Turnout was lower for most games in general, and EVO 2016 wasn't a great experience for Smash players. 2016 was an outlier also due to SFV's release.
But either way generally speaking Melee is still huge.
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Fighting Games Era |OT| Two-Button Dashes Are Great
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But either way generally speaking Melee is still huge.
Sixfortyfive I can feel that but generally every game had a massive drop due to the SfV trickle down effect. It wasn't just a Smash thing although the trickle down effect impacted Smash and SFV the most because they were the most inflated.
There might be a similar inflation this year due to DBZ. Nothing absurd like having 5k entrants as with SFV but it's going to be a reasonable tick up that will impact most games there. If they have MvC there then you are going to have some people who register for both, for example.
There might be a similar inflation this year due to DBZ. Nothing absurd like having 5k entrants as with SFV but it's going to be a reasonable tick up that will impact most games there. If they have MvC there then you are going to have some people who register for both, for example.
Melee been dominated by the same half-dozen players for a decade and they're too busy throwing conniptions over what software mods they should implement into their tournaments.
Kind of wish they really would boycott events that don't run UCF, 'cause EVO for sure wouldn't be running that bullshit.
Kind of wish they really would boycott events that don't run UCF, 'cause EVO for sure wouldn't be running that bullshit.
Plup just won a supermajor, over Hungrybox, Armada, Leffen, etc at Genesis.
Yeah the only game that increased was Tekken due to the console release.
GAF had that functionality? I don't remember that. Looking at their new site, I don't anything similar.
I don't pay attention to them now so I don't know or care what they have
late edit: also i think you were banned before it got put into place
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I don't think that functionality would do anything to address the poor organization of fighting game info. I don't know of any solution, period.
I actually think it can help if it's put out there and people know about it. I think the essence of what's happening is that social media is narcissism and people want to be able to tweet/upload shit for followers/subscribers. If they know that they can post their novel tech on a forum website and still have it published on their Twitter profile, they not only get the recognition they seek, but they can have it archived outside that miasma on an organized forum page where it will be easier to find again outside a Twitter feed. That helps everyone.
If I had to pick 9 games that would probably be my list as well:
#1-4) SFV, Smash 4, DBZF & Tekken 7 are all obvious shoe-ins.
#5) Melee - I continue to be baffled by people saying it will/should be cut given the number of unique entrants it gets. I would have to imagine they might secretly want to cut it just for logistic and other issues (I'm sure they're thrilled with having to deal with CRTs and GC's just for this game), but unless Nintendo pulls the plug on it or something crazy happens I don't see this not coming back for the foreseeable future just because of the $$$ involved.
#6) Injustice 2 - I'd say this is a lock just because of $$$ regardless of whatever it's scene currently looks like (I have no idea, I never ever see anyone mention it).
#7) Gets a bit dicey here for me between Rev 2 and MvCI; I'd probably give the edge to Rev 2 because of it's international/JP scene but hard to say. IIRC Rev 2 is getting an update though which is more than we know about MvCI so it's also got that going for it.
Anything past that is probably MvCI, Cross Tag and KOF14. Normally I'd say KOF14 has zero chance but like Rev 2 it's at least getting support and characters. I don't know that Cross Tag makes it honestly unless they go 10+ games.
Edit: I don't know why, but I'm really feeling like he knows MvC3 is making it? God I would die laughing if MvC3 makes it, fucking do it!
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Yooo, this KOF beat-em-up looks sick as hell! Why is this only on mobile??
If they were smart, they'd re-release KOF14 and pack this in as an addition.
There's another mobile KOF beat em up game in the work that is cel-shaded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f53GvCaaWNY
It looks really good.
Are we allowed to post our own guide videos in here or is there a "no self promotion" rule?
Also, Evo lineup is Tekken, SFV, Smash4, Smash Melee, IJ2, GGRev2, BBxTB and DBFZ
Rip in pieces Mahvel
Also, Evo lineup is Tekken, SFV, Smash4, Smash Melee, IJ2, GGRev2, BBxTB and DBFZ
Rip in pieces Mahvel
Is the Beta free? Because that matters.
Glad they're finding success with the show, but I want to see them succeed with their fighting game in arcades and on consoles. I don't care about the other stuff unless it's a direct result of the success they're having with their fighting games.
It sucks because I'm not really feeling anything about DBFZ right now and I enjoyed watching MvCI tourneys more then what I saw from DBFZ so far. Regardless Dissidia's getting all my attention right now of the fighting games anyways.
Also Yipes seems to be in good spirits about MvCI still on his stream.
Also Yipes seems to be in good spirits about MvCI still on his stream.
All the lineup are great. I'm all about whatever game gets the most entrants deserves to be in it which means Melee should always get in. And it should always get the Sunday finals over 4.
If it's all about the entrants, how can you say it should always be finals over 4? 4 has outdrawn Melee in both EVOs in which they've both appeared.
And, from my experience, the community for 4 is infinitely less shitty.
MvCI reeks of low production values and corporate meddling
best not to hold up that game on a pedestal when there so many other deserving fighters
best not to hold up that game on a pedestal when there so many other deserving fighters
ARMS, Pokken, and Mario Kart for EVO
all three of them would have a great second yearMvCI reeks of low production values and corporate meddling
best not to hold up that game on a pedestal when there so many other deserving fighters
ARMS, Pokken, and Mario Kart for EVO
not that i play BB or anything, but i am super surprised that BBxTB got in over Central Fiction. Also, ARMS at evo japan was really great super disappointing, it's not on the lineup.
Yeah, I also think Central Fiction would have made more sense in the lineup.
For me, the exclusion of KoF feels really weird. Maybe they should have left Fighterz for next year after all the DLC has come out?
