Gut read, but I feel like even you don't believe what you just typed here. Come on, Sorian.
Do you really believe that a Scum!Hom3land, tied with a Town!gir, would only be saved because Town!Vere unvoted? Where were his scummates?
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Gut read, but I feel like even you don't believe what you just typed here. Come on, Sorian.
Do you really believe that a Scum!Hom3land, tied with a Town!gir, would only be saved because Town!Vere unvoted? Where were his scummates?
Afk and/or already on gir. We weren't exactly a full house at day end if I remember right.
Bussing, already voting for gir, afk...
I get your argument that it would be a weird lynch, but the vote came up quite late iirc so they could've been caught off guard and have been ill prepared
I was wondering if I was mixing it with what Blarg said, thanks.
I'm confused by a few points. I'm not sure what the reference is of you pushing Swamped. And the read of Gorlak as town is pretty weak.
I am of course offended by the Splinter too comment but whatevers.
Interesting Royal is left off another read list.
He made a very similar reply to saw about why homeland could've been scum with the votes
Okay I'm seeing it now.
What about the bet? Or should we just vote out Blarg to save ourselves from the headache?
What about the bet? Or should we just vote out Blarg to save ourselves from the headache?
He's still toeing the line. Making a trifecta read is more a town Blarg move than a scum Blarg. The rest is padding.
It doesn't help that Blarg replaced a basically inactive person. But I kind of have to say that none of the typical Scum-blarg posts occurred yet.
I have no idea what's going on between Fran and Sorian. I have a bad feeling about Fran's opening theory and its presentation, but in the later argument both read pretty scummy. This can't possibly be SvS, can it? Also, we all know Sorian is a better Scum player than what he shows here. I'm not sure he would go down into this dangerous rabbit hole so eagerly...
I don't see any malicious intention in SweetNicole omitting / forgetting some people in her reads list. Too easy to spot. I pointed it out, but it's very NAI in my eyes.
I had a slight town read on hom3land basically the whole game. I have to agree with Swamped that the voting yesterday strengthens this
I have no idea what's going on between Fran and Sorian. I have a bad feeling about Fran's opening theory and its presentation, but in the later argument both read pretty scummy. This can't possibly be SvS, can it? Also, we all know Sorian is a better Scum player than what he shows here. I'm not sure he would go down into this dangerous rabbit hole so eagerly...
I don't see any malicious intention in SweetNicole omitting / forgetting some people in her reads list. Too easy to spot. I pointed it out, but it's very NAI in my eyes.
I had a slight town read on hom3land basically the whole game. I have to agree with Swamped that the voting yesterday strengthens this
Nah
Again, what makes Sawneeks so special? I've made my position on her clear, I'm more worried about the nulls right now.
If you're a celebrity, you may as well reveal yourself now. You've already outed yourself. I think it could especially help with reading Sorian, but also some other players like SweetNicole (who conveniently forgot why she scumread Fran to begin with!).
Did you ever get back to me about this btw?
Do you have an updated read on homeland? What do you think of the Vere unvote that saved him?
In reference to homeland votes at the end of D2.
Really? There were 23 players to begin with, so probably 4-5 scum. So according to you all of them were on gir? (or maybe split between gir, Splinter and LP in order to save scum-land?). I'm very unconvinced by this. This means that scum honestly didn't care that their scummate homeland was about to be voted out. I feel like they would have been more careful. Maybe they were afk, but I think this is also a convenient way to avoid talking about the D2 end situation. Not painting you in a good light my friend.
Out the the homeland voters, I feel best about Melon, then Saw, and Sorian and GoG are kinda tied at the bottom (these reads are specifically in relation to the D2 end votes and how they responded to my questions about homeland today). I'm currently voting for LP because I think it could elucidate a lot about the situation, but definitely keeping an ear out for anything else.
Girlofgotham Sorian I need your reads on Sawneeks and melon. If you've already talked about them, please point me to it!
I'm currently fighting the urge to tunnel *Splinter hard for D1 stuff and now this weird unbacked and noncommittal accusation at you.
The hill Sorian's currently would seem like such a weird one to die if he were scum. I'm actually annoyed that Fran soft-claimed out of that in a game in which we're already 2 PRs down.
