, but public policy shouldn't be on a pendulum, because there's no long-term growth in that.

Speaking on the subject, it looks like BC's resident moustache-twirling cartoon villain made flesh a.k.a. colossal douchecanoe Bill Tieleman is gearing up to fight electoral reform in B.C. yet again this year, seeming to think that he will be able to put this issue in the grave once and for all, with talking points that aren't even true in his own bloody province, because who cares about the truth when there's boogeymen that need to go on parade!
 

Morrigan

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plus Quebec City has a huge inferiority complex towards Montreal. Quebec City radio trashes on Montreal daily.
Anything that Montreal is positive for, Quebec City will trash it as a negative, especially diversity.

Meanwhile Montrealer never talks about Quebec City aside from making fun of them for having an empty arena without an NHL hockey team.
lol, so true.

Quebec City is a lovely town, but the whole conservative bullshit is obnoxious and their empty arena will never stop being funny.
 

djkimothy

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Some climate change denial organization called friends of science decided to speak at some agricultural service board conference like a day ago.The agricultural service board recieves funding from the alberta government but they did not recieve any funding from the alberta government for this event.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ce-grande-prairie-michelle-stirling-1.4494032

I have no doubt there are climate deniers and hard line conservatives within the departments of the alberta government that allowed this. It's a shame.

Once again the orgs naming contradicts its mandate.
 

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It's not a legal grey area at all - the Supreme Court ruled on it.

I hate to quibble on this point but the SCC merely said in Morgentaler that the existing scheme at the time was a violation of s.7, and since then the government hasn't passed any new legislation. The SCC never said anything about a substantive right to abortion under s.7 there, so I don't think it's wrong to say that there is a legal grey area in the sense that abortion is currently legal in the absence of the government trying to restrict it again.


Now personally, I think the Court probably today would find a substantive right under s.7, but we're still waiting for that.
 

Ether_Snake

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Quebec City has a university and is the centre for provincial government jobs. The same combination in Edmonton, Alberta resulted the city being a left wing heartland and the source of the NDP's one federal seat in Alberta. You'd think that combination would create the same scenario in Quebec, but it doesn't. Bizarre.

Edit: I suppose Quebec City did elect two Liberals, (with the NDP doing very well as well) but you'd think that with all those government employees you'd see a bit less blue in the region.

Meh, university does not = left-minded. I'd be curious to see if the ratio of male to female attendance in Quebec's are tilted to male compared to Montreal. I wouldn't be surprised that more women leave to study in Montreal.

But that's another thing; people who aren't racists or misogynist are more likely to leave and study in Montreal.
 

Tiktaalik

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I find it weird and kinda embarrassing that Canada pressed to prefix "Comprehensive and Progressive" to Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership. It's clear that no one else knew what Canada was going on about but they just went with it anyway because they badly wanted a G7 member in the deal to make it worth while.

It's like when you were a kid and you set aside the lame nerdy stuff a schoolmate did because you wanted to play his Nintendo.
 

Silex

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I find it weird and kinda embarrassing that Canada pressed to prefix "Comprehensive and Progressive" to Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership. It's clear that no one else knew what Canada was going on about but they just went with it anyway because they badly wanted a G7 member in the deal to make it worth while.

It's like when you were a kid and you set aside the lame nerdy stuff a schoolmate did because you wanted to play his Nintendo.
Keep in mind that, once the US pulled out of TPP, the only real benefit for Canada was some increased trade with Japan. Canada already has free trade agreement with most of the other TPP countries.
 

Mr.Mike

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Keep in mind that, once the US pulled out of TPP, the only real benefit for Canada was some increased trade with Japan. Canada already has free trade agreement with most of the other TPP countries.

Only Peru, Chile and Mexico. So we would be gaining trade deals with Brunei, New Zealand, Singapore, Australia, Japan, Malaysia and Vietnam. Further the TPP CPTPP is set up some that new countries to join. APEC members can accede, and other can join as well. Most recently the UK has expressed interest in joining (I'm sure they have some island in the Pacific), and Indonesia has declared its intention to join.
 
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Really not fond of Canada jumping back into the TPP at this stage. I get that they're looking at alternatives for trading partners with the Cretin in Chief on the verge of pulling the U.S. out of NAFTA (which he might not even possess the authority to do), but unless there were (and will be) substantial changes to its contents, I don't see this as anything but a net negative given the concessions that would be made and power it would give to corporations.
 

Mr.Mike

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I think Vietnam manufactures a lot of memory or hard-drives or something? So maybe yes actually?
 

