Cheers, each playthrough being so short I guess I'll give it a try when get a chance.
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Resident Evil Community |OT| Got some rare things on sale, stranger!
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Cheers, each playthrough being so short I guess I'll give it a try when get a chance.
hey all, some classic resident evil goodies came in the mail this weekend:
1st is PC Resident Evil so i can finally play it uncut =)
2nd is an uncommon black label stand alone ps1 directors cut (no double disc or red advertisement bubble of demo disc)
I used to collect like this, what always bothered me was my first print copy of RE1 on PS1 was loaned to a friend who "lost it" as he put it. This is like 20 years ago. He bought me a replacement but it was the Platinum Hits version as that's what shops had at the time.
It doesn't particularly matter. As a prequel 0 is pretty bad actually and doesn't make much sense.
I'd recommend playing REmake first because it's just so much better but they can be played in any order really. 0 overall is more of a general Resident Evil lore and reference dump than heavily tied to REmake in particular.
Decided to run through the Revelations games, as they're titles I never touched, and I have a rambling regarding 2 after also playing 1.
What the fuck was with the plot?
What the fuck was with the plot?
Like, I enjoyed the first Revelations with the whole FBC starting a terrorist attack to become a leading arms force for bioterror, and Morgan Landsdale's motives seemed clear, but what was with Alex Wesker's? I don't even know what happened to Claire, Moira, or Natalia who were all infected but never given a cure, but it's perhaps fair to assume Natalia succumbed to Alex's goals right at the end. I assumed Alex wanted eternal life, but I'm still confused to the production of the viruses. The t-Abyss virus makes sense. The t-Phobos? What's the goal of making a mind virus, and why was Alex looking for a good candidate here? I don't see how her virus and experiments go right with her goal. How did she survive after shooting herself in the head? How did anyone find Claire at sea but go after the island six months after this? How long was Evgeny dead for before Moira found Barry, seeing as when Barry found him, his body was already decaying? Why was there an emphasis on hung child dolls in a few places; what's the symbolism, here? I didn't get this bit at all. Where did Alex's hired goon squad go? They abduct Claire at the start and never show up again. Some of this can be a fault of the ambition of the game telling two different threads at two different times, but some of these are core issues with the central plot of the game.
If I missed something crucial here from some other entry, feel free to spoil me on that. Looking at this game, I feel the goals and motives of the antagonist really aren't explained well. Outside of the shock of her being a Wesker, everything else seems weaksauce as hell. Revelations 1 had a far better plot, and that's even considering the oddity of Raymond and Jessica being Tricell agents, but Jessica working for Tricell and Landsdale, while Raymond was working against Landsdale. I presume Raymond acted so Tricell could get the t-Abyss virus from Landsdale (I don't recall it being used in the Terragrigia attack), hence Jessica being added to the BSAA as a backup plan or something. I can't even tell you what the point of the virus was in Revelations 2. Was the point of the t-Phobos virus supposed to involve a transfer of Alex's consciousness, or was that some nonsense in addition to t-Phobos?
If I missed something crucial here from some other entry, feel free to spoil me on that. Looking at this game, I feel the goals and motives of the antagonist really aren't explained well. Outside of the shock of her being a Wesker, everything else seems weaksauce as hell. Revelations 1 had a far better plot, and that's even considering the oddity of Raymond and Jessica being Tricell agents, but Jessica working for Tricell and Landsdale, while Raymond was working against Landsdale. I presume Raymond acted so Tricell could get the t-Abyss virus from Landsdale (I don't recall it being used in the Terragrigia attack), hence Jessica being added to the BSAA as a backup plan or something. I can't even tell you what the point of the virus was in Revelations 2. Was the point of the t-Phobos virus supposed to involve a transfer of Alex's consciousness, or was that some nonsense in addition to t-Phobos?
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Your summary is a big reason why I don't like the Rev games as much as others. The story in them is all over the place. I'd say even more so than 6 which outside of Carla keeps things a bit more simple imo
aw man, that sucks. platinum hits is the worst =P i still need to replace a long box copy that i had.
I think Rev 1's story isn't too all over the place. I think it's easy to follow.
- FBC gives Veltro B.O.W.s for an attack on Terragrigia.
