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The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - timeline placement (spoilers all)
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This is good stuff.
BTW is the Sword of the Six Sages upcoming DLC or something, I don't remember it in the game.
BTW is the Sword of the Six Sages upcoming DLC or something, I don't remember it in the game.
The sword of the six sages was an amiibo exclusive item from TPHD or something.
I think BotW is totally in the Downfall timeline. There are so many deliberate callbacks to Zelda 1 and 2, from the mountain skyline resembling the manual art, having to cross bodies of water with conveniently placed rafts, the presence of Lynels, down to there being a shrine hidden behind a bombable wall on the other side of a stream.
It almost feels like a remake of the first game. If it had kept the Sages' town names from Zelda 2, it'd be absolutely certain.
I think BotW is totally in the Downfall timeline. There are so many deliberate callbacks to Zelda 1 and 2, from the mountain skyline resembling the manual art, having to cross bodies of water with conveniently placed rafts, the presence of Lynels, down to there being a shrine hidden behind a bombable wall on the other side of a stream.
It almost feels like a remake of the first game. If it had kept the Sages' town names from Zelda 2, it'd be absolutely certain.
Great stuff.
Before the launch of Skyward we (friends and I) speculated about the timeline and the placement of Skyward.
Remember: The official timeline wasn't revealed yet.
But based on the evidences and how far in the future BOTW is it really makes sense to
place it at the end of the Downfall TL
Before the launch of Skyward we (friends and I) speculated about the timeline and the placement of Skyward.
Remember: The official timeline wasn't revealed yet.
But based on the evidences and how far in the future BOTW is it really makes sense to
place it at the end of the Downfall TL
Toni Codrea ,this is great and I'm glad to see it here on ResetERA now. :) I'll probably re-read through it all over again lol
Also, a wild brandonh83 appears! Missed your presence at that other place.
Also, a wild brandonh83 appears! Missed your presence at that other place.
I personally feel BotW follows the downfall timeline, too. I think the bit about Ganon having attacked so much plus him being in the mindless form he is, coupled with the lynels, the races, the map (which I had not seen before, very cool!), as well as the sages stuff - just, if I had to pick one timeline, it'd be that one.
However I also really like the theory of BotW taking place sometime after the timelines somehow merged.
Also, great break down!
However I also really like the theory of BotW taking place sometime after the timelines somehow merged.
Also, great break down!
I don't think the Rito evolving from the Zora is a contradiction for the AT. They did so by magical means (Valoo) and there's nothing to contradict the notion that it was only a splinter group or remnant of the Zora who underwent the transition.
Besides, you get to fight River Zora in Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. The Zora were never gone.
Apropos of nothing, but I would love to see a remake of Zelda 2 done in the BotW engine. Heck, combine the original with it so that the first half of the game is defeating Ganon and the second half is the story of killing off Dark Link and Thunderbird.
Besides, you get to fight River Zora in Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. The Zora were never gone.
Apropos of nothing, but I would love to see a remake of Zelda 2 done in the BotW engine. Heck, combine the original with it so that the first half of the game is defeating Ganon and the second half is the story of killing off Dark Link and Thunderbird.
I would go with Child time line as an parallel to the original LoZ.
Or a whole new continuity, the fourth time line/soft reboot.
Or a whole new continuity, the fourth time line/soft reboot.
You have to keep in mind that the amiibo stuff is non-cannon, so we have to take that out as being credible sources for where BOTW takes place.
However, the tunic you unlock in-game is definitely similar to design to the tunics that the heroes of the fallen timeline, and a lot of people speculated that BOTW is a direct sequel to The Adventure of Link. It's only fair to say that BOTW fits squarely in The Fallen Hero Timeline like a glove.
However, the tunic you unlock in-game is definitely similar to design to the tunics that the heroes of the fallen timeline, and a lot of people speculated that BOTW is a direct sequel to The Adventure of Link. It's only fair to say that BOTW fits squarely in The Fallen Hero Timeline like a glove.
I fully believe it takes place thousands of years after Zelda II in the downfall timeline. Another thing to mention is that the King's Diary mentioned that he named his daughter Zelda because of an old royal tradition. Said tradition was established when a Zelda sometime during the Golden Era of Hyrule (I think after A Link Between World) was cursed into a deep sleep for a long long time by her brother's greed. This tradition was only mentioned in Zelda II until it was brought up recently in BotW.
It's a soft reboot that doesn't connect to other games in the timeline but references them in broad strokes.
I really do like the idea of Breath of the Wild taking place so far into the future that the timeline split has become largely irrelevant. It's far enough into the future that A) a prior civilization that existed during the Link-Zelda-Demise cycle had enough time and resources to become a science fiction utopia, B) all of that information and technology was lost until C) they had to find out about any of that information from archaeological digs with a still murky understanding of what the prophecy actually meant. That amount of time, at least on a Zelda scale (where things seem to happen incredibly close together, all things considered), would certainly be enough for the child and downfall timelines to become meaningless in their differences. Hyrule becoming a straight-up ocean is harder to reconcile, but surely someone has thought of an excuse for that.
Collapsing all of the timelines into one would certainly make future game continuity easier to build around, and with the release of the Hyrule Historia (and the update of the timeline in the Japanese Hyrule Encyclopedia), it certainly seems like they're wanting to leave that door open.
