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Dusk Golem

Local Horror Enthusiast
Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,807
we have so many same tastes

Where do I sign this?

While FF2 is definitely the most praised entry, FF3 is where the series truly peaked. The scariest game of the series by far and the unnerving atmosphere built around your apartment throughout the game is nothing short of masterful and comparable with movie classics from the J-horror genre. It also tells the best story and includes possibly the greatest jumpscare I have ever experienced in a videogame, one that really made me jump in my seat, which never happens to me otherwise.

On topic – I think we'll definitely see more Fatal Frame down the road, maybe even a Nintendo exclusive again now with Switch selling gangbusters. The franchise was never a huge hit, but every game seems to be made on a low to moderate budget, which could bring us another sequel or a reboot.

Nah, FF2 is the best game, FF3 gimmick was good and well implemented that's it

I can see why FF2 is a lot of people's favorite, I think it has the best setting and pacing in the series and something I'll call, "Artistic Horror" elements. Artistic Horror is something to me that is visually interesting with symbolic and dark tones, Fatal Frame 2 uses this to great effect with its titular "Crimson Butterfly", which has some fun multi-layered meaning that's reflective in the game, plus is simply an interesting piece of imagery. FF2 has this in various other elements such as the graveyard with pinwheels, the doll maker's house, the island house with the raining outdoor stairway, etc. I do think FF2 benefits from having less back-tracking/retreading and padding than the later entries and even the first entry, and the sort of open form of the village is memorable. Add to this I do think FF2's antagonist is a bit overall creepier than FF3's and some of the ghost in FF2 are memorable, like the twin with the doll sister or the broken neck ghost. Also frankly Fatal Frame 2 I think is the most 'accessible' entry in the franchise, the ghost are a LOT more fair than FF1 (there were some sort of cheap ghost in the original), and the game is notably also the easiest entry and most forgiving with items (no joke, I finished Fatal Frame 2 my first time playing ever with over 50 herbal medicines). I also don't dislike FF2's story, but I think it's a bit straight-forward. It explores its themes interestingly and I view it as a story that builds to its conclusion, but it doesn't really have much in the way of surprise or anything. Maybe this is just me, but I had guessed exactly where every story element in the game was going within the first 10 minutes of the game, even the fate and being of all the characters in the game, but I view it that surprise wasn't the point, more the exploration of its themes.

And I realize this is subjective, but I think FF3 is my favorite for a few reasons. I think FF3 sort of hones in on the theme of the whole franchise the best and with the most impact; the tragedy of death. It brings back the characters from FF1 and FF2 and shows the aftermath of those games, exploring how just surviving a horrific experience doesn't mean it's over for you and how the scars it leaves can still affect you long after. It's very rare for a game to explore how the events of games previous may negatively affect the characters in the future, Resident Evil for example has the characters get stronger and most other franchises tackle returning characters in a more favored light, but FF3 highlights the tragedy of their experiences and the heart of the curse of Fatal Frame is focused on that loss and the effects of traumatic experiences. More than the other entries FF3 captures a depressingly somber tone, getting caught in a period of your life where things come to a standstill. And then of course as most people will remember it feverishly degrades the depressive into creepy as the house deteriorates slowly with the state of our character.

Rei is different than most FF protagonist. She's not a teen nor does she come off as fragile as the leads in FF games usually do, but a broken women in her 20s. She isn't as frilly as Miku or Mio, and as we get to see her a lot more outside of the horror context there's a greater understanding of who she is, where she's coming from, and it becomes a more personal experience. Fatal Frame 1 & 2 the depth of the main characters is about saving a loved one, for Miku her brother and Mio her twin sister. Miku has little personality in the original game (to help insert you a bit more into the role), and FF2 Mio is overtly focused on Miyu we don't get much from her character outside of her being the more capable and stronger of the two siblings who watches out for the other. FF3 not only fleshes out Miku a lot more as a character, but Rei despite having had a loved one also loses them, we delve into her hobbies, what she aspired to, what she lost outside of her fiance, her history, and her personality and interaction with others.

And Rei is not the only fleshed out thing, FF1 & FF2 focus more on the location hauntings for the majority of the plot. Fatal Frame 3 takes place in a location that's been lost to time, what remains is a memory, a dream version of a location that no longer exists, holding its spirits in a state of limbo. It's a place that reaches out to those being consumed by their depression from loss and pulls them into the dream, but it begins to mark and affect the real world. It corrupts the area around those who are marked with a tattoo for their scars, and the story of why this place exists I think is a lot more interesting than the mansion of FF1 or the lost village of FF2. The citizens of the house are explored and made more human due to the focus on tragedy, the main antagonist has a lot more depth as well than either FF1's or FF2's antagonist (FF1's main villain was a heartbroken maiden who sacrificed herself, FF2's main villain was a crazed sister who was yandere for her sister).