- This establishes FBC as a leading bioterrorist task force; Veltro is then disposed of
- Tricell wants the t-Abyss virus that was made on the ships, so they need a reason to inspect the ships for it
- Raymond is used to start this inspection; Landsdale then tries to cover up his scheme with the FBC and Veltro, so he bombs the Veltro base and tries to have Jessica cover his tracks with the ships
- The remnants of Veltro are disposed of, and evidence is gathered that shows Landsdale funded the terror attack
- Raymond gives the t-Abyss virus to Jessica, who gives it to Tricell
I can't really say the same for Rev 2
- Alex Wesker funds experiments on an island, using the precarity of the population as cattle
- Alex works on the t-Phobos virus which involves the minds of people
- Alex wishes to "carry on" her life either in relationship to this virus, or a separate consciousness copying plan, the game doesn't explain if these are the same or two different plans
- Neil abducts Natalia and members of Terra Save to be used as current experiments for her goal of carrying on, with Neil hoping to get a copy of the Uroboros virus to use as a reason to revive the FBC
- Natalia is seen as the perfect host because she's immune to fear, even if her bracelet is red; implying she's mutated due to fear as that's what makes it red, or perhaps the mutation in her is carrying Alex's consciousness, either way she's a "B.O.W." like Eveline in RE7 by being able to see infected, like herself
- Claire and Moira are infected with the t-Phobos virus; Moira's wristband turns red but she shows no signs of infection, unless she too is infected with Alex's "will," but no cure is ever introduced
- Claire eventually escapes the island, Moira survives with Evgeny for six months, Natalia escapes the containment chamber (I just realized I don't understand how she did this. Isn't she sent underground where the gas is, which gets turned off after she escapes and is out of the facility?), and Barry comes to the island, looking for Moira as well as exploring the island with Natalia
- Alex is killed, and her project on infecting Natalia's consciousness seems to have succeeded, as she grows an interest in the works of Kafka
In the case of Rev 1, not going into what Jill, Chris, and company do doesn't really break the flow of the narrative; you just play their parts as those bits unfold. But in the case of Rev 2, even if you consider what the playable characters do there, the central arc of the plot is still too muddled. The central goal of the virus can only be assumed to be part of Alex's goal of eternal life. Does it allow decaying cells to regenerate and mutate like the Uroboros experiments on the island? Did Alex survive killing herself because of t-Phobos for this reason? Was Alex expecting her ego, her "I-ness" to just move between bodies? She seemed to want to continue on as Alex in other bodies, but some of the pages you can read near the end of the game make it clear she thinks there's only one of her, and that she can't be copied without being someone else, though this is much more to do with the concept of the ego than a virus with a fixed self.
As a thought experiment, if you have a copy of yourself, is that also "you" as much as you are you? No, not really. Maybe her goal with the virus was that those with a will like hers, to not be afraid of fear and thus death -- the ultimate fear -- would also carry on her will and motives, but that raises questions on the whole consciousness copying thing. Was she trying to replace Natalia's memories with hers, so in a sense she's pursuing the same goals Alex wanted? Good candidates for the t-Phobos virus who don't get mutated by it might be what Alex wanted, as they would pass her "test." This would presumably leave us with Natalia and Moira, though Moira was not experimented on outside of being injected with t-Phobos, even if by the end of the game she's marked as mutated.
The game doesn't explain any of this well at all, even if it implies Barry is the one who would learn the truth right at the end. He, and thus us as players, don't learn shit. A great deal of what I said is speculation, because the game doesn't make any of this clear. The only question about Rev 1 to me is Landsdale: he bought the trio of cruise liners and essentially continued what Umbrella was doing. Shouldn't he be a Tricell agent, too? They even gave him funding for the project, unless Tricell's plan was to eliminate the BSAA, which meant the FBC had to go under. The BSAA go after Spencer directly after Revelations 1, too.
There's many, many, many more questions about Revelations 2 because a lot of it comes down to poor presentation and explanation. I found greater coherency in the plot of RE7 and how it linked to the larger series, and that's considering the huge hooks there don't come in until the last hour or so.