If I were running EVO and only had 8 spots, I'd pick BBxTB over CT too. The CT scene has dwindled in the states since the last update, even more so now that DBFZ is out.
BBxTB is something else almost completely new which brings potential hype to the event and ArcSys probably ponied up some cash for the advertising.
As much as I hate the waifu-look of the game I'd have probably done the same.
BBxTB is something else almost completely new which brings potential hype to the event and ArcSys probably ponied up some cash for the advertising.
As much as I hate the waifu-look of the game I'd have probably done the same.
As someone who only watches Evo, my only complaint about the line up is that has been too long that we have 2 Smash games in it. Leave one of them to side tournaments and bring another series, seriously.
That really only makes sense from your own parochial standpoint, though. From every other angle it makes sense to have both games, and I dislike Smash 4 and dislike the fact that Melee does take forever at tournaments, despite it being my favorite game ever.
Eh. We don't have SF2 and V or Tekken 3 and 7 or KOF98 and XIV multiple years in a row. I think not giving multiple slots to the same franchise regularly is not that arbitrary. But hey, it doesn't really matter nor affects anything.
The problem with those comparisons are the sheer numbers of unique players that compete in the Melee/Smash 4 dichotomy. You'd be alienating a good 1500-2000 entrants if you axed one of those games, which is just hard to do from a business perspective.
I've been meaning to go to Evo for years, but I'm committed to this being my first year. I'm loving DBZ, so I wouldn't mind entering (and losing) that. Plus I've got 7 months to save up for hotel and tickets.
So there's been rumors (apparently sourced from that evo announcement stream) that all four of the main RWBY characters will be included in the base price of BBxTB. Supposedly only two (Ruby and Weiss) will be available at launch, and the other two will be DLC, but as free DLC.
edit: Confirmed on twitter
https://twitter.com/ArcSystemWorksU/status/961062016164286465
So i am probably gonna get this game. wasn't gonna buy it if i had to spend extra to get Yang, but even though this still isn't a great DLC plan, it's still something i'm kinda hype for.
edit: Confirmed on twitter
https://twitter.com/ArcSystemWorksU/status/961062016164286465
So i am probably gonna get this game. wasn't gonna buy it if i had to spend extra to get Yang, but even though this still isn't a great DLC plan, it's still something i'm kinda hype for.
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Melee is the far superior game. It'll never die.
So the lesson here is developer should stop nerfing sequels. Look at the beginning of SFV, Look at Destiny 2, look at Marvel Infinite, etc. Keep the tradition going and add new content over time but don't nerf the game for what it is and known for in the first place. In Marvel's case, 3 on 3, assists, etc. And put your effort into visuals, you are not an indie company making an indie game. You have the hottest property on the planet and you are crapping on it.
So the lesson here is developer should stop nerfing sequels. Look at the beginning of SFV, Look at Destiny 2, look at Marvel Infinite, etc. Keep the tradition going and add new content over time but don't nerf the game for what it is and known for in the first place. In Marvel's case, 3 on 3, assists, etc. And put your effort into visuals, you are not an indie company making an indie game. You have the hottest property on the planet and you are crapping on it.
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I am hoping that DBFZ will teach Nintendo and Capcom a lesson about how you make a fighting game that lets casuals have fun. It isn't in dumbing down or slowing down the gameplay. It's in adding default accessibility options that allow for "fun" to be had with limited investment.
Casuals will still get crushed by better players anyway, most games already do a decent job at that anyway.
Developers/publishers always learn the wrong lessons in these instances. They'll probably just assume you need a property like DBZ to sell a FG in the market. Fighting Games have been accessible for a really long time IMO and Melee has been an example developers could have looked towards 17 years ago.
Paying attention to the new God of War's development has had me thinking a lot about game development and how developers getting long in the tooth can affect long time fans. People get older and become more sober in their ambitions and the things they create tend to reflect that. Sometimes your fans grow to appreciate that soberness with you, because they might be following a similar life trajectory since they grew up with you, but many still hold the fiery passion of a twenty something year old and want the newer games in a franchise to appeal to that zeal. Not everyone is settling down with a 9-5 and family and want their video games to reflect that lifestyle, especially when it comes to fighting games (Sakurai).
Basically, I think a lot of the dumbing down of these games is coming down to a need for new blood, but it seems in short supply/muted due to the AAA trajectory of the industry. The sure bets are the veterans that have proven their value.
Paying attention to the new God of War's development has had me thinking a lot about game development and how developers getting long in the tooth can affect long time fans. People get older and become more sober in their ambitions and the things they create tend to reflect that. Sometimes your fans grow to appreciate that soberness with you, because they might be following a similar life trajectory since they grew up with you, but many still hold the fiery passion of a twenty something year old and want the newer games in a franchise to appeal to that zeal. Not everyone is settling down with a 9-5 and family and want their video games to reflect that lifestyle, especially when it comes to fighting games (Sakurai).
Basically, I think a lot of the dumbing down of these games is coming down to a need for new blood, but it seems in short supply/muted due to the AAA trajectory of the industry. The sure bets are the veterans that have proven their value.
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You can't please everyone and no matter how much you cater to casuals it's not a surefire way to get their attention. I think more focus should be on people who have bought your games from the start and loves what you already did. Work your way from there.
DBZF is a new game so it doesn't really count. DBZ is a hot property in it's own right so it will have some guaranteed success. But I'm talking more about sequels. Too many dumbing down. Don't know if it's a budget thing or changes for the sake of changes but it's not working in their favor.
DBZF is a new game so it doesn't really count. DBZ is a hot property in it's own right so it will have some guaranteed success. But I'm talking more about sequels. Too many dumbing down. Don't know if it's a budget thing or changes for the sake of changes but it's not working in their favor.
