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Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S5 |OT| Six Seasons and a Seventh

Does Agents of Shield deserve a Season Seven

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 34.0%

  • Most Definitely

    Votes: 16 15.5%

  • Wait, what happen to Six?

    Votes: 13 12.6%

  • Only if they include The Daughters of the Dragon

    Votes: 12 11.7%

  • Thor 2: The Ghost Rider

    Votes: 27 26.2%
  • Total voters
    103

napoleonic

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
176
Eh so why nobody call daisy, skye anymore???

Speaking of which, what can/should happen to ghost rider in this futuristic timeline?

What would happen if ghost rider appeared in the space station? Let's theory craft this.
 
Keyser S

Keyser S

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
8,480
napoleonic said:
What would happen if ghost rider appeared in the space station? Let's theory craft this.
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Cosmic Ghost Rider is a thing...

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Theorycraft done!
 
Entryhazard

Entryhazard

One Winged Slayer
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,843
Honestly I have the impression that the characters in the flashback to not have memory of what is currently happening, so it's more the "original timeline" who is going to be changed rather than them being these characters in the future episodes
 
Futabaisthebest<3

Futabaisthebest<3

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Oct 25, 2017
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R_thanatos said:
After the framework, aida managed to do it.
NOt to mention that the only thing we see in the scene is daisy yelling and then going somewhere.
I can't accept the daisy johnson broke the earth theory from outside sources when the whole world thinks daisy johnson tried to kill talbot , especially since we know gravitonium is in play
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Ohhh, I did remember that episode from last season 4. Yeah you were right, she really does it before.
 
SixtyFourBlades

SixtyFourBlades

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Oct 27, 2017
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Aida was human after she came out of the Framework though right? She wasn't mechanical anymore. She used the Darkhold to transfer her "consciousness" into human tissue matter. At least that was my understanding of it. I don't think an LMD can have Inhuman powers.
 
Entryhazard

Entryhazard

One Winged Slayer
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,843
You're Protecteded said:
Aida was human after she came out of the Framework though right? She wasn't mechanical anymore. She used the Darkhold to transfer her "consciousness" into human tissue matter. At least that was my understanding of it. I don't think an LMD can have Inhuman powers.
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Yes, she created a completely organic body equipped with Inhuman powers
 
X05

X05

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Oct 25, 2017
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BlackNMild2k1

BlackNMild2k1

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Oct 25, 2017
1,340
Bay Area, CA
Entryhazard said:
Honestly I have the impression that the characters in the flashback to not have memory of what is currently happening, so it's more the "original timeline" who is going to be changed rather than them being these characters in the future episodes
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I have to re-watch this past episode... I think I was distracted when watching and missed some things....
But based on lite reading the thread, my understanding of what is happening is that the OG characters travel to the future, and at some point they travel back to the past to live their lives... this is where the flashbacks come from? But since the OG characters have yet to travel back, they don't remember the life they lived like the characters they run into in the future.

So the future wants to prevent them from going back in hopes that it prevents the future from happening... even though the future is already present, them never going back doesn't change what already is.... they all just get to stay in their destroyed future present. But the argument is that Quake already saw the future, and when she went back, she destroyed the world anyway...? But preventing her from going back again, still doesn't change what happened in their timeline, as it's already happened....

Which is why they actually need to go back, so they can figure out what actually happened and then prevent it from ever happening (also getting to Fitz long before he begins his 70 something year nap).

do I have this correct?
 
ZeoVGM

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
I think people might be reading into things a bit too much and confusing themselves

The flashbacks are of the original timeline if the bad future happens. And now when the team is send back to the present, their goal will be to prevent that bad future.

And them succeeding will basically delete those flashbacks from existence. They'll never end up happening at all.

(Unless we start getting into the multiverse in the MCU.)
 
shoemasta

shoemasta

The Wise Ones
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Oct 28, 2017
3,028
Finally got to watch the new episode. Honestly got a little choked up when Robin was calling May "mom".

