Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now

dstarMDA · Feb 6, 2018

Wow, kudos to LG support (France). Had a bizarre issue on my C7 and they'll be coming to my place next week to replace the panel. Just needed a few pictures, no sending (and waiting) required.

I feel better about ordering their SJ8 soundbar now haha.

Well now I'm worrying about panel lottery but that's just my typical tech anxiety kicking in.

FoxSpirit · Feb 6, 2018

Yeah, we run at 70 and have no real problems with ABL. And if it's a pure white page it prevents burning our eyes out :-P

Beef Stallmer · Feb 6, 2018

Soriku said:
35 and under is too dark IMO. ABL isn't nearly aggressive enough to compromise the overall brightness by doing that.

That's what I was afraid of, thanks!

RedlineRonin · Feb 6, 2018

Darryl M R said:
Are there any signs hinting that Nvidia might include OLED for future bfgd?

Haven't seen anything yet.

The weird thing is they're partnering with all sorts of OEMs to produce them, and my guess is, if you're LG you'd rather just have people buy your own OLED TVs. LGD of course operates as a separate entity, but if you're an OEM that isn't LG or NV, then you're paying a premium to buy the panel from LGD, and another premium to license G Sync, and still have to somehow competitively price your product. Seems like it could be a tall order.

Darryl M R · Feb 6, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
Haven't seen anything yet.

The weird thing is they're partnering with all sorts of OEMs to produce them, and my guess is, if you're LG you'd rather just have people buy your own OLED TVs. LGD of course operates as a separate entity, but if you're an OEM that isn't LG or NV, then you're paying a premium to buy the panel from LGD, and another premium to license G Sync, and still have to somehow competitively price your product. Seems like it could be a tall order.

Darn.

I can see how getting it all together would be a logistic hassle resulting in a extremely huge price tag. But I think Nvidia's bfgd with OLED would be the dream TV for a lot of gaming enthusiasts.

Do you currently know what TV is reigning as top dog for 2018, released or unreleased?

RedlineRonin · Feb 6, 2018

Darryl M R said:
Darn.

I can see how getting it all together would be a logistic hassle resulting in a extremely huge price tag. But I think Nvidia's bfgd with OLED would be the dream TV for a lot of gaming enthusiasts.

Do you currently know what TV is reigning as top dog for 2018, released or unreleased?

Oh, totally agree. the idea of an OLED based, 65" gaming monitor is awesome. But as soon as price comes into play, and you have to make value comparisons, that's where it will get interesting. Esp with VRR coming as part of HDMI 2.1, and what that means for G Sync/Nvidia GTX owners (like myself). Lots of questions out there yet.

Top dog for 2018 is very much TBD, and will be until early reviews start hitting, maybe March/April? We know what we know from spec sheets and subjective impressions at CES, but it won't be until later when HDTVtest and Rtings are able to put things through paces that we really know what's better than what. And just like this year where it seemed that Sony's were maybe more popular than Samsung, that was the opposite the year before with Samsung's KS8000 doing really well. All that means we won't know what happens this year until we start seeing A)reviews of performance and B) what each level of performance costs.

ElNino · Feb 6, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
If you want a decent picture, set to at least 60, 35 and under make it look dead.

Maybe I should check my pulse then. I have it set to 35 and it looks great to me.

DOTDASHDOT · Feb 6, 2018

ElNino said:
Maybe I should check my pulse then. I have it set to 35 and it looks great to me.

Of course it does, but it gets a whole lot better, when cranked!

Just remember this, unlike LCD, no matter how far you up the oled light, blacks will ALWAYS stay black, thus increasing dynamic range, it doesn't work like that on an LCD in SDR.

ElNino · Feb 6, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
Of course it does, but it gets a whole lot better, when cranked!

Just remember this, unlike LCD, no matter how far you up the oled light, blacks will ALWAYS stay black, thus increasing dynamic range, it doesn't work like that on an LCD in SDR.

I understand that, but higher than that is too bright for me. Part of the reason I bought plasma previously instead of LCD was the more natural look to me, and the brightness was a big part of that.

BastardSamurai · Feb 6, 2018

Haee said:
Should I not set up my OLED Light to 100 in the LG B7? Heard about issues with it on the B6

FoxSpirit said:
We kept it at 70 for the first weeks just in case, but concerning burn in test values, the 17 series >>>>>> 16 series. Yes, that much.

Kudo said:
35 and under decreases the intensity of ABL so many people here tend to use that. For HDR 100 is fine.

Soriku said:
35 and under is too dark IMO. ABL isn't nearly aggressive enough to compromise the overall brightness by doing that.

DOTDASHDOT said:
If you want a decent picture, set to at least 60, 35 and under make it look dead.