- This establishes FBC as a leading bioterrorist task force; Veltro is then disposed of
- Tricell wants the t-Abyss virus that was made on the ships, so they need a reason to inspect the ships for it
- Raymond is used to start this inspection; Landsdale then tries to cover up his scheme with the FBC and Veltro, so he bombs the Veltro base and tries to have Jessica cover his tracks with the ships
- The remnants of Veltro are disposed of, and evidence is gathered that shows Landsdale funded the terror attack
- Raymond gives the t-Abyss virus to Jessica, who gives it to Tricell
I can't really say the same for Rev 2
- Alex Wesker funds experiments on an island, using the precarity of the population as cattle
- Alex works on the t-Phobos virus which involves the minds of people
- Alex wishes to "carry on" her life either in relationship to this virus, or a separate consciousness copying plan, the game doesn't explain if these are the same or two different plans
- Neil abducts Natalia and members of Terra Save to be used as current experiments for her goal of carrying on, with Neil hoping to get a copy of the Uroboros virus to use as a reason to revive the FBC
- Natalia is seen as the perfect host because she's immune to fear, even if her bracelet is red; implying she's mutated due to fear as that's what makes it red, or perhaps the mutation in her is carrying Alex's consciousness, either way she's a "B.O.W." like Eveline in RE7 by being able to see infected, like herself
- Claire and Moira are infected with the t-Phobos virus; Moira's wristband turns red but she shows no signs of infection, unless she too is infected with Alex's "will," but no cure is ever introduced
- Claire eventually escapes the island, Moira survives with Evgeny for six months, Natalia escapes the containment chamber (I just realized I don't understand how she did this. Isn't she sent underground where the gas is, which gets turned off after she escapes and is out of the facility?), and Barry comes to the island, looking for Moira as well as exploring the island with Natalia
- Alex is killed, and her project on infecting Natalia's consciousness seems to have succeeded, as she grows an interest in the works of Kafka
In the case of Rev 1, not going into what Jill, Chris, and company do doesn't really break the flow of the narrative; you just play their parts as those bits unfold. But in the case of Rev 2, even if you consider what the playable characters do there, the central arc of the plot is still too muddled. The central goal of the virus can only be assumed to be part of Alex's goal of eternal life. Does it allow decaying cells to regenerate and mutate like the Uroboros experiments on the island? Did Alex survive killing herself because of t-Phobos for this reason? Was Alex expecting her ego, her "I-ness" to just move between bodies? She seemed to want to continue on as Alex in other bodies, but some of the pages you can read near the end of the game make it clear she thinks there's only one of her, and that she can't be copied without being someone else, though this is much more to do with the concept of the ego than a virus with a fixed self.
As a thought experiment, if you have a copy of yourself, is that also "you" as much as you are you? No, not really. Maybe her goal with the virus was that those with a will like hers, to not be afraid of fear and thus death -- the ultimate fear -- would also carry on her will and motives, but that raises questions on the whole consciousness copying thing. Was she trying to replace Natalia's memories with hers, so in a sense she's pursuing the same goals Alex wanted? Good candidates for the t-Phobos virus who don't get mutated by it might be what Alex wanted, as they would pass her "test." This would presumably leave us with Natalia and Moira, though Moira was not experimented on outside of being injected with t-Phobos, even if by the end of the game she's marked as mutated.
The game doesn't explain any of this well at all, even if it implies Barry is the one who would learn the truth right at the end. He, and thus us as players, don't learn shit. A great deal of what I said is speculation, because the game doesn't make any of this clear. The only question about Rev 1 to me is Landsdale: he bought the trio of cruise liners and essentially continued what Umbrella was doing. Shouldn't he be a Tricell agent, too? They even gave him funding for the project, unless Tricell's plan was to eliminate the BSAA, which meant the FBC had to go under. The BSAA go after Spencer directly after Revelations 1, too.
There's many, many, many more questions about Revelations 2 because a lot of it comes down to poor presentation and explanation. I found greater coherency in the plot of RE7 and how it linked to the larger series, and that's considering the huge hooks there don't come in until the last hour or so.
Haven't played Rev2 yet, but I thought the original was put together nicely. Granted, it wasn't great, but for the RE universe, it was coherent and easy to follow. I enjoyed the flashback segments. Thought it was a nice way to break up the gameplay and still bring light to the entire story as it was.
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Yeah I didn't mean to include Rev 1 (At least not in the hard to understand). Rev 1 was more for me the story just being generally uninteresting until the later moments.
To me the Rev 1 story doesn't really pick up until Chris and Jill are finally on the same ship together. Everything before that just kind of drags
As Napalm said, just go with REmake first. 0 doesn't provide any critical information you don't already know from playing the other games (well, except for the questionable villain it introduces). And I personally would advise playing it after being introduced to Rebecca in the first game, anyway.
Ok so that post has been deleted from the biohaze forums.
On one hand, I always just play Claire A / Leon B anyway so on a personal level I wouldn't miss a second A/B scenario. Just out of principle though it kind of does bother me if features from the original are dropped. Ideally, a remake should have everything the original had...and more.