Kinda amazing how the show made me care about Robin in such little time.
 
Jeffapp

Jeffapp

Member
Oct 29, 2017
2,252
just watched the scene where colson remembers the thati project and screams let me die. Super emotional scene to watch everytime.
 
StudioTan

StudioTan

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,836
Just watched, how many death flags can you have in one episode? Maybe the best episode of the season.

I'm surprised so many people have trouble following the flashbacks. The part with May and Robin at the end pretty much makes it clear that they weren't flashbacks for the characters but flashforwards, just in the past. When May was telling Robin that she didn't need to tell her how to get home that she would need to tell her later it was because from May's point of view it had already happened when Robin died, but from Robin's point of view it hadn't happened yet because she was still a girl. So she was telling Robin that she doesn't need to tell her until she is on her death bed. Just like how May told her as a child that she'd be there at the end because May had already lived it and knew she was there when Robin died.

So at some point they get sent back to try to stop the world breaking and it's Fitz that builds the machine that their past selves use to do that. We still don't know if it's a closed loop or not, we only think it might be because Fitz says it is but he could be wrong.
 
StudioTan

StudioTan

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Oct 27, 2017
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BlackNMild2k1 said:
So my understanding was correct?
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Yeah basically although not remembering their past lives is incorrect because even though it's in the past it's the characters future. Don't forget that they all disappeared/were sent to the future before Quake (supposedly) broke the world so she has to go back in time in order to do that. That's why they were trying to kill her thinking if she didn't go back she couldn't break the world. I guess they were thinking it would basically reset the future? It depends on how they are dealing with time paradoxes.
 

napoleonic

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
176
StudioTan said:
Yeah basically although not remembering their past lives is incorrect because even though it's in the past it's the characters future. Don't forget that they all disappeared/were sent to the future before Quake (supposedly) broke the world so she has to go back in time in order to do that. That's why they were trying to kill her thinking if she didn't go back she couldn't break the world. I guess they were thinking it would basically reset the future? It depends on how they are dealing with time paradoxes.
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So they have lived to the end of the story, then built a time machine, and then what? Kidnapped their own past self to the future so their past self can go back to the past again?.

And you said viewers should not be confused with this???

Wut?
 
Toth

Toth

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Oct 26, 2017
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I still have a problem with the show wanting to exist in the Marvel universe but then disregarding the fact there are people like Dr. Strange, Tony Stark, and even the Inhumans who would likely stop the world from being cracked.
 
StudioTan

StudioTan

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Oct 27, 2017
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napoleonic said:
So they have lived to the end of the story, then built a time machine, and then what? Kidnapped their own past self to the future so their past self can go back to the past again?.

And you said viewers should not be confused with this???

Wut?
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What? No. They haven't lived to the end THEIR story, they've seen the end of ROBIN'S story because she just died.

Look at it from May's point of view. She's in 2017, she gets sent to the future, she meets Robin as an old woman and Robin tell May that she raised her because Robin has lived this part but May hasn't yet and just before Robin dies she tells them how to get to the past. At some point (which we haven't seen yet) they get back to the past and start trying to figure out how to stop the world from blowing up. These are the "flashbacks" we're seeing which are actually showing the character's futures. We don't know what point in time they return to, all we see is them in 2022 but we know that sometime after they go back Robin's mother dies and May raises her. She knows she raises her because Robin already told her she did. When Robin is with May as a girl she's trying to tell her how to get back to the past but May says it's not time yet because she knows Robin doesn't tell her until just before she dies. The other thing we know is during this period in 2022 Fitz is building the time machine that will eventually enable their past selves to go back in time from the future.

We don't know anything that happens after the point in the flash forwards from 2022 that we've seen.
 
ZeoVGM

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
napoleonic said:
So they have lived to the end of the story, then built a time machine, and then what? Kidnapped their own past self to the future so their past self can go back to the past again?.

