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Which game do you find holds the most replayability?

  • Demon's Souls

    Votes: 36 11.6%
  • Dark Souls

    Votes: 105 33.8%
  • Dark Souls II

    Votes: 44 14.1%
  • Dark Souls III

    Votes: 93 29.9%
  • Bloodborne

    Votes: 95 30.5%
  • Sekiro

    Votes: 17 5.5%

  • Total voters
    311

ArmsofSleep

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,833
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So I'm onto 4-2 right now.

The noobstick is doing great for me. I'm 1 or 2-shotting pretty much every enemy and I haven't had to grind at all. I got through the whole level unscathed (switching to one-handing the cleaver with my shield during scarier segments) but that damn blood swamp was terrifying (I guess I was expecting more poison type stuff). Also going around the whole level only to realize you've gone in a giant loop was really great.

Anyway the Maneater bitches wrecked me. I don't have any ranged attacks so they just fly away from me the entire time until they can gang up on me at the exact same time. I do great damage to them, but I can't really stagger them. I don't know if I should two-hand and just clutch roll or try to block attacks (which does work alright). But I've been trying to rush the first one and kill it early, to no avail because it WONT STOP FLYING.

Hopefully I can kill it tonight and move onto 5-1 this weekend.
 

MrLuchador

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've always avoided this community as these games are best experienced blind. However, it's nice to see a few of you returning to Demon's Souls before the servers go off. It'd be cool to get a bunch of you together to see if we can 'meet' online at some point.
 

Jombie

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Oct 27, 2017
10,392
I've been wanting to play Demon's Souls again. I was two trophies away from the platinum and ended up selling my PS3; don't guess it's ever coming to the PS store..

For all of the love the world in DS1 gets, I always felt more immersed in Boletaria. Bosses aren't as memorable, but they weren't the focus like they would become in Dark Souls.
 

Strafer

The Flagpole is Wider
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Oct 25, 2017
29,349
Sweden
Wow, I can't beat Father Gasgoine on NG+.

I've died to him 8 times now. His second phase is an absolute nightmare. he's far too aggressive.
 

Vadara

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,565
DS3 is legitimately so fucking bad I got this game as a free gift from a friend and I want to apologize to them.

How do you go from the 10/10 Dark Souls to this unbalanced piece of shit

Crossing Bloodborne off my to-play list if it's also a speedy dodge-rolling mess like this game
 
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Morrigan

Spear of the Metal Church
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Oct 24, 2017
34,294
DS3 is legitimately so fucking bad I got this game as a free gift from a friend and I want to apologize to them.

How do you go from the 10/10 Dark Souls to this unbalanced piece of shit

Crossing Bloodborne off my to-play list if it's also a speedy dodge-rolling mess like this game
No hyperbole there, no sir!
 

Vadara

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,565
No hyperbole there, no sir!
There is literally nothing in DS1 as hard as the bullshit enemies in the High Wall of Lothric. My Claymore (that I had to kill myself seven times to get) still takes two hits to kill basic enemies, and then we have those enemies that explore into reject Bloodborne monsters that do half your health like it's a boss battle but it isn't actually a boss battle
 

Vadara

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Oct 25, 2017
3,565
...Oh my

I'm sorry but, are you seriously just struggling at the beginning of the game, and saying literally and... I just can't.
There isn't, I'm sorry. I remember DS1 being WAAAAY more forgiving at the beginning and in fact that game overall is probably too easy in the first parts. But DS3 is just stupid hard and I hate the emphasis on speed and dodge-rolling
 

Ferrs

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Oct 26, 2017
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IMO DS1 is harder than DS3. you can roll through everything in DS3. Also DS1 enemies tend to turtle more.
 

Jombie

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Oct 27, 2017
10,392
The only thing I have problem with in 3 is that you're too easily stunned BY EVERYTHING. That and the parry timings are so wonky that there's no point in doing it most of the time. You'll acclimate to the speed of the enemies, don't over-dodge.
 

Vadara

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Oct 25, 2017
3,565
IMO DS1 is harder than DS3. you can roll through everything in DS3. Also DS1 enemies tend to turtle more.