Quoted this to agree, I didn't think it was anything special or needing of comment but since some people are, I think it was just forgetting people from memory.
I have no idea, you tell me. You were the one that said you'd lynch her at the first possible moment, that's a very strong read to just turn around and say "I'm more worried about nulls right now"
They wouldn't be split willingly, either they were on gir or they weren't here. If they had been semi-active before day end, they would have been at LP since I think he was the forerunner when I came back for day end that day.
Sawneeks is likely town. I've seen her do nothing weird that I can think of and she's been very clearly trying to solve and asking very pointed questions.
I'm still null on melon, she's left no impression on me and I feel like a majority of her posts have been bickering/side commentary with Splinter.
Hmmmmmmmmm. Ok I suppose. I take it you have a town lean on LP?
I'll wait for GoG to chime in too before continuing this line of thought.
Wait.
The initials match.
Ok, that's pretty mind blowing tbh
When did I said that I was a celebrity? Are you fishing for the role?
No. Honestly I got distracted and I've been putting it off. I'll do it now.
What Day 1 stuff on Splinter? I vaguely remember you, or someone, talking about it so if you could link it that would be great.
Sorian v Fran = Town v Town or Scum v Scum?
I really can not shake this feeling that you're just handwaving away any reason to Town Read Hom3land. Last-minute tie sure, but wouldn't Scum at least try? And it seems highly unlikely an entire team was not there.
Do tell, Swamped. Don't just give a tease and not follow up on it. :p
Yeah, L_P started weak but has a slight town lean now. He's clearly putting in more effort today and putting himself out there but I'm not seeing any agenda.
It must be something in that vein if you keep wanting to bet me.
We literally did this whole dance in love boat on one of the days. Myself, Kark, and Xbro were all incapacitated in some way for a vote we should have been able to easily control. I'm not saying everyone was afk. I am saying that most could not move votes for real reasons (afk, already on the anti-wagon, etc.) or for artificial reasons (bussing). I'm not married to homeland as scum clearly since he isn't my main topic today but I don't see how the day end does anything to prove him town.
This was it:
He then talked to Nicole about it:
And dismissed it as "just some accusations" and not a question, when, in fact:
My post had 4 interrogation marks. If that's not a question, I don't know what is.
I think Fran v Sorian is Town v Town - but mostly because of Fran's soft-claim. Otherwise, I'd probably agree with Sorian. Fran's argument felt really thin - scum have killed two PRs. It's quite obvious that scum would prioritize targeting PRs instead of "meta town leaders" or whatever.
A lot more subtle than a celebrity.
And how did scum knew that Verelios was a PR?
Why are those the only options? Why are you trying to tie our aligments together?
Thank you.
Oops, that should read 'Town v Town and Scum v Town', not Scum/Scum.
Maybe this, maybe a lucky shot from an investigative scum role on N1.
Either way, it's weird that you're trying to deny the obvious pattern and trying to replace it with this other convoluted one that relies on scum agreeing with you on who are the meta town leaders.
If both murdered townies so far had been vanilla, I'd lend you an ear. But they're both PRs, and so I don't understand why you're even going there.
Except that neither of them seem like a breadcrumb.
The post directed at Melon had meta behind it. I don't remember why but people used to call Melon doctor (maybe an old role or something). I'm pretty sure that I have read Cabot call her like that.
The second is really a stretch. That was a really easy observation to make and hard to take as a breadcrumb.
And it's weird that you are saying in the first sentence that it could be a lucky shot and in the second saying it's an obvious pattern. If it was luck it can't be a pattern.
Day 2 End Votes
Starting with Fran's vote at #1357
Votes are currently: Gir(2), Gotham(1), Hom3land(1), Melon(1), Splinter(1), and LP(1)
-#1357 Fran votes for SweetNicole saying her jump from an easy Benghis to an easy Hom3land was scummy.
-#1369 Gorlak votes for Fran because of 'scum vibes' and also feels that he pays special attention to reads of himself.
-#1384 Royal vote for Splinter saying he has been acting strange all game long.
-#1385 gir votes for LP. No reason given.
-#1386 Hom3land votes for LP. Says he has trouble reading others but LP has 'done nothing' and is skating by.
