• Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
  • We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.

MopDog

Member
Nov 15, 2017
550
Over the past year and a half I've gone on a huge fantasy kick for some reason. There's a lot of trash (as is typical of genre fiction), but there are some truly great reads as well. I dabbled in many different series, from Malazan to Farseer, from First Law to Dresden Files, some Book of the New Sun in there, some Neil Gaiman, Guy Gavriel Kay, Josiash Bancroft, among others. Before this, the only fantasy works I read were A Song of Ice and Fire and the first Dune novel.

Do we have any other fans of the genre here? What are your favorite books? What are you currently reading?

Right now I'm on the third book of the First Law trilogy and it's fantastic. Abercrombie is a hell of a writer. He has blindsided me with nearly every major event or character arc. I think I know where something is going and Joe just turns it on its head. I love that.
 

kittens

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,237
Ursula K Le Leguin's Earthsea novels. I'm rereading Tombs of Atuan right now and I'm floored at how good it is.
 

linkboy

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,690
Reno
I'm a huge fan of the genre.

Somme of my favorite books include

Tolkien's books
The Witcher Series
The Runelords
The Shannara books
 

less

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,838
Ursula K Le Leguin's Earthsea novels. I'm rereading Tombs of Atuan right now and I'm floored at how good it is.

I plan on rereading her books this weekend. I had some really fond memories of her works as a young teen. :(

OP, have you read the Goblin Emperor? If not, give it a read. One of the more enjoyable fantasy books in recent memory.

Not really reading anything at the moment but here are some of my favorite books:

- Earthsea novels
- Lord of the Rings
- Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn
- Malazan Book of the Fallen
- The Curse of Chalion
- The Belgariad
 

Pixel Grotto

Member
Oct 27, 2017
894
I found myself loving the Witcher games so much that I went and read the books, which are great and offer a lot of backstory into the world. I highly recommend them, they are finally all translated into English and very accessible.

Chinese edition cover of book one, The Last Wish... (The Chinese editions have the best covers)

81FHBok%2B79L.jpg


Other than the Witcher, I have been listening to the audiobooks of The Wheel of Time series, which I attempted to read as a kid but stumbled over Robert Jordan's overly lengthy passages. Good god, is there a lot of filler in this series...but I'm currently listening to book 11 (Knife of Dreams) out of 14 and overall I do like the story, despite its myriad of problems. If you dig epic fantasy and can deal with Naruto-style filler, this is worth a listen...not sure if the books are worth READING, though, haha.

wheel-of-time-covers.png


Since I got into D&D last year, I've also been reading The Legend of Drizzt books. They are easy reads - not exactly well written - but fun if you play D&D and unpretentious, which is a refreshing breath of air in the fantasy genre. The series has its ups and downs but ultimately, Drizzt is a fine character.

51-awGyImoL.jpg


Finally, they're not exactly fantasy, but I highly recommend The Dark Tower series. Incredible post-apocalyptic westerns.

DarkTower_TM.jpg
 

1000 Needles

Self-requested ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,138
Canada
I'm currently on a Brandon Sanderson kick. His Mistborn series is very accessible, and I highly recommend it. He is absolutely top notch when it comes to creating unique magical systems, and Mistborn has 3 that are unique, yet tie together brilliantly
 

FlintSpace

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,817
I think Brandon Sanderson qualifies.

No seriously, I know everybody hypes the book they love but go read Mistborn Books and The way of Kings books. God damn amazing stuff.

Had been reading the Gentleman Bastards these days and if you like Game of Thrones, that book is basically Oceans 11 in Westeros. Only half way done till now.
 

gforguava

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,705
swordspoint.jpg
tpots_cover.jpg
the-fall-of-the-kings.jpg

image.jpg
image.jpg


My favorite is easily the Riverside series by Ellen Kushner and company. There is nothing like opening a fantasy novel and finding it to be almost completely devoid of the trappings of the fantasy books that I had absorbed until then, there would be no elves or dwarves here, no 'end of the world' style stakes to the drama, just a city full of people. I had no idea that a fantasy novel could exist like this or that, partly(largely?) thanks to Swordspoint(the first Riverside book) there was a whole subgenre of like-minded works(the wonderful 'Fantasy of Manners').