DS1 is easier because you can get the Zwei and just murder everything by attacking through their poise and you do so much damage you kill them in at most three hits (where the first or second will stun them). It's why I prefer Ultra Greatswords the most of all the weapons. Upgrade them and get armor with poise and you can pretty much kill everything by mashing R1 three times

Meanwhile in DS3 every enemy attacks 30 times faster and all your weapons early on do absolutely nothing. And there's no poise, even with the armor that would have had it had they been in DS1
 

Cat Party

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Oct 25, 2017
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There is literally nothing in DS1 as hard as the bullshit enemies in the High Wall of Lothric. My Claymore (that I had to kill myself seven times to get) still takes two hits to kill basic enemies, and then we have those enemies that explore into reject Bloodborne monsters that do half your health like it's a boss battle but it isn't actually a boss battle
You are literally the only person I've ever encountered who thinks this.
 

Ferrs

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
18,829
DS1 is easier because you can get the Zwei and just murder everything by attacking through their poise and you do so much damage you kill them in at most three hits (where the first or second will stun them). It's why I prefer Ultra Greatswords the most of all the weapons. Upgrade them and get armor with poise and you can pretty much kill everything by mashing R1 three times

Meanwhile in DS3 every enemy attacks 30 times faster and all your weapons early on do absolutely nothing. And there's no poise, even with the armor that would have had it had they been in DS1

the enemies in DS3 staggers like motherfuckers with just the air produced by a straight sword wiff :/

The poise stuff is true, but it pays of with easier stamina management (for blocks) or straight op rolls if you're shieldless.
 

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For what it's worth, I played the first area or two of DSIII after full DSII and DS1 runs and honestly it's quite easy. Get the class that focuses on dual wielding, the Sellsword Blades (?) are wonderful.
 

Morrigan

Spear of the Metal Church
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Oct 24, 2017
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And there's no poise, even with the armor that would have had it had they been in DS1
Ah, I think I understand now.

Yep, sorry, poise is now gone, you can't facetank your way to victory anymore. Which is a great thing, in my mind. Fuck poise, it can stay dead.
 

Chopchop

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,171
Wow, I can't beat Father Gasgoine on NG+.

I've died to him 8 times now. His second phase is an absolute nightmare. he's far too aggressive.
Father G really is one of the harder bosses in the game.
His second form's chain attacks encourage parrying (he's just swiping the air, so firing a shot from range is safe) and/or dodging in a way that makes him overshoot.

DS1 is easier because you can get the Zwei and just murder everything by attacking through their poise and you do so much damage you kill them in at most three hits (where the first or second will stun them). It's why I prefer Ultra Greatswords the most of all the weapons. Upgrade them and get armor with poise and you can pretty much kill everything by mashing R1 three times

Meanwhile in DS3 every enemy attacks 30 times faster and all your weapons early on do absolutely nothing. And there's no poise, even with the armor that would have had it had they been in DS1
It sounds like you got overly used to a single weapon that has incredible stun, and now you're struggling and claiming DS3 is imbalanced because it doesn't give it to you right away like DS1 does.

The Zwei is an incredible weapon, but even in DS1, most combat encounters don't go "land the first hit and win" if you don't use something super heavy like the Zwei. If DS1 didn't give you the Zwei right away, you'd have to work through your first few areas weapons that don't stun that much until you find a weapon that suits your style, which is what DS3 is making you do.
 

Strafer

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Oct 25, 2017
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Father G really is one of the harder bosses in the game.
His second form's chain attacks encourage parrying (he's just swiping the air, so firing a shot from range is safe) and/or dodging in a way that makes him overshoot.

I'm also trying to do the Music Box trick that stuns him for a few seconds but he always backs up into a wall or corner and can't seem to get the parry in time.
 

EasyMode

Member
Oct 25, 2017
229
Toronto, Canada
High wall of Lothric enemies:

Hollow w/ sword or knife - block and punish
Hollow w/ spear and shield - guard break kick or sidestep backstab
Hollow w/ great axe or halberd - roll behind and backstab
Pus of man - kill before transformation or stagger with firebombs, if you're out of bombs or have to dodge, roll towards and behind
Lothric knight w/ sword - parry second hit
Lothric knight w/ spear and greatshield (very annoying) - lunge attack can be sidestepped and backstabbed (but be wary of shield bash). When they walk sideways blocking, guard break w/ kick and riposte

There's an NPC summon that can help in the area with lots of Lothric knights.

Poise is different in DS3. Each attack has some, or no, hyperarmor and your poise will contribute to that hyperarmor. Generally slower, heavier weapons and attacks have the most hyperarmor. So you cant make a fast attacking, katana-wielding tank like in DS1. I believe great hammers have the most hyperarmor in DS3, so something like a 2 handed great club is great for tanking.

Some weapons like the mace sold by Greirat have a handy weapon art called Perseverance, which lets you briefly tank through anything. A raw infused mace is very good early on.
 