Votes are now: LP(3), Gir(2), Splinter(2), Gotham(1), Fran(1), and Hom3land(1)
-#1390 Nicole votes for LP, citing that he has not done any contributions.
-#1396 Melon votes for Hom3land, citing that she does not like the LP votes
Votes are now: LP(4), gir(2), Hom3land(2), Splinter(2) Gotham(1), and Fran(1)
-#1412 Gotham votes for Hom3land, stating that was her scummiest read.
-#1428 LP votes for gir. No reason given.
-#1429 Ty votes for gir. Almost conveniently forgets why he Town Read him and mentions not liking the LP votes since he isn't being 'scum LP'
Votes are now: LP(4), gir(4), Hom3land(3), Splinter(2), Gotham(1), and Fran(1)
-#1431 Brazil votes for Splinter. Mentions how his reread of LP makes him look better than Splinter. Mentions he misremembered something LP did
-#1446 Fran votes for gir. No Reason given.
Votes are now: gir(5), LP(4), Splinter(3), Hom3land(3), Gotham(1), and Fran(1)
-#1463 Nicole unvotes LP. Reasoning in the above post (?) how people scum read LP for him being quiet all the time
-#1490 Nicole jumps over to gir. Cites that the post I linked her was 'damning evidence' and no longer had a smoking gun on Hom3land.
Votes are now: gir(6), LP(3), Splinter(3), and Hom3land(3). I'm leaving Gotham/Fran out for the rest of this.
-#1496 Sawneeks votes for Hom3land. I said so to Swamped earlier, but I wanted to tie the vote to see who would flinch.
-#1497 Verelios votes for Hom3land in a response to Nicole's vote on gir.
Votes become tied at: gir(5) and Hom3land(5)
-#1505 Verelios unvotes Hom3land, sending gir to die.
-Day Ends
-Royal did try and vote for gir but was too late (#1511)
Oookay. So. First thing that stands out is how fast the LP votes pile in as well as the pushback that happens because of it. Gir, Hom3land, and Nicole all vote for LP in a short amount of time that jumps his count up to (4). In a direct response, Melon votes for Hom3land. ( I looked and couldn't find if she talked about him Day 2 ). Gotham also follows up with a Hom3land vote, aka her original scum read one and then vanishes. LP and Ty swoop in for gir votes, kicking him back up into the forefront.
So we have this weird spot where not much happens until LP takes the lead with votes from: Gir, Hom3land, Nicole, and Stan ( who was not around ).
Shortly after we have Melon and Gotham voting for Hom3land, bringing him back up to 3. Sorian being the initial vote here.
And then LP and Ty jump in to Gir, tying him with LP.
Now with hindsight, we know that Gir is Town. So we have the bonus of being able to look back and Ty's vote seems the most suspicious and 'well-timed' considering he 'forgot' the reason he Scum Read Gir in the first place. However, this only makes sense if LP or Hom3land is Scum, since his vote helped push Gir forward into the lead. Considering at the time that LP was the leader of the votes, I could see that being the case.
I also do not like the people that stayed out but were around, i.e. Brazil. If there were actually no Scum in the running then it would be easy enough for him to drop his vote off on Splinter and then just watch everything else unfold instead of participating. It felt like he had no stake in the lynch.
Also not a fan of how much Nicole jumps around. She didn't vote for him, but she did mention in post #1348 that Hom3land was her Top Scum. However, her vote after that was on LP because she realized he did not contribute and after Fran called her out on her Benghis -> Hom3land 'easy read'. She then jumps over to gir, stating my post was enough evidence to convince her, and that she no longer had a 'smoking gun' on Hom3land. Despite never voting for him even though she apparently had a good piece of evidence? Then when the vote is tied she does not move back to her 'Top Scum' and just sits on gir.
From votes alone I'd be willing to vote out: LP or Ty. And then go from there. Hom3land I'm unsure of being Scum since his train was almost a pure reaction to the LP Train forming so suddenly. The only thing that would give credence to him being Scum is people move around LP/gir often, but Hom3land sat at 3 for a while and didn't budge until myself and Vere voted. What you read me as is up to you, but I know my own alignment and Vere is confirmed Town. So if Hom3land is Scum, then the people who kept swarming LP/gir are likely a Scummy bunch.
opinions, thoughts, etc. etc. etc.