I'm curious about what people thought about Wesker pre-re5 considering most of the cool things about him came from that game. He seemed really bland before becoming a matrix reloaded character.
Wesker was so cool in code veronica. i screamed when he appeared. i thought he was dead. i was hooked on his story. he had a good chokehold.
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His RE4 appearance at least seemed to get him fans just for being a generic evil mastermind - I remember there being a lot of edgy teenagers writing self-insert fanfiction about him ruling the world with them.
It's what he deserved.
hey all, some classic resident evil goodies came in the mail this weekend:
1st is PC Resident Evil so i can finally play it uncut =)
2nd is an uncommon black label stand alone ps1 directors cut (no double disc or red advertisement bubble of demo disc)
Man I have RE1 on a retail disc for pc, and I can't get it to run right even with all the cracks and simulated 3dfx plug ins.
Same with the PC Resident Evil.
This was written 5 years ago, why won't this happen? http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/16/capcom-hope-to-update-older-resident-evils-on-pc-eventually/
I thought he was terribly edgy in Code Veronica. Slapping Claire around for no reason and acting like a saturday morning cartoon villain.
Lol, this is hilarious.
That's interesting. What does this mean for the scenarios themselves? As far as I understand, its canon that scenes from all four scenarios happen. Will they go with Claire A, Leon B? Or an amalgamation of A/B?
Wait, it is? Thought it was Claire A, Leon B and the other two were non-canon.
This is always somehow a conflicted area amongst fans, and it's hard to say because even official materials for that matter (the Resident Evil Archives), uses the REmake itself as a mixture of the Jill's and Chris's paths, using different things from both scenarios in order to build the main canon.
In the same book, it mentions the A (for Claire) + B (for Leon) as the canon version, it's much more straightforward than Remake for an example.
In the same book, it mentions the A (for Claire) + B (for Leon) as the canon version, it's much more straightforward than Remake for an example.
I liked him in REmake and 0 when you hardly knew anything about him, can't stand the nonsense he turned into
- "I just wanna go home"
- "I mean, what in the moist barrels of fuck.."
- "I swear to God I'm going to survive the fuck out of this."
- "Who the fuck is quoting poetry?"
- "Fucking technology!"
- "Ugh, Does Barry tell everyone that story?" (Localization) // "I wouldn't want to eat that sandwich.." (Original)
- "That bitch stuck a needle in me?"
- "How many frickin' filet mignons do you have to make to produce this kind of blood?"
- "Go jump on a dildo, boss!"
- "Come out from behind that glass so I can choke a god."
- "Ask me my fucking name for once, you dinosaur."
- "You did all this for me?"
- "Fuck it right up the ass!"
- "Fuck yeah!"
- "And you came back with a chopper and a sniper rifle, and that's fucking awesome so shut up."
- "Are you sure you don't need me, Barry? I mean... Dad."
- "It's OK. I gave you plenty of reasons to worry."
So, for characters who have had multiple VAs, who are your favorites?
Ada Wong - Sally Cahill
Jill Valentine - Patricia Ja Lee
Barry Burton - Michael McConnohie
Leon Kennedy - Paul Mercier
Chris Redfield - Roger Craig Smith
Albert Wesker - D. C. Douglas
Rebecca Chambers - Erin Cahill
Claire Redifield - Alyson Court
Ada Wong - Sally Cahill
Jill Valentine - Patricia Ja Lee
Barry Burton - Michael McConnohie
Leon Kennedy - Paul Mercier
Chris Redfield - Roger Craig Smith
Albert Wesker - D. C. Douglas
Rebecca Chambers - Erin Cahill
Claire Redifield - Alyson Court
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Ada, Chris, Wesker and Claire VAs are I think without question.
Jill it's between Patricia Ja Lee or Catherine Disher.
Hard to say for Leon. Both his RE4 and 6 era VAs did it well.
Jill it's between Patricia Ja Lee or Catherine Disher.
Hard to say for Leon. Both his RE4 and 6 era VAs did it well.
Roger Craig Smith will always be Chris Redfield for me, same with D.C. Douglas as Wesker. I thought Leon sounded cooler with Paul Mercier as his voice actor.
Chris - Roger Craig Smith(no contest)
Jill - Patricia Ja Lee(no contest)
Leon - Paul Mercier
Wesker - DC Douglas (no contest)
Jill - Patricia Ja Lee(no contest)
Leon - Paul Mercier
Wesker - DC Douglas (no contest)
Wut, she becomes one of the best characters in the series.