FoxSpirit said:
Yeah, we run at 70 and have no real problems with ABL. And if it's a pure white page it prevents burning our eyes out :-P

I only use 35 if I have all the other lights in my area (living room, dining room, hallway, etc.) turned off. It's a too dark for my general viewing area (either daytime, or at night with more lights on).

I also thought that a high OLED light setting in SDR might contribute to IR/BI, so I generally have my OLED set to 50. 70 or higher in SDR feels a bit like the TV is trying to fry my eyes, but I'm now thinking of dialing it up to 60 or so for a bit more brightness/pop, LOLz.

DOTDASHDOT · Feb 6, 2018

ElNino said:
I understand that, but higher than that is too bright for me. Part of the reason I bought plasma previously instead of LCD was the more natural look to me, and the brightness was a big part of that.

Fair enough, my calibrator was the one who said, not to worry about burn in etc, and to turn it up as you're leaving performance off the table! The calibrator was Vincent Teoh :0

I've said too much lol.

BastardSamurai said:
I only use 35 if I have all the other lights in my area (living room, dining room, hallway, etc.) turned off. It's a too dark for my general viewing area (either daytime, or at night with more lights on).

I also thought that a high OLED light setting in SDR might contribute to IR/BI, so I generally have my OLED set to 50. 70 or higher in SDR feels a bit like the TV is trying to fry my eyes, but I'm now thinking of dialing it up to 60 or so for a bit more brightness/pop, LOLz.

Thing is, frying eyes doesn't happen on OLED's really, when full white screens are present, ABL kicks in anyway! But for mixed content, damn it's good.

Punished Goku · Feb 6, 2018

These are the lines I'm seeing on my tv.

a stray cat · Feb 6, 2018

Punished Goku said:
These are the lines I'm seeing on my tv.

If this is an edge-lit LED TV, then this just may be an artifact of how the backlighting works for those TVs. However, that does look pretty uneven.

Punished Goku · Feb 6, 2018

a stray cat said:
If this is an edge-lit LED TV, then this just may be an artifact of how the backlighting works for those TVs. However, that does look pretty uneven.

You mean the tv, or the vertical line? I was just holding the camera at a weird angle lol
It is an edge lit tv though, is that why the line is there?

Kudo · Feb 6, 2018

Beef Stallmer said:
won't 35 and under compromise the color reproduction? Or is there no visible difference?

IIRC Rtings used like 17, so I doubt it. Just set it to what fits your room lightning. I have no other light sources in the room so 35 is plenty bright.

Smokey · Feb 6, 2018

I was previously using ISF Expert Bright Room for SDR Content, and the OLED light is at 46. I didn't realize it was on Bright Room. Even when watching in darkness, OLED light at 46 was fine. I just changed it to ISF Expert Dark and they ups the OLED light to 55. Will see how that looks.

BastardSamurai · Feb 6, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
Fair enough, my calibrator was the one who said, not to worry about burn in etc, and to turn it up as you're leaving performance off the table! The calibrator was Vincent Teoh :0

I've said too much lol.

Thing is, frying eyes doesn't happen on OLED's really, when full white screens are present, ABL kicks in anyway! But for mixed content, damn it's good.

Whoa whoa, you had HDTVTest himself calibrate your LG? Now you got me more intrigued, =P

Also, it's not the completely white screen that I'm afraid of. It's the pockets of searing white that get you. Cloverfield Paradox on Netflix is a recent example, where there's a scene of a dark room where a BRIGHT LIGHT passes by the window every few seconds. Each time the light came on, I thought to myself, "this is how a vampire feels when the sun hits them." =)

Bumrush · Feb 6, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
Fair enough, my calibrator was the one who said, not to worry about burn in etc, and to turn it up as you're leaving performance off the table! The calibrator was Vincent Teoh

Seriously? That's pretty cool. Dude LOVES calibrating OLEDs.

Smokey · Feb 6, 2018

BastardSamurai said:
Whoa whoa, you had HDTVTest himself calibrate your LG? Now you got me more intrigued, =P

Also, it's not the completely white screen that I'm afraid of. It's the pockets of searing white that get you. Cloverfield Paradox on Netflix is a recent example, where there's a scene of a dark room where a BRIGHT LIGHT passes by the window every few seconds. Each time the light came on, I thought to myself, "this is how a vampire feels when the sun hits them." =)

I'm guessing CP is HDR enabled? Maybe that's what you were experiencing?

And changing the OLED light doesn't impact black levels? That true? Hadn't heard that. Maybe I'm thinking of brightness.

BastardSamurai · Feb 6, 2018

Smokey said:
I'm guessing CP is HDR enabled? Maybe that's what you were experiencing?

Yea, it's Dolby Vision enabled. I was mostly using it as an example of how intense bits of white are crazy on my OLED. I had to change my Netflix subtitles to a darker grey as a result.