Starting with Fran's vote at #1357
Votes are currently: Gir(2), Gotham(1), Hom3land(1), Melon(1), Splinter(1), and LP(1)
-#1357 Fran votes for SweetNicole saying her jump from an easy Benghis to an easy Hom3land was scummy.
-#1369 Gorlak votes for Fran because of 'scum vibes' and also feels that he pays special attention to reads of himself.
-#1384 Royal vote for Splinter saying he has been acting strange all game long.
-#1385 gir votes for LP. No reason given.
-#1386 Hom3land votes for LP. Says he has trouble reading others but LP has 'done nothing' and is skating by.
Votes are now: LP(3), Gir(2), Splinter(2), Gotham(1), Fran(1), and Hom3land(1)
-#1390 Nicole votes for LP, citing that he has not done any contributions.
-#1396 Melon votes for Hom3land, citing that she does not like the LP votes
Votes are now: LP(4), gir(2), Hom3land(2), Splinter(2) Gotham(1), and Fran(1)
-#1412 Gotham votes for Hom3land, stating that was her scummiest read.
-#1428 LP votes for gir. No reason given.
-#1429 Ty votes for gir. Almost conveniently forgets why he Town Read him and mentions not liking the LP votes since he isn't being 'scum LP'
Votes are now: LP(4), gir(4), Hom3land(3), Splinter(2), Gotham(1), and Fran(1)
-#1431 Brazil votes for Splinter. Mentions how his reread of LP makes him look better than Splinter. Mentions he misremembered something LP did
-#1446 Fran votes for gir. No Reason given.
Votes are now: gir(5), LP(4), Splinter(3), Hom3land(3), Gotham(1), and Fran(1)
-#1463 Nicole unvotes LP. Reasoning in the above post (?) how people scum read LP for him being quiet all the time
-#1490 Nicole jumps over to gir. Cites that the post I linked her was 'damning evidence' and no longer had a smoking gun on Hom3land.
Votes are now: gir(6), LP(3), Splinter(3), and Hom3land(3). I'm leaving Gotham/Fran out for the rest of this.
-#1496 Sawneeks votes for Hom3land. I said so to Swamped earlier, but I wanted to tie the vote to see who would flinch.
-#1497 Verelios votes for Hom3land in a response to Nicole's vote on gir.
Votes become tied at: gir(5) and Hom3land(5)
-#1505 Verelios unvotes Hom3land, sending gir to die.
-Day Ends
-Royal did try and vote for gir but was too late (#1511)
Oookay. So. First thing that stands out is how fast the LP votes pile in as well as the pushback that happens because of it. Gir, Hom3land, and Nicole all vote for LP in a short amount of time that jumps his count up to (4). In a direct response, Melon votes for Hom3land. ( I looked and couldn't find if she talked about him Day 2 ). Gotham also follows up with a Hom3land vote, aka her original scum read one and then vanishes. LP and Ty swoop in for gir votes, kicking him back up into the forefront.
So we have this weird spot where not much happens until LP takes the lead with votes from: Gir, Hom3land, Nicole, and Stan ( who was not around ).
Shortly after we have Melon and Gotham voting for Hom3land, bringing him back up to 3. Sorian being the initial vote here.
And then LP and Ty jump in to Gir, tying him with LP.
Now with hindsight, we know that Gir is Town. So we have the bonus of being able to look back and Ty's vote seems the most suspicious and 'well-timed' considering he 'forgot' the reason he Scum Read Gir in the first place. However, this only makes sense if LP or Hom3land is Scum, since his vote helped push Gir forward into the lead. Considering at the time that LP was the leader of the votes, I could see that being the case.
I also do not like the people that stayed out but were around, i.e. Brazil. If there were actually no Scum in the running then it would be easy enough for him to drop his vote off on Splinter and then just watch everything else unfold instead of participating. It felt like he had no stake in the lynch.
Also not a fan of how much Nicole jumps around. She didn't vote for him, but she did mention in post #1348 that Hom3land was her Top Scum. However, her vote after that was on LP because she realized he did not contribute and after Fran called her out on her Benghis -> Hom3land 'easy read'. She then jumps over to gir, stating my post was enough evidence to convince her, and that she no longer had a 'smoking gun' on Hom3land. Despite never voting for him even though she apparently had a good piece of evidence? Then when the vote is tied she does not move back to her 'Top Scum' and just sits on gir.
