Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S5 |OT| Six Seasons and a Seventh

I am still interested to see what Dove Cameron does on the show. Looks like she has a big part, and doing lots of filming at least...



Half way through tonight's ep I had a feeling she could be 20 year old version of The Seer, as she has a look similar to the younger actor, but by the end of the episode, they wrapped up the characters role so well I dont think they need to show her at yet another age.

Fuzzy said:

Or there was no time loop and Fitz was just talking out of his ass because he couldn't get the machine to work.

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I'm almost positive this is not the case, but I'm laughing so hard imagining it is lol

Hard to say whether this is an alternate timeline or a flash forward of them trying to stop the loop in the past...in the future?

We'll see possibly in the next couple of episodes.

fallengorn said:

Yeah, I don't think I've seen flashbacks to an alt timeline before.

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What if they are flashforwards?

They all get back in the present and everything happens after that.

I think Fitz's dialogue in that one flashback kind of confirmed it.

"We can't change time!"
"You don't know that!"
"Of course I do because we've tried! For all I know we've tried a thousand times, always ends the same. It's like a record that keeps on skipping and we're repeating this loop again and again and again!"

Also "Daisy saw the aftermath and she still destroyed the world."

Trippy episode. The biggest twist was May in mother mode.

Fantastic episode, but then again I have loved this season so far. A lot of emotional moments that have more weight due to the amazing build up over the seasons which is AOS biggest strength.

I'm on the side that the flashbacks were the original timeline and the current day timeline is the one where they do actually change it and save the world.

Tetsujin said:

I think Fitz's dialogue in that one flashback kind of confirmed it.

"We can't change time!"
"You don't know that!"
"Of course I do because we've tried! For all I know we've tried a thousand times, always ends the same. It's like a record that keeps on skipping and we're repeating this loop again and again and again!"

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So is Flint going to reassemble the chunks of the Earth? Is that his purpose?

Timeline shenanigans hurt my brains, lol. But I love them! So many theories that you can come up with. Gonna be interesting to see which one it's confirmed to be in the coming episodes.

May in a mother's role didn't really surprised me that much. Besides Mack, she'd be the most suitable parent out of all the crew. Kids are her soft spot for obvious reasons.

that was a great episode, possibly the best AoS episode in matter of suspense and make you want to know what the fuck is happening both in macro and micro scale sense.

Htown said:

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Shit, if they can wrap this up even half as well as Heaven Sent, it will be at least on the level of - if not even better than - Season 4.

They have a lot of shots/lines in this episode that imply there's a threat out there that Daisy needs to give 120% to defeat, and that doing so is a pyrrhic victory that also destroys the world. Maybe she's fighting someone that's also involved - they keep hammering in the whole "I can't cause that much damage" thing and I'm pretty sure that's true. It'll be a combination of her powers and the bad guy's.

So I'm figuring that the back half of the season will be all about that, where the team KNOWS that they're approaching that big final fight but can't come up with any alternatives. Lots of "wait, are we supposed to be doing this or NOT doing this?" type scenes of them second guessing their vague future knowledge. Deke will be there to bitch about every move.

I think the idea of Flint holding the world together in order to let Daisy go ham is on the money, but almost too easy. There's gotta be a twist in there somewhere.

Can someone explain the Lighthouse bunker to me? I get that it was on earth before, but the show's confusing me as to where it's right now. Deke says Kasius send people "topside" to banish them, which would imply it's still on earth. Yet Coulson and the team had to get to earth by Trawler...? So is The lighthouse still a part of Earth or is it floating in space?

jph139 said:

I think the idea of Flint holding the world together in order to let Daisy go ham is on the money, but almost too easy. There's gotta be a twist in there somewhere.

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my theory is that Flint is going to turn out to be the actual threat, and it's their last fight, combined with some gravitonium shenanigans, that tears the world apart

Slyonic said:

Can someone explain the Lighthouse bunker to me? I get that it was on earth before, but the show's confusing me as to where it's right now. Deke says Kasius send people "topside" to banish them, which would imply it's still on earth. Yet Coulson and the team had to get to earth by Trawler...? So is The lighthouse still a part of Earth or is it floating in space?

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It's still on Earth.

Thanks! Been trying to figure it out all season.