DOTDASHDOT · Feb 6, 2018

BastardSamurai said:
Whoa whoa, you had HDTVTest himself calibrate your LG? Now you got me more intrigued, =P

Also, it's not the completely white screen that I'm afraid of. It's the pockets of searing white that get you. Cloverfield Paradox on Netflix is a recent example, where there's a scene of a dark room where a BRIGHT LIGHT passes by the window every few seconds. Each time the light came on, I thought to myself, "this is how a vampire feels when the sun hits them." =)

I've just not felt that, I watch in a pitch black room too, VT put it at 60, from 35, but said if you feel like more kick, just stick it up.

Bumrush said:
Seriously? That's pretty cool. Dude LOVES calibrating OLEDs.

Yeah he does, definitely knows his stuff! He is quite expensive, but worth it.

Beef Stallmer · Feb 6, 2018

Kudo said:
IIRC Rtings used like 17, so I doubt it. Just set it to what fits your room lightning. I have no other light sources in the room so 35 is plenty bright.

I will look it up but I don't think you get full rec 709 let alone the wider color space at 17

Kudo · Feb 6, 2018

Beef Stallmer said:
I will look it up but I don't think you get full rec 709 let alone the wider color space at 17

Let me know how it goes, though would be weird if true, I'm pretty sure Rtings have calibrators and they use 16 (just checked).

BastardSamurai · Feb 6, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
Yeah he does, definitely knows his stuff! He is quite expensive, but worth it.

I'm fully aware that panel variance along with everyone having unique viewing/lighting situation means you can't just copy settings from one TV to another. Also, that I would need meters and stuff like CALMAN to mess with 2-point or CMS stuff.

Even so, I'm curious as to what your general settings are. Like Contrast, Brightness, Color, Color Gamut, Gamma and which Picture Modes you're using.

I'm generally using Technicolor Expert with 50 OLED Light, 95 Contrast (people say to stay around 85, but using patterns, I bump it up), 51 Brightness, 47 Color with Auto Gamut (I've seen some suggestions for 46 Color at Extended Gamut) and 2.2 Gamma.

tmdorsey · Feb 6, 2018

Punished Goku said:
Thanks. Right now only my Apple4k tv and directtv box are connected to HDMI 2&3

FPS murderer said:
Welcome. I would move the DirecTV to 1 or 4, more than enough.

If the Directv box is the C61K that's 4K compatible, I would leave it on HDMI 3. If you move it to 1 or 4 you may have problems with the live 4K/HDR content that Directv broadcasts.

Punished Goku said:
These are the lines I'm seeing on my tv.

I exchanged a 930e for similar lines like those. The new set doesn't have them and is clean. I would exchange that panel.

Deleted member 18847 · Feb 6, 2018

I have an LG B7 and love the picture generally. 4K HDR blurays look great but In nearly every game I have noticeable banding. I'm not referring to the vertical banding inherent to these sets.

I notice it from both the Pro and X. I've tried forcing 4:2:0 but see no real difference. It's most obvious in skies such as Zero Dawn and was really bad in the vignette that appears at the edges of the first person camera at the start of battlefront 2 when you are controlling the droid. In non HDR its a totally smooth graduation from light to dark but in HDR mode its literally 4 concentric circles with very abrupt changes between tones.

I've maybe noticed it subtly in bright light sources in the 4K disk of Blade Runner 2049.

Is this a HDR thing or an LG OLED thing?

Smokey · Feb 6, 2018

BastardSamurai said:
I'm fully aware that panel variance along with everyone having unique viewing/lighting situation means you can't just copy settings from one TV to another. Also, that I would need meters and stuff like CALMAN to mess with 2-point or CMS stuff.

Even so, I'm curious as to what your general settings are. Like Contrast, Brightness, Color, Color Gamut, Gamma and which Picture Modes you're using.

I'm generally using Technicolor Expert with 50 OLED Light, 95 Contrast (people say to stay around 85, but using patterns, I bump it up), 51 Brightness, 47 Color with Auto Gamut (I've seen some suggestions for 46 Color at Extended Gamut) and 2.2 Gamma.

95 contrast?

I'm wondering if my settings are dull af for SDR lol

Bumrush · Feb 6, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
Yeah he does, definitely knows his stuff! He is quite expensive, but worth it.

Ballpark $? Rough estimate if he's not very open with pricing

pvin626 · Feb 6, 2018

I'm not too sure if anyone here has experienced any of the following while watching HDR/Dolby Digital Content with their TCL P 605/607, When certain scenes are too dark I noticed that there are various white/off-white flashes, like the dark black areas are trying to automatically adjust. I googled it and the closest thing that I found is something called " clouding". At times, if there is only visible text, I do get some extra white shine coming from the text that is very visible. Anyone have any fixes for this?

BastardSamurai · Feb 6, 2018

Smokey said:
95 contrast?