Tiktaalik

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Looks like PS4 might be assembled in China at this point, but in any case there still is a fair bit of electronics (and other types of) manufacturing done in Japan.
 

Tiktaalik

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Tons of electronics and other things are also assembled or manufactured completely in Taiwan (eg. bicycles) so Canadians could potentially get much cheaper goods if Canada had a free trade agreement with Taiwan. There may of course be some additional geopolitical issues with that idea however. (Just checking however and New Zealand has a FTA with Taiwan though!)
 

Mr.Mike

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Tons of electronics and other things are also assembled or manufactured completely in Taiwan (eg. bicycles) so Canadians could potentially get much cheaper goods if Canada had a free trade agreement with Taiwan. There may of course be some additional geopolitical issues with that idea however. (Just checking however and New Zealand has a FTA with Taiwan though!)

Taiwan is one of the countries that has expressed interest in joining, albeit before the US pulled out. I don't know if that makes countries more or less willing to join the TPP.
 

dusteatingbug

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I find it weird and kinda embarrassing that Canada pressed to prefix "Comprehensive and Progressive" to Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership. It's clear that no one else knew what Canada was going on about but they just went with it anyway because they badly wanted a G7 member in the deal to make it worth while.

It's like when you were a kid and you set aside the lame nerdy stuff a schoolmate did because you wanted to play his Nintendo.

Looking woke is like 80% of Trudeau's brand, turning TPP into CPTPP is an obvious move for this government.
 

firehawk12

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Looking woke is like 80% of Trudeau's brand, turning TPP into CPTPP is an obvious move for this government.
I feel like there's two faces of the Liberals. The one side that makes genuine attempts at trying to apologize to marginalized groups, and the other controlled by Bay Street making sure government works best for the billionaire donor class that they want to be a part of after their political careers are over.

Mix in Trump, an ineffective third party, and the utter trash of the CPC and it basically makes them unassailable to moderate Canadians.
 

Tiktaalik

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Looking woke is like 80% of Trudeau's brand, turning TPP into CPTPP is an obvious move for this government.

Canadians eat this shit up. Who cares if the government is pursuing a privatization agenda and free trade with China when our cute woke PM is walking in gay pride parades and wearing silly socks.


The sad reality is that the government was totally ready to sell Canadians out on IP in order to finalize the deal and the only reason this changed was because the USA pulled out. Thanks Trump.
 

Mr.Mike

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There are actually tariffs being eliminated on candy. Or at least I think that's what "Glucose and glucose syrup, containing in the dry state at least 20% but less than 50% by weight of fructose, excluding invert sugar" and "Other fructose and fructose syrup, containing in the dry state more than 50% by weight of fructose, excluding invert sugar" are supposed to be? Also the tariffs on "Substitutes for butter" are going away too if anyone's looking forward to that.
 
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Gabbo

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A lot of the nasty parts, relating to IP and its far reaching grasp especially, were removed when Trumpy pulled out. It's not perfect, but it does look to have changed some. I dont see cheaper Playstations as a result, sorry ERA.

As for Leitch, glad she's gone. Our parliament doesnt need more far right garbage spewed to rile up a parties base and seek to disenfranchise entire ethnicities in the process. May she find success as a doctor
 

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A lot of the nasty parts, relating to IP and its far reaching grasp especially, were removed when Trumpy pulled out. It's not perfect, but it does look to have changed some. I dont see cheaper Playstations as a result, sorry ERA.

They were suspended, not removed, and with the way the reporting about those provisions has been written in the news articles I've read it looks like the signatories would be more than happy to un-suspend them to get the USA back in.
 

Terrell

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Personally, I'm all about getting cheaper-priced Kasugai brand Gumi candies, but to each their own.

I mean, Canada's goal seemed to be all about a trade deal with Japan by proxy of the TPP. The fact is that, especially with things renegotiated, we're not entirely clear of what this new TPP really consists of, do we? With all of the horse-trading that seemingly had to have happened to bring Canada back in to sign it in-principle (unless you honestly believe they were putting on a show for nothing while multiple countries were involved), I don't think we really know what we got out of this agreement anymore from a policy perspective.

They were suspended, not removed, and with the way the reporting about those provisions has been written in the news articles I've read it looks like the signatories would be more than happy to un-suspend them to get the USA back in.

It's a PR gimmick to leave the onus on the US for not engaging in the deal, plain and simple. Meeting the IP requirements for the TPP12 was incredibly unpopular in Japan and failed to pass into law there. I'm quite certain that if the US ever does revisit the TPP, the signatories will play hard-ball from a position of unity and strength, because some of them simply wouldn't be able to meet the requirements of those suspended provisions.
 
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