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Morrigan

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Oct 24, 2017
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One thing I meant to mention and didn't is that interpretations of Rean also differ based on the language the game was played in. XSEED apparently gave Rean more flair than he had in the original Japanese, and he's still fairly uninteresting in English. So people who played it in Japanese tend to have even less favorable opinions of him than English players, and it isn't always clear who played which version.
I did not know that. It's quite shocking that the original Rean would be even more boring than what we got in Xseed's version, haha.
 

Namyu

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Oct 25, 2017
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As somebody playing through Cold Steel right now, Rean is definitely waaay more boring than Estelle or Joshua. The whole main cast feels pretty one note but I'm still very early so we'll see how that changes.
 

PK Gaming

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Oct 25, 2017
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So I guess the intent with the Japanese version was to make him bland/blank slate in an attempt to have the player be able to project themselves onto him and kinda "fill out the blanks" in a way?

Not quite. Here's Xseed's take on it:

For example, let's look at our protagonist, Rean Schwarzer. He's a pretty cool guy, overall, and in his best scenes, he exhibits no shortage of personality and character development. But in a day-to-day school setting, he kind of struggled a bit with keeping the clear characterization that was on display in the main scenario. We really didn't want Rean to come off as some sort of faceless visual novel protagonist, so in writing his more mundane interactions, we localized with an eye toward having him be a bit more expressive – basically, keeping the best of the personality Falcom had given him more consistent throughout all of his scenes. The end result of this is something subtle enough that you won't notice it unless you're pretty familiar with the Japanese script, but the aggregate effect will be that Rean feels more multifaceted as a character, and hopefully will end up being someone you'll enjoy spending time with (and this is a Trails game – you'll be spending a LOT of time with Rean and friends).

It's pretty noticeable, I feel. There's a kick to his lines that don't make them boring to read through, and he always gives as good as he gets.

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One thing I meant to mention and didn't is that interpretations of Rean also differ based on the language the game was played in. XSEED apparently gave Rean more flair than he had in the original Japanese, and he's still fairly uninteresting in English. So people who played it in Japanese tend to have even less favorable opinions of him than English players, and it isn't always clear who played which version.

I dunno. Rean collectively had some of the best and most entertaining lines in the game. I don't think Rean's issue is that he's uninteresting, the main issue is that he occasionally indulges in some very frustrating cliches. But for the most part, he's a pretty decent character in CS1.
 

Namyu

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Oct 25, 2017
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So I'm guessing I want to hack my BP so I can see more events, right? Saw some people talking about that with the CS2 announcement with them letting you start on NG+
 

QFNS

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
935
So I'm guessing I want to hack my BP so I can see more events, right? Saw some people talking about that with the CS2 announcement with them letting you start on NG+

So you basically have two choices, either play regular NG and hack your BP using Cheat Engine or whatever to keep them full until you have done all the bonding events OR the IMO simpler way of simply getting a clear save and starting a new game on NG+ select the infinite bonding point bonus at the start and nothing else. The game is essentially the same both ways if you don't carry over level, gear, etc.

Personally, I'm too lazy to run cheat engine every time I start the game so starting on NG+ made it easy for me. Both ways should work (at least in CS1, I dunno how it would work in CS2, but I suspect it is similar.)
 

Namyu

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Oct 25, 2017
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So you basically have two choices, either play regular NG and hack your BP using Cheat Engine or whatever to keep them full until you have done all the bonding events OR the IMO simpler way of simply getting a clear save and starting a new game on NG+ select the infinite bonding point bonus at the start and nothing else. The game is essentially the same both ways if you don't carry over level, gear, etc.

Personally, I'm too lazy to run cheat engine every time I start the game so starting on NG+ made it easy for me. Both ways should work (at least in CS1, I dunno how it would work in CS2, but I suspect it is similar.)

I'm not far in at all so I wouldn't mind restarting. Anybody have a clear save handy? GameFAQs doesn't have any for PC and I'd google for it but would probably get spoiled lol
 

Chaosblade

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Oct 25, 2017
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Starting with a NG+ in CS2 seems like the better option anyway unless you plan to replay it, since there is at least one significant NG+ exclusive scene.
 

preta

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Oct 25, 2017
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Starting with a NG+ in CS2 seems like the better option anyway unless you plan to replay it, since there is at least one significant NG+ exclusive scene.
This is wise advice. It's more than just one scene - it's a lengthy sidequest that really has no business being locked behind NG+, as it's highly relevant to the story and CS3 expects you to have done it.
 

Namyu

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Oct 25, 2017
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So you need a clear save in CS2 as well or will the game give you the option of starting NG+? If it's the former would mean have to wait for somebody to beat the game and upload it
 

Psxphile

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah, you'll need one for CS2 as well. It'll also allow you to transfer clear save data from CS1 for some bonus items and relationship perks.
 

PK Gaming

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Oct 25, 2017
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I was lucky enough to win the CS2 key, so i'm really looking forward to Valentine's Day

Even luckier though:

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Hngh
 

QFNS

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
935
Yeah I will be looking for a clear file on PC very quickly from when I start. I am knee deep in Xenoblade 2 atm (Chapter 9, so close to done), then I have Trails 3rd on deck which I plan to play before I jump back into CS2. Though I suspect all the Zero and Ao spoilers come in CS3, I want to have played through 3rd first since I hear it is amazing regardless.
 