Seems to me that Flint has the perfect power for ripping a planet apart. Daisy just isn't strong enough for that, even with precise planning. Or, whatever is happening Daisy tried to stop it, but isn't equipped for the task, but Flint is.

I don't know another show where I care about literally every character.

Mac and YoYo's whole freedom fighter movement has been a joy to watch.
Daisy is Daisy so of course I'm invested. "Destroyer of Worlds".
Coulson is trying to lead everyone when he's so lost.
Melinda got a ton to work with this episode and the way they built her relationship with Robin so quickly...top notch. Crazy how you just buy into it.
Fitz and Simmons have had a lot of screen time this season and when they realized they were alone I grinned. GET IT.
Flint is apparently the key to all this.
Developing Deke with the story about his dad.
Even Sinara and Casius. The story with Casius' brother was really compelling and actually made me like them for a split second. I'm even more invested in our heroes beating them now.

I miss Tess though felt like she had more to give to the show.

mugurumakensei said:

Damn an hour of shield a week is not enough.

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agreed

every minute of this show is a treat

Danthrax said:

Data realizing he should take Commander Riker's suggestion instead of his own.

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:D

Parenegade said:

I don't know another show where I care about literally every character.

Mac and YoYo's whole freedom fighter movement has been a joy to watch.
Daisy is Daisy so of course I'm invested. "Destroyer of Worlds".
Coulson is trying to lead everyone when he's so lost.
Melinda got a ton to work with this episode and the way they built her relationship with Robin so quickly...top notch. Crazy how you just buy into it.
Fitz and Simmons have had a lot of screen time this season and when they realized they were alone I grinned. GET IT.
Flint is apparently the key to all this.
Developing Deke with the story about his dad.
Even Sinara and Casius. The story with Casius' brother was really compelling and actually made me like them for a split second. I'm even more invested in our heroes beating them now.

I miss Tess though felt like she had more to give to the show.

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Agreed. :)

Flint being the key is a paradox in itself unless they are creating another timeline when they go back, so the timeline they came from can never be saved.

The end boss is of course franklin hall and his gravitonium, they've been constantly speaking of gravity storms for the past few episodes



Guess who's back

could you imagine if they brought back a monster of the week from s1 as the vehicle to kill everyone in an alternate timeline and end the show

Shugga said:

The end boss is of course franklin hall and his gravitonium, they've been constantly speaking of gravity storms for the past few episodes

Guess who's back

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I just rewatched this episode to confirm and yeah there's no way Hall isn't involved in the second half of the season. If they bring back Ian Quinn too and make it full circle that would be amazing.

Also Fitz looks like a baby in season 1. Holy crap.

You have to wonder how they got gravitonium inside the bunkers system though

When they are at their end one hero from their past will save them...........Enter Deathlok

You're Protecteded said:

Timeline shenanigans hurt my brains, lol. But I love them! So many theories that you can come up with. Gonna be interesting to see which one it's confirmed to be in the coming episodes.

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They could be doing a better job at explaining this timeline story. Perhaps I'm just not paying close enough attention, but I find myself asking... wait what? What's going on here? I get that they don't want to reveal everything and be mysterious, but the writing just seems a bit awkward this season.

If the gravitonium doesn't factor in somewhere I'm going to be irrationally angry.

It has to be a factor. It just has to be.

Man

I'm watching the new episode

I hate timey wimey shit typically, but this dual timelime shit with Robin got me hooked

Iain Da Caestecker, Natalia Cordova Buckley, Henry Simmons, Ming Na Wen, hell the whole cast is just so great, but they are the highlights

Fuck I love this show

Dubbedinenglish said:

When they are at their end one hero from their past will save them...........Enter Deathlok

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Trying to avoid spoilers from last night's episode, but I'm risking it in here anyway lol.
Anyone know why the episode isn't on demand yet? I've been trying to watch it through xfinity's streaming app like I usually do but it's not up yet :(

Parch said:

They could be doing a better job at explaining this timeline story. Perhaps I'm just not paying close enough attention, but I find myself asking... wait what? What's going on here? I get that they don't want to reveal everything and be mysterious, but the writing just seems a bit awkward this season.