And even outside of the house hauntings, FF3's actual haunting location I think manages to be the best. The gameplay in Fatal Frame 3 enhances FF2's system with a few additions and more varied enemy types, but it also differs itself with what character you're playing as. Fatal Frame 3 has you play as Miku and Kei at different points which alter in how they play exactly, with Kei being more defenseless and Miku having some quirks that makes her play more like herself in FF1 (even with changes to the combat to reflect FF1 a bit more). Fatal Frame 3 has a number of great moments to supplement this, ranging from the chapter where you deal with the four singing shrine maidens to the famous crawlspace scene, to the ghost that comes out of film, or what is in my opinion the greatest climax the series has had when you go down to the underground river. Has the best final boss in the franchise as well.

Fatal Frame 1 & 2 have you repeating the same puzzles over and over again, while FF3 has more varied and interesting puzzles. FF3 has a number of great hidden and optional scenes you can stumble into, like the room under the stairs that's usually locked which is mysteriously unlocked for one part of the game and what it leads to or what happens when you play as Miku when you don't go after Mafuyu. I think FF3 captures some of the best parts of FF1 and FF2 in the parts where you go to rooms from the previous games but graphically updated, and it highlights how different parts of this dream manor are being added to by the scars of those that came before (and begins to make you realize what certain parts of the house mean with some hidden symbolism, making the environments related to the ghost there). It's unlockable battle game mode is also a big improvement from the previous entries.

I should cut off before I turn this more long-winded than it already is, but for me Fatal Frame 3 was where the series peaked. I think FF2 does some things better than FF3, but I adored the hell out of the third entry and have found it more interesting to replay than FF2 at least.
 

SephLuis

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,343
A friend of mine is a huge fan and I managed to finish FF2 while FF3 probably gave me the worst nightmare of my life (lucid dream, if you played it you know what happened).

I honestly don't think that the camera shown in the Nintendo Labo trailer is for nothing. They mustbe plannnig something for it.
 

Koppai

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,417
I never played the Wii U game, I think they should port it to Switch and make a new one for it
 

Notaskwid

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,652
Osaka
I bought a whole Wii for 4, a whole 3ds mostly for Spirit camera (which sucks and never worked properly for me) and a whole WiiU for 5. I'll do the same if there is a new one for Switch.
 

TreIII

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,280
Columbia, MD
Count me in.

Love this series, and definitely would love to see it get another continuance. These last few years, I've been hoping and waiting for KT and/or Nintendo to say SOMETHING.
 
Nov 6, 2017
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It's funny -- I was I just talking to someone about this yesterday. 100% agree. I think a Fatal Frame game on the Switch would be pretty awesome.
 
OP
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FATAL FRAME S\/VITCH
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Deleted member 33571

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Obviously a ghost? I don't understand, I think the screenshot is from the fourth game he was Yono Ihato, from the D'ittoem, maybe I'm wrong
This is some next-level shit. That image killed me.

On topic, I've never played any of these but I'd definitely be interested in a new one, the camera gimmick is really neat and seems like a lot more fun than combat-based horror games, which I've never gotten into.
 

FormatCompatible

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,071
I love the games so I tracked down the movie to watch. Was surprised that was actually a very slow paced and atmospheric film instead of a cheesy ghost movie. The plot while having very thin connections on the overall storyline of the games (camera obscura is there but not used in the way the games do so it's nothing more than cheap fan-service) the themes and ideas of love and sacrifice were there, was even more so surprised it how it explored characters struggling with being lesbians in a very tradicional/unreceptive society in what a thought was a surprisingly graceful way.

Overall the film has a elegance to it that I really was not expecting, it doesn't even have gore and barely any jump scares which people might not like but frankly I found it to be a breath of fresh air compared to most j-horror stuff.

Would I recommend it? Only if you not go expecting a ''based on to the hit videogame'' Fatal Frame movie lol. Don't go expecting girls killing ghosts with a camera basically, just watch it as a slow and nice looking mystery story about ghosts and homosexuality.
 

casiopao

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
5,044
I love the games so I tracked down the movie to watch. Was surprised that was actually a very slow paced and atmospheric film instead of a cheesy ghost movie. The plot while having very thin connections on the overall storyline of the games (camera obscura is there but not used in the way the games do so it's nothing more than cheap fan-service) the themes and ideas of love and sacrifice were there, was even more so surprised it how it explored characters struggling with being lesbians in a very tradicional/unreceptive society in what a thought was a surprisingly graceful way.