In the Riverside stories the rich scheme and back-stab and jockey for positions of power while the poor live in the older part of the city, the series titular Riverside. The romances were queer as often as not, delightfully foreign to the genre staples of the day. And for every duel in a back alley there was a social event where the affluent would wield words as weapons, I'm certain I'm not the first to say something to the effect of "A rapier in one hand and a rapier wit in the other."

And the fact that the series got an unexpected second wind with the Tremontaine serial is maybe the best surprise I could've ever asked for. I knew no one who even read any of the books and somehow Serial Box came along and basically said "Here is some more of that thing you, and seemingly only you, love."
 
Last edited:
Oct 28, 2017
5,050
I just started Patrick Rothfuss' The Name of the Wind not too long ago, and have been picking away at it since. The characters and world-building are strong without being long-winded, and the author's prose is top notch. Also quite a bit of humor when necessary.

510z6ue2%2BkL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
 

Orio

Member
Oct 27, 2017
241
swordspoint.jpg
tpots_cover.jpg
the-fall-of-the-kings.jpg

image.jpg
image.jpg


My favorite is easily the Riverside series by Ellen Kushner and company. There is nothing like opening a fantasy novel and finding it to be almost completely devoid of the trappings of the fantasy books that I had absorbed until then, there would be no elves or dwarves here, no 'end of the world' style stakes to the drama, just a city full of people. I had no idea that a fantasy novel could exist like this or that, partly(largely?) thanks to Swordspoint(the first Riverside book) there was a whole subgenre of like-minded works(the wonderful 'Fantasy of Manners').

In the Riverside stories the rich scheme and back-stab and jockey for positions of power while the poor live in the older part of the city, the series titular Riverside. The romances were queer as often as not, delightfully foreign to the genre staples of the day. And for every duel in a back alley there was a social event where the affluent would wield words as weapons, I'm certain I'm not the first to say something to the effect of "A rapier in one hand and a rapier wit in the other."

And the fact that the series got an unexpected second wind with the Tremontaine serial is maybe the best surprise I could've ever asked for. I knew no one who even read any of the books and somehow Serial Box came along and basically said "Here is some more of that thing you, and seemingly only you, love."

Did not expect to see someone recommending Ellen Kushner here! I have to second this recommendation, it's some really good stuff. I have yet to read the serial though, I need to get on that.
 
Oct 29, 2017
13,513
Don't skip the 3 additional books of the Fist Law, OP. Best Served Cold may be the best straightforward plot of all six novels. I listened to the Audiobook and it is probably also my favorite performance from an audio book narrator to date. It helps that Abercrombie is fantastic at witty dialogue.
 

Wracu

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,396
I'd recommend R. Scott Bakker's Second Apocalypse series of books. There's a lot that could be said, but I'd implore you to just go in fresh.

Seven books are out now, and it's at a point where it could in many ways be considered finished. The author has signaled his intention to write additional books (which is also fine).

Much like ASOIAF, there is a LOT of information buried in the text to discover, if you're into that. Stay off the internet though, you'll be immediately spoiled at this point. Even the names of the later books/series are mild spoilers.

You'd want to start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The seven books are split into two series (with a third due... at some point, though the second has a conclusion that works perfectly well). I wouldn't look up anything past that.

An additional parallel to ASOIAF is that the first series of books is heavily based on a real historical event (The Crusades).

MOD EDIT: Changed the image URL since the last one was causing a malware warning for some users.

21766b24cd9146b72e469ed37b92486f--stack-of-books-fantasy-books.jpg
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Pau

Self-Appointed Godmother of Bruce Wayne's Children
Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,847
swordspoint.jpg
tpots_cover.jpg
the-fall-of-the-kings.jpg

image.jpg
image.jpg


My favorite is easily the Riverside series by Ellen Kushner and company. There is nothing like opening a fantasy novel and finding it to be almost completely devoid of the trappings of the fantasy books that I had absorbed until then, there would be no elves or dwarves here, no 'end of the world' style stakes to the drama, just a city full of people. I had no idea that a fantasy novel could exist like this or that, partly(largely?) thanks to Swordspoint(the first Riverside book) there was a whole subgenre of like-minded works(the wonderful 'Fantasy of Manners').

In the Riverside stories the rich scheme and back-stab and jockey for positions of power while the poor live in the older part of the city, the series titular Riverside. The romances were queer as often as not, delightfully foreign to the genre staples of the day. And for every duel in a back alley there was a social event where the affluent would wield words as weapons, I'm certain I'm not the first to say something to the effect of "A rapier in one hand and a rapier wit in the other."