And you said viewers should not be confused with this???

Wut?
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I don't understand what you're confused about here.

Seriously, some of you guys are overthinking it.

The flashbacks were what happened in the timeline when the team was not brought into the future. And now when they go back to the past, they will need to prevent that bad timeline from happening completely.

That's it.
 
TheOMan

TheOMan

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
7,124
StudioTan said:
What? No. They haven't lived to the end THEIR story, they've seen the end of ROBIN'S story because she just died.

Look at it from May's point of view. She's in 2017, she gets sent to the future, she meets Robin as an old woman and Robin tell May that she raised her, just before Robin dies she tells them how to get to the past. At some point (which we haven't seen yet) they get back to the past and start trying to figure out how to stop the world from blowing up. These are the "flashbacks" we're seeing which are actually showing the character's futures. We don't know what point in time they return to, all we see is them in 2022 but we know that sometimes after they go back Robin's mother dies and May raises her. She knows she raises her because Robin already told her she did. When Robin is with May as a girl she's trying to tell her how to get back to the past but May says it's not time yet because she knows Robin doesn't tell her until just before she dies. The other thing we know is during this period in 2022 Fitz is building the time machine that will eventually enable their past selves to go back in time from the future.

We don't know anything that happens after the point in the flash forwards from 2022 that we've seen.
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Now - if they all go back, including Fitz, won't there be 2 Fitz's? Or a massive paradox?
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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The flashbacks can't be the future as Robin intervened by seeing into the future. The second Enoch helps is the second the timeline splits.
 
Lotus

Lotus

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Toth said:
I still have a problem with the show wanting to exist in the Marvel universe but then disregarding the fact there are people like Dr. Strange, Tony Stark, and even the Inhumans who would likely stop the world from being cracked.
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
StudioTan

StudioTan

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Oct 27, 2017
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ZeoVGM said:
I don't understand what you're confused about here.

Seriously, some of you guys are overthinking it.

The flashbacks were what happened in the timeline when the team was not brought into the future. And now when they go back to the past, they will need to prevent that bad timeline from happening completely.

That's it.
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No that's not it at all, you're seeing them in THEIR future after they've gone back to the past.

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Now - if they all go back, including Fitz, won't there be 2 Fitz's? Or a massive paradox?
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Yeah presumably. Don't know how they deal with that yet.
 
Keyser S

Keyser S

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Oct 26, 2017
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They could technically explain away they were never in the MCU if they wanted to, as parallel universes can be similar but a little bit different in other ways. The show does keep referencing 616, which has ties to comics and not the movies, and it is the only part of the MCU to do this (as far as I know). That reference is usually an easter egg, but they could do more stuff with it if they wanted.

I still really want the second arc to be a universe hopping arc. The whole first arc could still be a slow realization they moved universes, not just in time, and the second arc expands on that. I am not sure how Fitz would also have moved with them, but that can be explained away later. The flashbacks from the last episode also make sense if they were a parallel universe, as does Robin's powers.

"Ultimate Agents of Shield" has a nice ring to it.
 
BlackNMild2k1

BlackNMild2k1

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Oct 25, 2017
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StudioTan said:
Yeah basically although not remembering their past lives is incorrect because even though it's in the past it's the characters future.
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That's exactly what I meant, and tried to explain (albeit in an over complicated way.... on purpose).

They don't know the life of the flashback, because they didn't travel back in time yet to live that experience.

I almost feel like I have to draw a diagram to simplify it for some in here, it would just make it so much easier to understand if you saw it visually.
 
Dirtyshubb

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Oct 25, 2017
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To those who think May knows Robin would tell her how to get home and save earth because she says it to Robin earlier that she would, because she has already lived it in the closed loop, I'm willing to bet that isn't the case.

Of course I could be wrong but it seemed pretty clear that she didn't know that for sure and was just being a good mum and giving her some comfort since Robin was worrying about not knowing.
 
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