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Different timelines

that's it

Not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but didn't end of life Robin say she finally saw them save the world, but that she just hadn't lived it yet?

Parch said:

They could be doing a better job at explaining this timeline story. Perhaps I'm just not paying close enough attention, but I find myself asking... wait what? What's going on here? I get that they don't want to reveal everything and be mysterious, but the writing just seems a bit awkward this season.

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It's not too complicated. Basically there's a timeline where somehow Earth is destroyed. Everyone's there and Fitz and Gemma eventually design a time machine to prevent it. The timeline we've been following is the result of that and everyone ends up in the future where the Earth was destroyed somehow. That's pretty much it. The only questions are A) What really destroyed the Earth? And B) Does the alternate timeline we saw this episode actually happen after the agents get back and it's part of a time loop, or was it changed because of the time machine?

TheOMan said:

Not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but didn't end of life Robin say she finally saw them save the world, but that she just hadn't lived it yet?

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Yeah she did, in reference to May telling Robins younger self that even though she couldn't ever see them saving the world she would do.

Makes me think that they have finally broken the closed loop timeline and will manage to change things.

Link said:

Shit, if they can wrap this up even half as well as Heaven Sent, it will be at least on the level of - if not even better than - Season 4.

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They have to.
I mean come on , some pretty intresting thing happenned , and they haven't go back yet ... That mean that they still don't know what really happenned in the original timeline and it's pretty implied that there is some fucked up sh*t in the military right now ( not to mention that nobody believe them for now )
They have , i repeat they have to break the loop in the most spectacular way possible given their budget or the whole season will be a bust

Mama may best may. What an episode

Just caught up on the past 5 episodes. What a ride!

I don't see the closed loop.

So far everything points to two time lines, with Robin being able to see both of them.

Didn't expect to tear up watching this... Damn. That moment ...right in the feels.

I KILL PXLS said:

A) What really destroyed the Earth? And B) Does the alternate timeline we saw this episode actually happen after the agents get back and it's part of a time loop, or was it changed because of the time machine?

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No, we know there's been at least one loop from Robin's dying words and also Fitz saying Daisy knew about herself being the destroyer of Earth. It's also kind of implied Mack dies in the future considering he's the sole person not shown in the time in between and Yoyo has his shotgun axe.

I wish they'd give even the tiniest explanation as to why Earth has gravity and a breathable atmosphere. I know it's stupid, but it kind of drives me crazy. Especially the somehow still molten core hanging on there.

It certainly does look cool though! Sigh.

I'm in awe that they built up the relationship between Robin and May so well in a single episode to the point where I was on the verge of tears at the end.

This show.

Slyonic said:

Can someone explain the Lighthouse bunker to me? I get that it was on earth before, but the show's confusing me as to where it's right now. Deke says Kasius send people "topside" to banish them, which would imply it's still on earth. Yet Coulson and the team had to get to earth by Trawler...? So is The lighthouse still a part of Earth or is it floating in space?

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Tetsujin said:

It's still on Earth.

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This actually confused me a bit. For a while, I thought the Lighthouse was a small space station and the bunker in the Earth's crust was just where Kasius was.

Stable time loop is the only thing that makes sense but that would be too much of a downer for them to actually do it.

They realised that the only way to change history is to make sure Thanos gets to Earth. Shield was in an Alternate timeline all along. Get Thanos here to defeat the threat, aid the Avengers to defeat Thanos. Disconnect the MCU connection.

khaz said:

I don't see the closed loop.

So far everything points to two time lines, with Robin being able to see both of them.

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I'd say everything points to the time loop myself. I quoted Fitz earlier mentioning how they can't change time and how it's like a broken record repeating itself all the time. It also answers the question how Daisy could be involved in the Earth's destruction despite her travelling through time past that event, since it's predetermined they go back and live through it anyway. If we assume the flashbacks this episode are of the original timeline where they didn't travel through time it raises the question how they end up in the original timeline's future rather than their own which should be an alternate future.

Of course, timey wimey rules can be in effect so who really knows.

Fucking time travel

Edit: Actually remembered that Fitz didn't travel through time, he was in cryosleep. So even if the monolith magically transported the team into the original timeline's future, Fitz should've already woken up in one altered by the team's disappearance. But he didn't, so predetermination it is.