And the fact that the series got an unexpected second wind with the Tremontaine serial is maybe the best surprise I could've ever asked for. I knew no one who even read any of the books and somehow Serial Box came along and basically said "Here is some more of that thing you, and seemingly only you, love."
This sounds like something I would enjoy. :o
 

djinn

Member
Nov 16, 2017
15,767
It used to be the only genre I read haha. I much prefer science fiction now but it's still fun to read fantasy fiction.

My favourites are:

The Wheel of Time
The Belgariad
The Silmarilion
The Alloy of Law series
Bone
Lud-in-the-Mist
 
Oct 29, 2017
13,513
Terry Pratchett's DiscWorld
Love them. But it is a bit intimidating to start because there are so many of them and one has to read their individual series in order. Each series has its own different flavour.

Rincewind: Mel Brooks style parody of everything fantasy.

Witches: Satire of fairy tale tropes and theater classics.

Night Watch / Ankh Morpork: Fantasy detective fiction and sociopolitical satire. Frequent parody of Hollywood tropes.

Death: Philosophical comedy with religious themes.

I would say it is ok for people to skip one or another if they are not your cup of tea. Rincewind novels may bee too silly for some.
 

Deleted member 25606

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 29, 2017
8,973
My favorite fantasy stories of all time are Harlan Ellison, I like short fiction and prefer anything fantasy that's not medieval or sword and sandal.

My second favorite is Gaiman and then a big nod to Terry Pratchett, Discworld turned everything you know about what most people think when they hear the genre fantasy on its ear, and had a biting take on social issues from the third book or so right until the end.
 
OP
OP
MopDog

MopDog

Member
Nov 15, 2017
550
swordspoint.jpg
tpots_cover.jpg
the-fall-of-the-kings.jpg

image.jpg
image.jpg


My favorite is easily the Riverside series by Ellen Kushner and company. There is nothing like opening a fantasy novel and finding it to be almost completely devoid of the trappings of the fantasy books that I had absorbed until then, there would be no elves or dwarves here, no 'end of the world' style stakes to the drama, just a city full of people. I had no idea that a fantasy novel could exist like this or that, partly(largely?) thanks to Swordspoint(the first Riverside book) there was a whole subgenre of like-minded works(the wonderful 'Fantasy of Manners').

In the Riverside stories the rich scheme and back-stab and jockey for positions of power while the poor live in the older part of the city, the series titular Riverside. The romances were queer as often as not, delightfully foreign to the genre staples of the day. And for every duel in a back alley there was a social event where the affluent would wield words as weapons, I'm certain I'm not the first to say something to the effect of "A rapier in one hand and a rapier wit in the other."

And the fact that the series got an unexpected second wind with the Tremontaine serial is maybe the best surprise I could've ever asked for. I knew no one who even read any of the books and somehow Serial Box came along and basically said "Here is some more of that thing you, and seemingly only you, love."

Thanks for the rec! Never heard of this series, though it sounds right up my alley.

Does it share similarities with A Song of Ice and Fire?
 

TheXbox

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 29, 2017
6,560
51yf9TfEUML._SX308_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg


This on the pantheon of great fantasy novels next to Tolkien and Martin. I don't see it get mentioned very often in fantasy circles but it really is marvelous.
 

Lady Catherine de Bourgh

Teyvat Traveler
Member
Oct 27, 2017
832
I love fantasy. Some of my personal favourites are.
  • All books by Robin Hobb. I just love her books and regularly reread them
  • Lyonesse by Jack Vance is one of the first fantasy novels I read.
  • Books by CS Friedman of which I don't know the English titles and don't have time to look it up now
  • Books of Juliet Marillier that have a wonderful Celtic fairytale quality
There are more but in a bit of rush now.
 

Deleted member 25606

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 29, 2017
8,973
I've heard good things about Clive Barker's Imajica and Weaveworld.
Weaveworld is really good but it was the very beginning of Clive's transition from hardcore horror into more fantasy and it shows, it's more like running a fantasy idea through a horror filter.

Imajica on the other hand is one of the greatest novels I have ever read and would recommend it to anybody regardless of what they like as ling as they are not bigots, because Clive explores both gay characters and notions of gender.
 