Yep, this is true for me too, Roger is so damn good as Chris.
If only he had returned for at least the Vendetta movie.
Really hope we hear him again.
Ada Wong - Courtenay Taylor
Jill Valentine - Patricia Ja Lee
Barry Burton - Michael McConnohie
Leon Kennedy - Matt Mercer
Chris Redfield - Roger Craig Smith
Albert Wesker - D. C. Douglas
Oh and Moira is great. She's one of the most developed characters in the entire franchise actualy.
Jill Valentine - Patricia Ja Lee
Barry Burton - Michael McConnohie
Leon Kennedy - Matt Mercer
Chris Redfield - Roger Craig Smith
Albert Wesker - D. C. Douglas
Oh and Moira is great. She's one of the most developed characters in the entire franchise actualy.
Today is 28 Jan so I can guess how the week will go
28 Jan :
29 Jan :
31 Jan :
1 Feb :
??? Early Feb :
28 Jan :
- Tommorow is RE2 Japanese anniversary HYPE HYPE HYPE ,
- (Gamers in far west ) I will wait until midnight , they may announce something early in Japan
- Nothing happens
- Thats normal , They will reveal it at the actual day HYPE HYPE HYPE
29 Jan :
- Today is the day HYPE HYPE HYPE
- Discussions about time zone differences where everyone brings the calculator
- Searching for the exact time Capcom Social media posts in the past for similar events
- Countdown every hour , until it is 30 Jan in Japan
- Nothing Happens
- No it won't end like that , I am sure they have western gamers in mind so they will make the announcement late in western time
- Nothing Happens
- Not Yet snake , we have the Q3 fiscal Report at 31 Jan , I am sure they will reveal info there HYPE HYPE HYPE
31 Jan :
- Capcom releases Q3 fiscal Report
- No Mention of Remake 2
- This isn't the end guys , There is still their presentation PDF that will release tommorow HYPE HYPE HYPE
1 Feb :
- Capcom releases Q3 Fiscal Report Presentation PDF
- No Mention of Remake 2
- Not Yet Snake , There is still the Q&A which will be someday this week HYPE HYPE HYPE
??? Early Feb :
- Capcom hold the Q&A Conference
- No Mention of Remake 2
- Guys I am sure we will get something at the Big fiscal report at March HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE
I hope they do. I would like to see some sort of expansion to the police station or something.
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Monater Hunter World has had the highest shipped total of any capcom title.
Pretty sure the last record holder was RE6 at 4.5 Million.
RIP Division 1. Gonna become a Monster Hunter Division now.
Pretty sure the last record holder was RE6 at 4.5 Million.
RIP Division 1. Gonna become a Monster Hunter Division now.
Monster Hunter World plays like archaic ass just like the previous entries. A bunch of jank, a lack of basic QoL features, un-engaging combat, etc. The monster designs are still really cool and I dig the concept, but the execution, even in this bigger budget release, feels like some amateur hour niche Japan-only game.
Makes me sad that Capcom is sitting on so many quality IPs and they not only put so much money and time into making this shit, but that people eat it up. Franchises like Strider, Viewtiful Joe, and Okami died for this?
I say that here since I'd rather get some raised eyebrows here than an actual beating over in the MHW threads.
Makes me sad that Capcom is sitting on so many quality IPs and they not only put so much money and time into making this shit, but that people eat it up. Franchises like Strider, Viewtiful Joe, and Okami died for this?
I say that here since I'd rather get some raised eyebrows here than an actual beating over in the MHW threads.
Gonna go ahead and say, you don't seem to get Monster Hunter.
I'd like to know what I'm missing. Because, like I said, I like the idea behind it. The controls, some of the missions, the stuff you do inbetween missions, it feels extremely dated. As if the franchise never evolved much past the PSP (I don't actually know if that's the case).
I wouldn't say you're missing anything. It's not for everybody. But I do hear mostly the same complaints from folks not too familiar with the series.
But I don't wanna take the thread too off-topic.
Me and my Resident Evil butt buddy convinced one of our friends to buy Resident Evil 6 so we can go through it in coop, taking turns.
He started off using mostly guns but is slowly learning that Melee>>>Shooting. So proud of him! ;_;
It's success has given us a new Jawmuncher thread so I guess that's something.
He started off using mostly guns but is slowly learning that Melee>>>Shooting. So proud of him! ;_;
It's success has given us a new Jawmuncher thread so I guess that's something.
I would go with the same list lol
They are doing fine overall but Infinite... it left a bad impression for me at least