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Gotham S4 |OT| Solomon Grundy, Born On A Monday - Thursdays 8/7c
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He was interesting for a few episodes training to be more like Batman now hes a complete waste of time that I rather they spend on the better villains.
He was great until this current mess which even then was fine for a bit but they ran it into the ground.
The actor is fine. It's just that Bruce is being a bratty little cunt. Alfred should've knocked him the fuck out.
Its almost as if he's on a journey of self-discovery... to be honest they made Bruce too focused too quickly. He needed this self-destructive streak earlier.
No, he's just being a brat for the sake of being a brat. Self-discovery isn't about being a cunt to the man who's taken you on his son of sorts, or about splashing your cash to impress your friends. Ship him off abroad and let him become Batman as the story goes.
It is called being a teenager who also has to deal with a lot of shit including the knowledge that he murdered another person.
But he's just a brat, eh?
It's my opinion. I'm entitled to it. Much like how you're entitled to yours.
I don't think it'd be that terrible for you. You'd just have to pick up on a few nuances. The show's been good about building on past events pretty well without them being totally mandatory.
Might get a bit confused about which evil girl Jim is currently sleeping with, though.
Yeah, and I think its a dumb one.
He killed someone. If you think him acting out like this is just him being a brat then you don't deserve good characterisation.
Bruce is acting like a brat, because he's also processing events through a child's mind. The whole thing is him running away from responsibility for his actions. It didn't make as much sense earlier, but now it does to me at least. Can't wait for the inevitable face turn tho.
Every episode recently has been fun.
I'm actually glad Alfred got fired so there is less of the same fighting over and over but now Bruce can be a douche to other people and that might be more interesting.
It's too quick for him to face turn since they went down this path. He will probably be a heel the rest of the season.
I'm actually glad Alfred got fired so there is less of the same fighting over and over but now Bruce can be a douche to other people and that might be more interesting.
It's too quick for him to face turn since they went down this path. He will probably be a heel the rest of the season.
An extended break from the Bruce Wayne character wouldn't be a terrible idea. Just to let the actor physically mature a bit more to eventually fill the role we know he'll become. I don't think the current heel turn is very popular and continuing with that isn't going to help the show's ratings.
I don't think we'll see either. There will be some sort of event that will snap him out of it and that will happen sooner than later. Batman in development is really a big part of the Gotham show so this is just a bump in the road and part of the learning process. Douche Bruce won't last long.
I don't think we'll see either. There will be some sort of event that will snap him out of it and that will happen sooner than later. Batman in development is really a big part of the Gotham show so this is just a bump in the road and part of the learning process. Douche Bruce won't last long.
I agree with you.
I hate the current Bruce, but I understand what they are trying to do. The character has to touch rock bottom before he can finally rise.
It's annoying, but it makes his redemption all the more satisfying.
However, I also agree that his transformation was too drastic, too quick. He was mopping about stabbing Alfred to death two weeks ago and now he hates him and has him fired. His fall should have been more subtle at first.
I find, that Bruce reaction to anything is perfectly normal. The boy got another child killed, because he was too much into his mission, and then killed another person (well, thinks he killed him. He killed the guy, who is known for coming back from the death). You can't get away form something like this and just be normal. Bruce reacts extreme to an extreme situation. He is afraid of his actions and what he became, so he starts to react unreasonable and tries to numb his feelings. Makes completely sense and show uses other story-lines to keep the tune from not getting to grim (even so we reached rock bottom for all main characters).
All this also makes sense in him becoming Batman. At the start of the session we saw Bruce trying to play his Playboy persona, which didn't worked at all. But now him having go through such a phase for real, he can use this knowledge to really play this roll perfectly. Acting from true experience is very persuasive.
The same goes for him actually experience, what it means to have somebody get killed and killing somebody. Those feeling will help him building his infamous rock-solid morality and having sympathy with criminals (he wants to stop AND help them, if possible) and other people, which went to serious traumas.
If Gotham plays his cards right, it can show, that Batman isn't just a hero, because of its gadget and money. But also because of his will and compassion for others.
All this also makes sense in him becoming Batman. At the start of the session we saw Bruce trying to play his Playboy persona, which didn't worked at all. But now him having go through such a phase for real, he can use this knowledge to really play this roll perfectly. Acting from true experience is very persuasive.
The same goes for him actually experience, what it means to have somebody get killed and killing somebody. Those feeling will help him building his infamous rock-solid morality and having sympathy with criminals (he wants to stop AND help them, if possible) and other people, which went to serious traumas.
If Gotham plays his cards right, it can show, that Batman isn't just a hero, because of its gadget and money. But also because of his will and compassion for others.