FlexMentallo

The Fallen
Oct 29, 2017
1,000
Los Angeles
Raymond E. Feist - the OG Riftwar trilogy in particular
- Magician, Silverthorn, A Darkness at Sethanon

David Gemmell
- Legend, Waylander, most of his stuff is really readable

Abercrombie
- Heroes & Red Country are my favorites of his, but you probably should read the original trilogy first

Moorcock
-I dug Hawkmoon & Count Brass series, had a very early D&D feel to them. Read them a looooong time ago, though.

Julian May
- Saga of Exiles - sort of fantasy/sf mix - really liked this series back in the day, no idea if it holds up.

I am slowly reading the first Malazan book, I like it, but it's going to take forever to read the whole series.

I remember really liking Weaveworld and Imajica, but I read them back in the early 90s so memories are vague.
 
Last edited:

Eldy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,192
Maryland
I grew up reading a ton of epic fantasy but once I started to dive really deep into Tolkien's legendarium (including spending the better part of a decade peripherally involved with the academic Tolkien studies community) I got a lot pickier about other series. However, reading Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell a few years ago was like falling in love with the genre all over again. It has an amazing sense of depth and history, far more than many worldbuilding-heavy epic fantasies in the traditional mold, but had enough fresh ideas (fresh to me, at least) that kept it engaging from start to finish, and the historical fiction aspects really spoke to the history geek in me. And of course the actual plot and especially the characters are great as well, which started to become more important to in my late teens as I gained a better understanding of how storytelling works.

RAO9Hpa.jpg
 

Lady Catherine de Bourgh

Teyvat Traveler
Member
Oct 27, 2017
832
Raymond E. Feist - the OG Riftwar trilogy in particular
- Magician, Silverthorn, A Darkness at Sethanon

David Gemmell
- Legend, Waylander, most of his stuff is really readable

Abercrombie
- Heroes & Red Country are my favorites of his, but you probably should read the original trilogy first

Moorcock
-I dug Hawkmoon & Count Brass series, had a very early D&D feel to them. Read them a looooong time ago, though.

I am slowly reading the first Malazan book, I like it, but it's going to take forever to read the whole series.

I remember really liking Weaveworld and Imajica, but I read them back in the early 90s so memories are vague.

Yes Feist! I started out with the books that are situated in Kelewan with Mara as main character. Hmm maybe a good time to revisit this series.
 

Wracu

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,396
Raymond E. Feist - the OG Riftwar trilogy in patricular
- Magician, Silverthorn, A Darkness at Sethanon

David Gemmell
- Legend, Waylander, most of his stuff is really readable

Abercrombie
- Heroes & Red Country are my favorites of his, but you probably should read the original trilogy first

I am slowly reading the first Malazan book, I like it, but it's going to take forever to read the whole series.
Malazan reading guide:

Book 1:. It's just weird and crazy. Retroactively gets better, but some things become absurd.

Book 2: Read
Book 3: Read (skip any chapter you see the word "Mhybe")
Book 4: Read Prologue and the really long first arc. Stop after.
Book 5: Read
Book 6: Skip. Maybe read last few chapters
Book 7: Read until a certain faction appears. Do not proceed.
Book 8: Skip if you value sanity
Book 9-10:. Skip unless you feel compelled

Alternately, just read 5. It is basically stand-alone and is probably the best overall book. This is the most schizophrenic book series I've ever read. Prepare to crawl very far up Erikson's ass if you try to read everything.

Unless you like hundreds of pages of bloat per book (in the parts I recommend skip) in the form of multiple indistinguishable small groups all saying the same thing about the same thing over and over and over and over.
 
Oct 29, 2017
1,284
I just started Patrick Rothfuss' The Name of the Wind not too long ago, and have been picking away at it since. The characters and world-building are strong without being long-winded, and the author's prose is top notch. Also quite a bit of humor when necessary.

510z6ue2%2BkL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
for some reason this gets a lot of hate here and at the old place, but i really enjoyed this. got a copy signed by the author and everything. the way he describes music, the world, Kvothe's stories and reputation, the sympathy mechanics, etc i thought were all really awesome.

Also, i've been making my way through the Discworld books, and they're dope so far. Pratchett's really good at worldbuilding, and is awesome at being satirical while having an great sense of imagery.
 