From votes alone I'd be willing to vote out: LP or Ty. And then go from there. Hom3land I'm unsure of being Scum since his train was almost a pure reaction to the LP Train forming so suddenly. The only thing that would give credence to him being Scum is people move around LP/gir often, but Hom3land sat at 3 for a while and didn't budge until myself and Vere voted. What you read me as is up to you, but I know my own alignment and Vere is confirmed Town. So if Hom3land is Scum, then the people who kept swarming LP/gir are likely a Scummy bunch.
opinions, thoughts, etc. etc. etc.
The obvious pattern is the two PRs that are now dead. I'm going with Occam's Razor on this one.
There's definitely some luck involved in those two shots, but it's still way more likely that scum is simply chasing PRs and seeing things we're not than whatever other theory built around meta that you can come up with.
I didn't know about the melon thing, though, so I'll give you that.
I had to leave after putting my vote in, and missed those final votes. *Splinter was very much in the running when I voted against him, and he was my only scum read between the four who were being considered for a lynch (after, as you noted yourself, I reread LP and remove him from my possible scum list). So I disagree when you say that "I stayed out".
Let Sorian and Fran settle their differences between themselves
No point getting involved in that
No point getting involved in that
About 2 hours left in D2, no real votes have fallen anywhere.
gir has a very slight lead (with 2 votes) until 1384-1396 when Splinter gets a vote, I get 3, and hom3 gets one.
That puts me in the lead with 4 votes. 1412, GoG votes hom3, putting him at 3.
1425, Splinter votes for me, but it's incorrectly formatted so it doesn't count.
1428 and 1429, I vote gir, and Ty follows. Then Brazil votes Splinter to give us the above.
#1445, 30 minutes left:
1446, Fran votes gir.
1467, vote count, gir with 5, hom3, Splinter, me with 3.
Only person around at this point that hasn't voted is Vere.
Sorian comes in at 1473. Everyone else seems to be AFK.
1490, SweetNicole votes gir, putting him at 6.
1496, Saw switches to hom3. 1497, Vere votes hom3.
1502, vote count, gir and hom3 tied with 2 minutes left.
1505, Vere unvotes. Day ends at 1510, Royal votes gir at 1511 (isn't counted).
Finally, 18/21 players voted. Benghis was replaced, Kyan was drunk, and Vere unvoted.
gir has a very slight lead (with 2 votes) until 1384-1396 when Splinter gets a vote, I get 3, and hom3 gets one.
That puts me in the lead with 4 votes. 1412, GoG votes hom3, putting him at 3.
1425, Splinter votes for me, but it's incorrectly formatted so it doesn't count.
1428 and 1429, I vote gir, and Ty follows. Then Brazil votes Splinter to give us the above.
#1445, 30 minutes left:
1446, Fran votes gir.
1467, vote count, gir with 5, hom3, Splinter, me with 3.
Only person around at this point that hasn't voted is Vere.
Sorian comes in at 1473. Everyone else seems to be AFK.
1490, SweetNicole votes gir, putting him at 6.
1496, Saw switches to hom3. 1497, Vere votes hom3.
1502, vote count, gir and hom3 tied with 2 minutes left.
1505, Vere unvotes. Day ends at 1510, Royal votes gir at 1511 (isn't counted).
Finally, 18/21 players voted. Benghis was replaced, Kyan was drunk, and Vere unvoted.
My apologies, I was only trying to demonstrate the various correct permutations and intricacies of our Voting system for the sake of the new blood here
Oh I see Sawneeks already tackled that. I was working on it earlier but went away and just posted it when I got back.
The general feeling I got with the last couple hours was mostly apathy. Yes it was a Sunday but with so many people away and votes so spread out, scum should be a little more nervous if one of them was on the table. Like, there was little to no pushback on the gir votes.
The general feeling I got with the last couple hours was mostly apathy. Yes it was a Sunday but with so many people away and votes so spread out, scum should be a little more nervous if one of them was on the table. Like, there was little to no pushback on the gir votes.
I would work harder to impress you but I'm not convinced you are town.
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