Namyu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yup, now that CS2 PC is announced it's all about the waiting game. I'm not touching CS3 until I play Zero and Azure
 

Thuddert

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Oct 25, 2017
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Doesn't CS1 and CS2 already thoroughly spoil the plot of Zero and Ao?

Basically news gets spread, but you only see the Erebonian side of things. So you'll see some results, but not the how and why necessarily.

It would lose some credibility in world building if you're not spoiled on a few things honestly.

Aside from that, there are some references that don't really spoil anything. It's basically pick your spoiler poison.
 

Dragon1893

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is wise advice. It's more than just one scene - it's a lengthy sidequest that really has no business being locked behind NG+, as it's highly relevant to the story and CS3 expects you to have done it.

Huh, didn't know this. I guess there's a reason to replay it on PC besides the visual upgrade afterall. Not sure when I'll have time to repaly a 100 hour game though. I was relieved when I beat it on PS3, my backlog really grew because of it, I don't have a lot of free time.
Is this sidequest missable?
 

preta

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Oct 25, 2017
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Huh, didn't know this. I guess there's a reason to replay it on PC besides the visual upgrade afterall. Not sure when I'll have time to repaly a 100 hour game though. I was relieved when I beat it on PS3, my backlog really grew because of it, I don't have a lot of free time.
Is this sidequest missable?
Yes. It involves collecting a number of items throughout the majority of the game, all of which can be missed.
 

Tonton

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ehh, it's just a few scenes, only one with major importance, I wouldn't replay the whole game because of it unless you really want the relevant achievement, I'd just watch this(this goes through all the game and deals with endgame material, so major spoilers inside) and be done with it (although I believe the PC version will have the final scene voiced)

If you're playing the game for the first time though, starting on NG+ and having a guide at least for that "quest" should be recommended imo
 

Namyu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Can anybody think of like, a comparison spoiler for how bad CS2 spoils Azure? Maybe using FC and SC as an example. I've seen so many wildly different opinions on how bad of a spoiler it is or not
 

preta

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Can anybody think of like, a comparison spoiler for how bad CS2 spoils Azure? Maybe using FC and SC as an example. I've seen so many wildly different opinions on how bad of a spoiler it is or not
It spoils the identity of one of the antagonists and shows... certain things happening in Crossbell from outside, although the nature of these things is not explained at all. There's also a little part near the end of the game that will be a lot more meaningful if you've played the Crossbell games.

However, Ao spoils CS2 arguably just as much, including revealing one of its biggest endgame twists (bigger than anything that CS2 spoils of Ao), so it really is not at all a problem to play CS2 first.
 

Namyu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeh I was going to play CS2 first anyway (pretty much locked into that now that I'm on CS1) I was just wondering, thank you!
 

NexasX

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I tend to take it more as since all the games (presumably the same with the new arc) take place around a similar timeframe to each other, you're getting pieces of a continent-wide plot involving all the major nations, so it's inevitable you'll hear about something from another arc.

That being said, I know that the developers have planned out the overarching story for several games down the line, but I'll be curious to see how the events of one game inform the story they write for future ones.
 

Kvik

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Oct 25, 2017
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Downunder.
That being said, I know that the developers have planned out the overarching story for several games down the line, but I'll be curious to see how the events of one game inform the story they write for future ones.

There is one door in particular in Trails 3rd which references one of the most major events in Cold Steel II.
 

Lord Arcadio

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Oct 27, 2017
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While playing CS1, I was really impressed how Cassius having to leave Liberl at the start of FC was still very important. The 3rd added a lot of detail to what he was doing and in CS1 you see the aftermath of that.
 

NexasX

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Oct 29, 2017
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Does the later CS games (only finished CS1 so far) and/or the Crossbell arc give an indication of when the Calvard arc will take place?

A bunch of threads from TitS are hinting that it would have to be somewhere around the same time as Cold Steel 1.
 

Tonton

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Does the later CS games (only finished CS1 so far) and/or the Crossbell arc give an indication of when the Calvard arc will take place?

A bunch of threads from TitS are hinting that it would have to be somewhere around the same time as Cold Steel 1.
I don't think there's much to say one way or the other but I think it'd be either starting concurrent with CS3/4 or after it (most likely the latter imo)
I doubt they'll be going back all the way there
 

NexasX

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I don't think there's much to say one way or the other but I think it'd be either starting concurrent with CS3/4 or after it (most likely the latter imo)
I doubt they'll be going back all the way there

Interesting. I'm basing my thoughts on the fact that there were
some Ouroboros enforcers in TitS being set up to feature there
.

I'll be interested to finally get to the rest of the CS games and see what you mean.
 

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I think the Calvard arc will start during or after the events of CS4. They haven't mentioned any major events going on at the same time as the troubles in Erebonia. (Or have they? I haven't played CS3)
 

Tonton

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Honestly I don't even know if I should trust what i expected anymore after the Sen III ending lmao

I think we really need at least to see what Sen IV is about to have a better idea on how things go from here on anything