Lady Catherine de Bourgh

Teyvat Traveler
Member
Oct 27, 2017
832
I grew up reading a ton of epic fantasy but once I started to dive really deep into Tolkien's legendarium (including spending the better part of a decade peripherally involved with the academic Tolkien studies community) I got a lot pickier about other series. However, reading Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell a few years ago was like falling in love with the genre all over again. It has an amazing sense of depth and history, far more than many worldbuilding-heavy epic fantasies in the traditional mold, but had enough fresh ideas (fresh to me, at least) that kept it engaging from start to finish, and the historical fiction aspects really spoke to the history geek in me. And of course the actual plot and especially the characters are great as well, which started to become more important to in my late teens as I gained a better understanding of how storytelling works.

RAO9Hpa.jpg

Spending more time with Tolkien books and diving into the background is also on my wish list. So many books and so little time....sigh
 

Wracu

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,396
I'd say the consensus on Rothfuss is that the first book showed a lot of promise, but that the second ruins pretty much everything.
 

adj_noun

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
17,217
Hey, thanks to OP for making this thread and thanks to everyone making suggestions. My library hold list is swelling.
 

Eldy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,192
Maryland
Spending more time with Tolkien books and diving into the background is also on my wish list. So many books and so little time....sigh

The further you get into his posthumous works the less novelistic they become (culminating in The History of Middle-earth), but I found it to be a really rewarding experience. :) If and when you read more I'm sure all of us in TolkienERA would love to hear your thoughts!
 
Nov 2, 2017
697
Brandon Sanderson's books are rife with fantasies tall and wide which make up a space called The Cosmere. Each series of books are self contained for the most part, but there are tendrils that connect them all. The new hotness is the Stormlight Archive, which had its 3rd book released around November of last year. If you go that route it is generally recommended to start off with his standalone book, Warbreaker to get some context for certain pieces of what's happening in Stormlight. If you don't want to jump on that train just yet there are the Mistborn series which consist of two sets of 3 books. Both Stormlight and Mistborn share a medieval/Victorian aesthetic as far as how world operates(kings, dukes, lords, etc.).

He also as trilogy with a modern day setting called The Reckoners. In short the series is about people being imbued with super powers. Instead of fighting evil and upholding justice they become warlords, terrorists, and overall dicks to humanity. There is a group of normal humans called "The Reckoners" who specialize in taking those people out.

He also has a couple of more standalone books and short stories which fill out the Cosmere even more. The guy has put in work.
 

TheBeardedOne

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
22,189
Derry
Weaveworld is really good but it was the very beginning of Clive's transition from hardcore horror into more fantasy and it shows, it's more like running a fantasy idea through a horror filter.

Imajica on the other hand is one of the greatest novels I have ever read and would recommend it to anybody regardless of what they like as ling as they are not bigots, because Clive explores both gay characters and notions of gender.

I've met Clive Barker, and am a fan, but I had a hard time getting into one of his horror books because it was too detailed and slow and I believe dealt with occult history. I liked The Thief of Always a lot, as well as the first Abarat, but that's most of what I've read apart from part of The Books of Blood.

I like horror, but prefer Stephen King's type of writing and have always had trouble getting into fantasy. Is Imajica deep, detailed and very involved fantasy? Or is it accessible?

My plan was to read all of the A Song of Ice and Fire books before watching the show, but I only made it through the first book. As much as I wanted to read them all, the second book was just too slow and there were far too many details to remember. This person from this family, this historical moment, that person from that family, etc.
 

Tideas

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
553
so my antivirus just detected a virus in one of the above linked images.

So...can we remove those images?
 

Liljagare

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
616
My favourite of all time is Stephen Donaldsons White gold wielder series, he recently finished the series too. Excellent writing imho, lovely fantasy world:

maxresdefault.jpg
 

Xagarath

Member
Oct 28, 2017
3,140
North-East England
Another LeGuin/Earthsea fan here. As far as modern favourites go, these are a few overlooked classics:

51VEjz0dKSL._SX324_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Lyrical retelling of Koschei the Deathless with prose like liquid fire

12814333.jpg

Vivid, resonant world-weaving from a decidedly non-Western perspective

23444482.jpg

Gritty adult fantasy based on economics and empire-building instead of sex and violence


9781447294146.jpg

Astonishing adult fairy-tale inspired by eastern European folklore. Possibly the best straight-up fantasy novel of the last few years.
 

rakhir

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
104
I've just finished Sin of an Empire by Brian McClellan and it reminded me how much I love his work.
I really recommend all of his work in the Powder Mage world. It's a "magic and muskets" world, where a magic world discovered muskets and cannons, but in addition to more conventional mages that deal with elemental powers you have powder mages that deal with gunpowder and can consume it to enhance their speed, strength and can manipulate it to shoot people standing miles away.

