god, the cognitive dissonance here. you literally didn't address anything anyone has said, including the fact that the full video has been circulating around this thread and seemingly hasn't changed any minds
it's sort of amazing to me how fans of this dude paint him as some richly complex figure who's words you can't truly decipher without watching hours and hours of video for additional "context"
"oh, Jordan Peterson said 'feminists support Muslims because of a desire for brutal male domination'? well, ever consider he wasn't talking about actual feminists or Muslims, and only said 'brutal male domination' in a cutesy sort of way?"
seriously, be honest: do you guys always read what he says as if it's Ulysses or something, or only when you can't deny how shitty it sounds?
Because I had just came here and to see ppl already bashing the guy was frustrating
Btw, I watched the linked video ....the discussion, in general, was about extremists hence radical feminism is talked about, and I emphasize radical feminism, and also, he's made a distinction between what feminism is by definition, which is an absolutely noble act, and what we have now as a modern feminism which is radical.
Extremists, of any form, are not acceptable. There's nothing good about them, I hope you agree with me because this will be my foundation in this discussion: Extremists, of any form, are not acceptable and are potentially dangerous.
Now the next key word is "unconscious", this is a Freudian concept:
Freud (1900, 1905) developed a
topographical model of the mind, whereby he described the features of the mind's structure and function. Freud used the analogy of an iceberg to describe the three levels of the mind.
On the surface is consciousness, which consists of those thoughts that are the focus of our attention now, and this is seen as the tip of the iceberg. The preconscious consists of all which can be retrieved from memory.
The third and most significant region is the unconscious. Here lie the processes that are the real cause of most behavior. Like an iceberg, the most important part of the mind is the part you cannot see.
The unconscious mind acts as a repository, a 'cauldron' of primitive wishes and impulse kept at bay and mediated by the preconscious area.For example, Freud (1915) found that some events and desires were often too frightening or painful for his patients to acknowledge, and believed such information was locked away in the unconscious mind. This can happen through the process of repression.
So that's our "unconscious", which is a key word and you left it out, he didn't say "brutal male domination:, he said "an unconscious ...", BIG difference.
And that is arguable, as a psychology student and a believer in Freud and Jung, I can understand the correlation between unconscious and extremism and what Peterson suggests is plausible.
Overall, despite what ppl in this thread think, he's not saying anything against women, he's not a misogynist , he's an advocate of freedom and freedom of speech and worries about the potential brutal ramifications of extremists. And as a person who lives in an authoritarian extremist Islamic country, he's right about anything he said about Islam and how such countries govern their ppl.