Chopchop

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Oct 25, 2017
14,171
High wall of Lothric enemies:

Hollow w/ sword or knife - block and punish
Hollow w/ spear and shield - guard break kick or sidestep backstab
Hollow w/ great axe or halberd - roll behind and backstab
Pus of man - kill before transformation or stagger with firebombs, if you're out of bombs or have to dodge, roll towards and behind
Lothric knight w/ sword - parry second hit
Lothric knight w/ spear and greatshield (very annoying) - lunge attack can be sidestepped and backstabbed (but be wary of shield bash). When they walk sideways blocking, guard break w/ kick and riposte

There's an NPC summon that can help in the area with lots of Lothric knights.

Poise is different in DS3. Each attack has some, or no, hyperarmor and your poise will contribute to that hyperarmor. Generally slower, heavier weapons and attacks have the most hyperarmor. So you cant make a fast attacking, katana-wielding tank like in DS1. I believe great hammers have the most hyperarmor in DS3, so something like a 2 handed great club is great for tanking.

Some weapons like the mace sold by Greirat have a handy weapon art called Perseverance, which lets you briefly tank through anything. A raw infused mace is very good early on.
Good points.

The bit about raw infusion is especially good. Raw infusion turns anything into a great starting weapon. Find a weapon that you like, infuse it with Raw, then change it up later when Raw starts to become obsolete.

Alternately, stick with Raw and put stat points that would otherwise go into weapon scaling into tankier stats instead.
 

Morrigan

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Oct 24, 2017
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If DS1 didn't give you the Zwei right away, you'd have to work through your first few areas weapons that don't stun that much until you find a weapon that suits your style, which is what DS3 is making you do.
And even in DS1, most players won't find the zweihander right away since it's in a difficult area that most first-time players will not go very far into. I'm betting most first-time players who did use the zwei were told about it by someone else or used a guide... I mean I'm sure a few players stumbled upon it naturally, but I can't imagine it's most of them.
 

Vadara

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ah, I think I understand now.

Yep, sorry, poise is now gone, you can't facetank your way to victory anymore. Which is a great thing, in my mind. Fuck poise, it can stay dead.
Please explain to me how heavy armor and heavy weapons are supposed to be viable without Poise? Without the ability to:

-tank hits to make up for your slow attacks
-hit enemies hard enough to stun them

these weapons and armor are now completely and utterly worthless.
 

Morrigan

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Oct 24, 2017
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Heavy weapons still have staggering power. Moreover, almost every enemy in the High Wall are brain-dead easy to backstab.

Without poise you just need to... time your attacks. Like you had to do in Demon's Souls. The heavier/slower weapons still have some hyperarmour frames so it's not that bad. You just can't fully rely on trading hits mindlessly anymore. It was ridiculous how broken that was in Dark Souls, you had people like DSP facetanking everything.
 

Ferrs

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Oct 26, 2017
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Please explain to me how heavy armor and heavy weapons are supposed to be viable without Poise? Without the ability to:

-tank hits to make up for your slow attacks
-hit enemies hard enough to stun them

these weapons and armor are now completely and utterly worthless.

Poise now is tied to hyperamor, and high poise armor extends the poise value. It's still there, but trickier, you have to time it well instead of going all Broly

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Strafer

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, I finally got Father down.

This is probably the hardest NG+ I have played in Souls game. Usually I can two shot most bosses when entering NG+.
 

Red Liquorice

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Oct 27, 2017
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There is literally nothing in DS1 as hard as the bullshit enemies in the High Wall of Lothric. My Claymore (that I had to kill myself seven times to get) still takes two hits to kill basic enemies, and then we have those enemies that explore into reject Bloodborne monsters that do half your health like it's a boss battle but it isn't actually a boss battle
The Knights in Lothric have a similar attack patterns to Balder Knights and Silver Knights in DS1, they have a combo that is easy to block the first attack and parry the second, so give that a try. They're good for farming shards early on too.

The exploding enemies are weak to ,and stunned by, fire - try throwing a firebomb at them and whilst they are stunned run in and get a few attacks, then roll back out, wait for their animation to reset and repeat - if you throw the bomb too early it won't stun them again.

Stick with it, DS3 has some great areas coming up, it's too early to quit now! :)
 

Firewithin

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Oct 25, 2017
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so i went back to try and fix the Anri questline in DS3. I got to the point where i saw her in church of yorshka but i had already killed the Pontiff guy. I talked with a lady at firelink shrine and said my bride Anri would be at the temple of darkmoon. I went there and no Anri.