Really great military stuff that deals with consequences of a revolution.
I've read the first trilogy, the short stories and now Sins, that are a first part of a second trilogy, and every one of those books were quality.
 

gforguava

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,705
Thanks for the rec! Never heard of this series, though it sounds right up my alley.

Does it share similarities with A Song of Ice and Fire?
Oh lords no, lol.

I wouldn't go to so far as to say it is the exact opposite of A Song of Ice and Fire but it is pretty close. Both conceptually and tonally they are just very different. The King's Landing stuff in the earlier parts have a certain similarity, the politicking and whatnot but even then there is a certain bluntness to ASOIAF that doesn't mesh with this particular genre. I think you can liken it to the periods they are drawing inspiration from, ASOIAF takes from the medieval period while Riverside takes from the Regency era, instead of feudal lords it is the landed gentry, the elites don't meet in throne rooms they host parties and balls. I think if there was a hypothetical book taking place in Highgarden from the perspective of House Tyrell that would be the closest ASOIAF would come to a "Fantasy of Manners".

And while the Riverside stories aren't necessarily 'lighthearted' there is a certain wry, humorous remove to them. For instance, the 8th part of Tremontaine is titled "A City Without Chocolate" which can be summed up as "A shortage of chocolate sets the city on edge."

I once went on a hunt for anything people have said about the "Fantasy of Manners" genre because it can be hard to truly get across what they are like to someone who hasn't read them and here was someone's thoughts that help give a rundown of what the stories like, more or less.

Characteristics of fantasy of manners:

Tone - Fantasy of Manners books strike me as "cool" in tone--there's a distance between the narration and the event, even if the narration isn't omniscient, or else there is a focus on the wit of the telling more than the emotion. There *is* emotion, but it's more likely to be conveyed by action than introspection. In a book with multiple POVs, when the protagonist is feeling most intensely, the scene is *more* likely to be told from the perspective of someone observing him than from the pov of the protagonist himself.

Cities and modernity - These fantasies engage with what I will loosely and pretentiously call "the condition of modernity." They tend to take place in cities or suburbs or in communities characteristic of the modern world, i.e. part of extensive communication and transportation networks. The actual technology level may be contemporary (War for the Oaks), early Industrial (Swordspoint), or even medieval (the Secret Country trilogy)--but there will be a kind of fluidity of location, status, and identity that are generally defined as "modern".

Fantasy - This may seem to go without saying, but in fact I think it's important to specify, especially in relation to the use of cities and modernity. Traditionally, fantasy's been defined as pastoral and backward-looking; the definition of the genre has been Tolkien, rather than (say) E. Nesbit. These writers weren't the first to set fantasy in the cities, but prior to the eighties or so, urban fantasy had tended to be comic (cf. Unknown fantasy and magazine slick fantasy, wherein the "archaic" traditions of fantasy were juxtaposed with contemporary settings for the humorous disjunction), horrific, or limited to YA/children's books; the general tradition of fantasy was for rural/epic imaginary worlds.

"Fantasy of manners" is not synonymous with contemporary or urban fantasy, but the two subgenres did grow around the same time and there is considerable overlap.

It's in the context of fantasy that the use of contemporary and/or urban settings is so striking -- or at least was in the 80s and early 90s; it's very common now. There is science fiction that's recognizably akin to fantasy of manners, but by the nature of the genre, the urban settings do not stand out so much.

Domesticity/scope - This isn't universal -- I think the "fantasy" part of "fantasy of manners" allows "epic fantasy of manners" not to be a contradiction in terms, something that wouldn't be possible with other variants of the novel of manners -- but frequently these novels are unusually small in scale, focused either on personal destinies rather than the destinies of cities and nations, or showing those large-scale destinies from the perspective of individuals negotiating the power structures rather than controlling them. The traditional novel of manners (cf. Austen, James, Wharton) focuses on some of the most powerless of the acknowledged members of "good society", and something of that approach remains even in books which aren't predicated on extreme gender inequality.

Note also that the "novel of manners" by definition does involve "acknowledged members of good society". Protagonists attempt to negotiate a balance between social dictates and their own desires; they seldom attempt to overthrow or entirely disregard social dictates.