Overall the film has a elegance to it that I really was not expecting, it doesn't even have gore and barely any jump scares which people might not like but frankly I found it to be a breath of fresh air compared to most j-horror stuff.

Would I recommend it? Only if you not go expecting a ''based on to the hit videogame'' Fatal Frame movie lol. Don't go expecting girls killing ghosts with a camera basically, just watch it as a slow and nice looking mystery story about ghosts and homosexuality.

It js truly Citrus done right with horror element lol.
 

RedMercury

Blue Venus
Member
Dec 24, 2017
17,674
I tried the demo on Wii U and really didn't like the controls, i don't know if all the game are like that but if they ever fixed that I'd love to try it out again.
 

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I don't know where this idea that Fatal Frame V flopped comes from. It actually sold similar to other Project Zero games in Japan and had decent numbers that surpassed games like the original title for PS2 and the II remake for Wii. It's just like 20k copies away from the best selling entry in the series there (IV for Wii) and I don't think we even have data for digital sales.
I don't know about international sales, but they can't be too big as NoA ruined the game's release, but I don't think Nintendo or KT would blame the IP for this.

Also worth saying that V was released together with a live action movie that did well in box office. I think we will see more of the franchise on the Switch as Nintendo was really involved with V's production and Koei Tecmo said they want to make exclusives for the Switch (I actually can't think of another Nintendo exclusive franchise they have).
 
Dec 2, 2017
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Seems Nights of Azure 2 got a Fatal Frame skin on Switch.

http://www.nintendojo.com/news/nights-of-azure-2-will-get-a-fatal-frame-skin-on-switch

Also worth saying that V was released together with a live action movie that did well in box office. I think we will see more of the franchise on the Switch as Nintendo was really involved with V's production and Koei Tecmo said they want to make exclusives for the Switch (I actually can't think of another Nintendo exclusive franchise they have).

Has there been any more news on the Hollywood movie?
 

Barn

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,137
Los Angeles
I'm not sure what the current rights relationship is with Nintendo and this series, but it was massively underserved in the West previously. From where I'm standing, a Fatal Frame HD collection for Switch seems like it'd make a smart low-budget filler release that could finally find its Western market on a console that's not only currently experiencing really solid software sales, but one that seems to skew to an older audience than the Wii and Wii U. I'd buy a copy for sure, anyways.
 

Medalion

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
12,203
I'll allow it...

Everytime I see a new Fatal Frame game, it looks pretty interesting, and can only imagine it getting better with better horsepower
 

IwazaruK7

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,155
Problem with Fatal Frame 5 is how people know about costume scandal lalalalalala, and dont give a thing about actual game, and dont even know how heartful and subtile it is.
 

Melchiah

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,190
Helsinki, Finland
As others said, Nintendo owns Spirit Camera, but only co-owns the games that were exclusive on their platforms (4/5).
Koei-Tecmo still owns the whole Fatal Frame/Project Zero, last news were about Team Ninja being responsible of it (they helped on 5), and creators thinking a new platform might be the right time to make another game (implying probably either Switch or VR).

I loved the first three on the PS2. If they make another, I hope it'll be available on PS/XB platforms as well, so the longtime fans can experience it.
 

Dascu

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,994
Really liked 4 and the remake of 2 on the Wii. I hope they make another one, or at least port 5 to the Switch.
 

XenoTar

Member
Jan 23, 2018
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Nintendo owns Eternal Darkness too.

I'm not really that surprised anymore. (Especially them owning Fatal Frame.)
 

litebrite

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
21,832
Besides the low budget Indonesian game DreadOut, I've always been surprised nobody else has tried to copy it's camera game mechanics for a horror game.
 

Gradon

Saw the truth behind the copied door
Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,476
UK
Nintendo don't own it. They just co-own the Nintendo released ones.

3 and 4 were my favourites, I adore this series so much. It's a shame Nintendo of Europe cancelled their Project Zero 4 localisation. I remember seeing the ads in official Nintendo magazine :(

Have to say, NoA done you guys dirty with the whole series though. NoE showing it a lot more love. Blessed be NoE for giving me a physical release of 2 remake and 5
 

ragnarok21

Member
Nov 26, 2017
231
I only played the second one on Wii, and I would really like more of these games (even if they are ports/remakes).

Also replaying the second one for different endings is on the neverending list of pending stuff.