The idea is great but the change was too drastic and too quick, like we needed at least another episode worth of build-up to swinging on then firing Al.
Actually no, this could potentially buy Gotham multiple seasons.
Yeah, I was wondering about this... How does this deal work now with a WB property on a Disney owned station now? Does it not really matter since TV shows are kinda made by all different parent studios and sold off anyway?
Disney didn't get the Fox Network Gotham airs on,
But they get the actual Fox television productions that aired on Fox.
So basically Fox Network loses stuff like The Simpsons,(Fox Network could potentially license it back though)
This is why it could potentially help stuff like Gotham, Lucifer and Lethal Weapon, they are Warner Brothers television productions and would provide stability until the Network eventually finds its new direction.
Sofia's annoying as hell. Any chance she'll eventually get a permadeath? :)
Also, Zsaz clearly cared about Old Man Falcone. He's not going to take it well when he finds out Sofia killed him.
Also, Zsaz clearly cared about Old Man Falcone. He's not going to take it well when he finds out Sofia killed him.
Agreed.
Think David's been doing a great job in the role, and this season especially loved the proto-Batman and roleplaying Bruce early in the season.
Yup, I think it's working fine (if a bit stretched out, but still fine so far) and really looking forward to when he breaks out of the spiral and starts coming back.
Yeah, get ready for one hell of a reaction when he finds out the truth. Just like the amazing moment when he abandoned Penguin.
I know this isn't supposed to line up exactly with Bat-mythos, but it would do a world of good if Bruce left to travel abroad for training for a season or two... even if they panned back to show his progress from time to time. But I don't think the show runners have the nerve to pull it off, as they seem to think Bruce needs to be interacting with others in some capacity.
Well he lived on the streets with Selina for a time. As much as i like Batman Begins, it kind of make more sense, instead of him going into some far away country. Batman is known to understand criminals and especially how Gotham works. So him having spend time on ground level, actually gives him this knowledge. Coming back from a far away country feels like he is disconnected from the people of the city.
Through i still would find it great, if he also travels around, so that he gets some perspective of the world and people in general.
S04E11: Queen Takes Knight
Wow Carmine Falcone is a real boss. He has always been one of my favorites on the show since the first season, and it's been so nice having him in the background opposed to totally out of the show.
That kiss was a sting to her father.
Fuuuuuuuuck, that's Falcone done over it. Dammit. Who was behind this shit? Jerome? Pyg? Penguin? Sofia? I should have knocked on the wood!
I really like how Jim delivered that "shit up!"
Whoa, Victor going behind Penguin's back. This is great! Hahaha. I will be fine if Penguin is placed in Arkham for some time so other characters can get some spotlight. Yay, finally we done with Solomon Grundy! Oh and that mirror scene with the Riddler looks so damn good. This is the best Riddler I've ever seen in live action and I'm enjoying every moment of it.
Yeah I had this feeling she was the one behind her father's murder. I love this Sofia man. Fucking Bruce ugh. That said I understand why he is lashing out, he is handling it with a teenage mind and having killed somebody is not some easy thing to deal with.
That Jerome tease. I hope his arc isn't too long. Was never a fan of him, but I'll give it a chance and see what they come up with with this character.
Wow Carmine Falcone is a real boss. He has always been one of my favorites on the show since the first season, and it's been so nice having him in the background opposed to totally out of the show.
That kiss was a sting to her father.
Fuuuuuuuuck, that's Falcone done over it. Dammit. Who was behind this shit? Jerome? Pyg? Penguin? Sofia? I should have knocked on the wood!
I really like how Jim delivered that "shit up!"
Whoa, Victor going behind Penguin's back. This is great! Hahaha. I will be fine if Penguin is placed in Arkham for some time so other characters can get some spotlight. Yay, finally we done with Solomon Grundy! Oh and that mirror scene with the Riddler looks so damn good. This is the best Riddler I've ever seen in live action and I'm enjoying every moment of it.
Yeah I had this feeling she was the one behind her father's murder. I love this Sofia man. Fucking Bruce ugh. That said I understand why he is lashing out, he is handling it with a teenage mind and having killed somebody is not some easy thing to deal with.
That Jerome tease. I hope his arc isn't too long. Was never a fan of him, but I'll give it a chance and see what they come up with with this character.
I'm massively behind (just 1 episode into the season), and Fox's site only has the last three episodes. Guess I'll have to LTTP on Netflix later.
Much prefer that to returning for like 2-3 episodes and disappearing until about summer again.
Good to know the character is coming back. That's a great horror character that deserves more Gotham airtime.