The term "negotiation" keeps coming up, again and again, in these descriptions. Negotiation as opposed to struggle is key here; it's the usual approach to obstacles and the presumed way to manage power.

Though this won't get in the way of a good swordfight or a magical duel with fireworks every now and then.

In the Encyclopedia of Fantasy by David Keller he mentions an important aspect being the negotiability of social structure which he calls "a peculiarly US view of European institutions" and the importance of disguise, especially gender disguise, as a means of that negotiation. Also the necessity of finding one's place in the world by being true to one's own nature. And the importance of manners not only in fashion and behavior but also in language -- because control of words and of tone is power. "What these characters say is even more important than what they do."


Did not expect to see someone recommending Ellen Kushner here! I have to second this recommendation, it's some really good stuff. I have yet to read the serial though, I need to get on that.
Nice, it is incredibly rare to come across someone else who has read them.

23444482.jpg

Gritty adult fantasy based on economics and empire-building instead of sex and violence
Great, great book. If you ever wanted a great fantasy story told from a perspective you've never seen before pick this up. I don't think I've ever heard the term "fiat currency" in any work of fantasy fiction before but here it is one of the tools of the trade.
 
Last edited:

Paertan

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,393
Love fantasy. Almost the only thing I read. My favorite author I think is Robin Hobb. Recently listened to Rain Wilds Chronicles again. Read all books except the latest trilogy twice. Or listened to. Been a fan of audio books since I was a kid. Mom used to read to me and then she started getting me audio books. So now I listen to audio books all the time. When i am out walking, cleaning my apartment, cooking food, biking etc. I read a lot too. Prefer reading when I really want to focus on a book but a good narrator is as good as reading.

Another favorite author of mine is Raymond E Feist. Love the politics and universe he has built in Midkemia and Kelewan.

And of course Terry Pratchett.

Not a huge fan of Sanderson I must say. Only read the first Mistborn trilogy though. Cool world and magic. Boring characters. They feel flat. But I will try some more of his books.
 
Oct 30, 2017
8,967
I love The Traitor Son Cycle books. Currently on the third book. It's basically my GoT fix, although it is more fantastical.

cameronm-traitorsonseries2016.jpg



Another fantastic book is Kings of the Wyld. It's about a retired group of mercenaries who were once the best in the business and now have to reunite to save someone.

51RHTJxnhtL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
 

Lady Catherine de Bourgh

Teyvat Traveler
Member
Oct 27, 2017
832
Love fantasy. Almost the only thing I read. My favorite author I think is Robin Hobb. Recently listened to Rain Wilds Chronicles again. Read all books except the latest trilogy twice. Or listened to. Been a fan of audio books since I was a kid. Mom used to read to me and then she started getting me audio books. So now I listen to audio books all the time. When i am out walking, cleaning my apartment, cooking food, biking etc. I read a lot too. Prefer reading when I really want to focus on a book but a good narrator is as good as reading.

Another favorite author of mine is Raymond E Feist. Love the politics and universe he has built in Midkemia and Kelewan.

And of course Terry Pratchett.

Not a huge fan of Sanderson I must say. Only read the first Mistborn trilogy though. Cool world and magic. Boring characters. They feel flat. But I will try some more of his books.

Just yesterday I started the last book on Fitz and the fool. I have been reluctant to start because it's the last one and I am still not sure that I want to know how it ends. I have been reading about them for twenty years and they have a special place in my heart.
 

Rendering...

Member
Oct 30, 2017
19,089
You said you read some Book of the New Sun. If you haven't read Gene Wolfe's Urth of the New Sun, you're missing out on the peak of the series.
 

FaceHugger

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
13,949
USA
I really liked The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson. Published around the same time as The Lord of the Rings. It draws its sources from various mythologies throughout Europe and North Africa.

If you want a real treat check out the Audible book of it. https://www.audible.com/pd/Sci-Fi-Fantasy/The-Broken-Sword-Audiobook/B004XDWD5U. Read by Bronson Pinchot. He does an amazing job.

Thor has broken the sword Tyrfing so that it cannot strike at the roots of Yggdrasil, the tree that binds together earth, heaven, and hell. But now the mighty sword is needed again to save the elves in their war against the trolls, and only Skafloc, a human child kidnapped and raised by the elves, can hope to persuade Bölverk the ice-giant to make Tyrfing whole again. But Skafloc must also confront his shadow self, Valgard the changeling, who has taken his place in the world of men.