Collapsing all of the timelines into one would certainly make future game continuity easier to build around, and with the release of the Hyrule Historia (and the update of the timeline in the Japanese Hyrule Encyclopedia), it certainly seems like they're wanting to leave that door open.
Is that in one of the diaries in the castle. I must have missed it.
I think the game takes place on the downfall timeline as well. Everything just seems to fit that timeline.
Yeah, it's in the King's Secret Study in the library area in Hyrule Castle.
It's mentioned in BotW that they basically banned all Sheikah tech sometime 10,000 years ago for some stupid reason, that includes the knowledge to make rubber as apparently they invented the stuff.
No. Fucking. Way.
Yeah, it's in the King's Secret Study in the library area in Hyrule Castle.
I missed that room!
It being part of the Downfall timeline (which I think is also the Main timeline, I mean most of the games are in it!) is what sticks more.
But I wouldn't be suprised if it was outside the 3 usual timelines and be it's own thing.
But I wouldn't be suprised if it was outside the 3 usual timelines and be it's own thing.
I mean we're supposedly getting more timeline info in hyrule encyclopedia, so I suspect we'll get a real answer there. But it's totally downfall
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If not mentioned before ,another piece of evidence that points towards the Downfall Timeline is the appearance of Lynels which ONLY appear in the downfall timeline
Edit: oops ,i missed the sentence of you mentioning them ,my bad XD
Edit: oops ,i missed the sentence of you mentioning them ,my bad XD
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I hope kinda that Aonuma just comes out and says that it's so far after the original 3 timelines that they have merged. Or that the royal family line found out about the split timeline in someway.
There are so many references in the game that point to all of them and the Hyrule Family knows about the events of Twilight Princess, as Zelda mentions multiple games from different timelines in the very first memory.
Altho if it fits in a single one then the royal family must have found out about the timeline stuff in a way. Because how are those references possible otherwise?
I dunno if we can count the first dlc pack but if yes that one even mentions the Twilight Princess herself, and that the royal family collects important items from the past.
But this is just a example there are many hints to the Child and Downfall and creation (for sure not this one lol) timeline aswell. So it's really hard to place it 100% somewhere.
There are so many references in the game that point to all of them and the Hyrule Family knows about the events of Twilight Princess, as Zelda mentions multiple games from different timelines in the very first memory.
Altho if it fits in a single one then the royal family must have found out about the timeline stuff in a way. Because how are those references possible otherwise?
I dunno if we can count the first dlc pack but if yes that one even mentions the Twilight Princess herself, and that the royal family collects important items from the past.
But this is just a example there are many hints to the Child and Downfall and creation (for sure not this one lol) timeline aswell. So it's really hard to place it 100% somewhere.
There was an explosion after Midna and Ganondorf fought, but I don't think the castle and surrounding city were completely leveled, and the credits have a shot focusing on the statue of the Goddesses around the Triforce, so that to me implies it either survived in some form or the castle was restored.
Great OP, I too think BotW is the very last Zelda in the time line with Ganon finally being purged from the land. I think Nintendo just didn't care much about it though, they just wanted to toss the most references to other games in as they could, would be great if the upcoming DLC would clear some stuff up. I'd love to play a prequel to Breath of the Wild though, replaying the events that took place roughly a hundred years ago or perhaps even the events that took place 10.000 years ago, there is a huge gap between The Adventure of Link and Breath of the Wild, because I am positive I haven't seen the likes of guardians and divine beasts in any other Zelda game before.
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Good stuff man.
I really liked how in depth with the lore they went with BotW. They expanded the universe a fuck ton with this one and it's awesome.
I also agree that Downfall timeline makes the most sense.
I really liked how in depth with the lore they went with BotW. They expanded the universe a fuck ton with this one and it's awesome.
I also agree that Downfall timeline makes the most sense.
Have they actually commented on when the DLC is being released? I feel like I need to go back and give this game another good shake.
Awesome OP. I was calling post AoL since the beginning. It's the only one that really made sense and the evidence just kept mounting more and more as we saw more of the game. There's certainly elements from all over the series and thus all timelines, but when it comes down to the really major important stuff Downfall and Post AoL is the only one that really fits the bill.
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I've always been on the border between Downfall and Child. The world definitely seems more in-line with the depiction in Downfall but I think it's at least plausible to fit things into Child as well.
The ALTTP map comparison doesn't do much for me - all of the Zelda games line up like that, in broad strokes. Death Mountain up north, woods in the southeast, desert to the southwest, castle in the middle. The only things that really move around are the Lost Woods and Kakariko. It gets the Woods right but moves Kakariko.
The ALTTP map comparison doesn't do much for me - all of the Zelda games line up like that, in broad strokes. Death Mountain up north, woods in the southeast, desert to the southwest, castle in the middle. The only things that really move around are the Lost Woods and Kakariko. It gets the Woods right but moves Kakariko.
If they actually try to put it in the official timeline, they'll probably pull a Bethesda and just say "all the timelines happened at once." A Dragon Break for the Zelda universe, if you will.
not saying you copied or anything, just thought it was relevant and interesting
There are strong points for every timeline, which may be the intention. Perhaps Nintendo isn't going to say and wants players to draw their own conclusion. This is somewhat similar to the "convergence" theory some people had where all three timelines eventually end up at BotW. Or they're just making junk up as usual and don't care about where it fits anymore. I still think a FOURTH TIMELINE is very possible. "What if Link DIDN'T get that heart piece from the frogs in OoT?"