I fucked up by killing pontiff without/before gettting Anri to the church?
 

Vadara

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Oct 25, 2017
3,565
Okay now my controls in DS1 are screwed up, I use a 360 controller and now the game wont respond to the A button and thinks B is now accept. I did absolutely nothing at all to prompt this.

Start button doesn't work either.

EDIT: Fixed it by unplugging my controller while the game was running and replugging it back in
 
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Chopchop

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Oct 25, 2017
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Please explain to me how heavy armor and heavy weapons are supposed to be viable without Poise? Without the ability to:

-tank hits to make up for your slow attacks
-hit enemies hard enough to stun them

these weapons and armor are now completely and utterly worthless.
Heavy weapons can and do still stun enemies, but it's now harder to get their hits to land because like you said, it's harder to tank hits and still land your own.

First off, some heavy weapons have hyperarmor, so you can still tank your way through certain attacks if you time your attacks right.

Second, heavy weapons often have good reach, so instead of relying on tanking a hit while you swing your weapon, try to back off and use your range advantage to fish for attacks without putting yourself at risk. For example, back off a bit out of range from an enemy approaching you, and then charge an R2 attack. If timed right, your R2 attack will land as soon as your enemy gets into range. If that happens, it doesn't matter if your enemy was starting to swing at you as long as your hit lands first, because your charged R2 attack will flinch/knock back/flatten your enemy, interrupting their attack in the process.
 
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Etain

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Oct 25, 2017
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I installed DSIII onto a new laptop and every time I try to access the graphics settings in full screen it will crash to desktop... but it will work fine windowed, though it will happen again trying to switch to full. I can't fogur how to not make this happen, and given how simply going to the tab crashes the game I'd like to fix this rather than just setting them in windowed mode then changing it via GeForce Experience or manual editing to the config file. Any ideas?
 

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I installed DSIII onto a new laptop and every time I try to access the graphics settings in full screen it will crash to desktop... but it will work fine windowed, though it will happen again trying to switch to full. I can't fogur how to not make this happen, and given how simply going to the tab crashes the game I'd like to fix this rather than just setting them in windowed mode then changing it via GeForce Experience or manual editing to the config file. Any ideas?
Use Borderless Gaming to play at borderless fullscreen perhaps?
 

Scratches

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh, dear, another dogged contender.

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The game gave me conniptions (huehuehue) but I enjoyed the hell out of it.

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I'll miss this dump :(
 

ArmsofSleep

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Oct 27, 2017
7,833
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Finished my first ever Demon's Souls playthrough today. Sucks that the NA servers are unusable but I still had fun playing offline. Using the Meat Cleaver really did make things pretty elementary at the end though, maybe should try a build with a bit more challenge next time. The only area that gave me any trouble at all was 5-2, which is easily one of my least favorite areas in any Souls game. Old King Allant went down in two tries, so the only boss I died to 5 or more times was Armored Spider. Not too shabby.
 

Davey Cakes

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Oct 27, 2017
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Massachusetts
If I'm being honest, one of the things I LIKED about DS1 was that it was "slow." That was such a nice change-up from other games I'd been playing at the time.

That said, I'm still looking forward to DS3. At the very least, it'll probably do enough to feel somewhat fresh (yet familiar) after my post-DS2 break from Souls games.
 

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I only beat DS1 (Demon's) with a guide and failed at DS1. I now just beat DS3 and I think this will keep my heart warm during this cold winter night. What a feeling.
 

Chopchop

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Oct 25, 2017
14,171
If I couldn't really get into Dark Souls 1, how high are the chances that I will like Darks Souls 3 more?
Depends on what you didn't like. DS3 is faster, more streamlined in level design, has some quality of life changes, looks better, and runs well on PC. Otherwise it has the same feel in terms of combat, the same bleak atmosphere, and a story that is still told in fragments.
 

KatiePT

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Jan 25, 2018
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If I couldn't really get into Dark Souls 1, how high are the chances that I will like Darks Souls 3 more?

If people complained about DS3 it was because the game is kindda by the numbers - nothing new or surprising there which is a problem in a series that became legendary for it's innovativeness and the ability to constantly surprise you, among others.

But if you haven't played the previous games everything will be new for you so you won't notice those problems.
 

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As always, I miss 90% of the NPC quests in a Souls game the first time around- and Bloodborne is no different. Already can't wait for NG+ so I can actually interact with some of these ruffians! I miss them all the first time around.