I'm wondering if my settings are dull af for SDR lol

In the AVSForum thread, general practice is to leave Contrast on 85.

On a test pattern like this:

I had to bump it up to 95 to get 230-234 flashing while 235 and higher stayed just white.

Punished Goku · Feb 6, 2018

tmdorsey said:
If the Directv box is the C61K that's 4K compatible, I would leave it on HDMI 3. If you move it to 1 or 4 you may have problems with the live 4K/HDR content that Directv broadcasts.

I exchanged a 930e for similar lines like those. The new set doesn't have them and is clean. I would exchange that panel.

I think I'm going to end up doing that. Where did you exchange? At a store or directly from Sony?

Dez · Feb 6, 2018

Surfheart said:
I have an LG B7 and love the picture generally. 4K HDR blurays look great but In nearly every game I have noticeable banding. I'm not referring to the vertical banding inherent to these sets.

I notice it from both the Pro and X. I've tried forcing 4:2:0 but see no real difference. It's most obvious in skies such as Zero Dawn and was really bad in the vignette that appears at the edges of the first person camera at the start of battlefront 2 when you are controlling the droid. In non HDR its a totally smooth graduation from light to dark but in HDR mode its literally 4 concentric circles with very abrupt changes between tones.

I've maybe noticed it subtly in bright light sources in the 4K disk of Blade Runner 2049.

Is this a HDR thing or an LG OLED thing?

There's an issue with your setup somewhere. Are you using PC input label for your HDMI input? That's the usual cause of banding in HDR mode. Are you using an AVR in between your ps4 and TV?

LhommeCornichon · Feb 6, 2018

Don't know if you'll find it appropriate but I'm having a hard time finding a Soundbar to pair with a 4K HDR TV and consoles so I made a "S.O.S." thread :

https://www.resetera.com/threads/af...undbar-i-really-need-some-help-advices.21601/

Deleted member 18847 · Feb 6, 2018

Dez said:
There's an issue with your setup somewhere. Are you using PC input label for your HDMI input? That's the usual cause of banding in HDR mode. Are you using an AVR in between your ps4 and TV?

No, both pro and X directly connected, using default labels for the inputs. No banding in non HDR modes (4:4:4)

Will doublecheck labels when in HDR mode. HDMI cables wouldn't play a part would they?

Deleted member 38227 · Feb 6, 2018

Dez · Feb 6, 2018

Surfheart said:
No, both pro and X directly connected, using default labels for the inputs. No banding in non HDR modes (4:4:4)

Will doublecheck labels when in HDR mode. HDMI cables wouldn't play a part would they?

They could play a part if they aren't 18gbps certified. But before that check the input icon and make sure it's not PC. Also make sure you've enabled deep colour on the HDMI input.

Soriku · Feb 6, 2018

I don't understand why deep color isn't enabled by default.

nihilence · Feb 6, 2018

Why do so many defaults hurt the picture or viewing experience quality?

Out of the box: soap opera on, hdr and port features off etc.

Smokey · Feb 6, 2018

BastardSamurai said:
In the AVSForum thread, general practice is to leave Contrast on 85.

On a test pattern like this:

I had to bump it up to 95 to get 230-234 flashing while 235 and higher stayed just white.

To be clear this is for SDR Content right? HDR it's at 100, or should be.

BastardSamurai · Feb 6, 2018

Smokey said:
To be clear this is for SDR Content right? HDR it's at 100, or should be.

Correct. From what I've read, most settings should be left alone for HDR10 and Dolby Vision, as messing with them affects tone mapping. Most of my tweaks are for SDR.

Deleted member 18847 · Feb 6, 2018

Dez said:
They could play a part if they aren't 18gbps certified. But before that check the input icon and make sure it's not PC. Also make sure you've enabled deep colour on the HDMI input.

Thanks, I'll check that. Pretty sure I've enabled deep colour, HDR doesn't work without it enabled I thought?

MrBob · Feb 6, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
Fair enough, my calibrator was the one who said, not to worry about burn in etc, and to turn it up as you're leaving performance off the table! The calibrator was Vincent Teoh :0

I've said too much lol.

Thing is, frying eyes doesn't happen on OLED's really, when full white screens are present, ABL kicks in anyway! But for mixed content, damn it's good.

Do you turn up the oled light setting for Dolby vision content. Would that mess with the tone mapping though.

Echo · Feb 7, 2018

I dunno if this is the thread specifically to ask, but something I've been wondering about with regards to HDR lately...

When you intend to use HDR properly in a game that supports it, do you adjust the in-game brightness as directed and then turn on HDR? Or do you turn on HDR and then adjust the brightness as directed?

Nothing Loud · Feb 7, 2018

I have an LG B7A and have no clue where to start with calibrating so I've just been using technicolor mode, but the HDR game mode is borked in brightness. Was there ever a workaround for this, or are we just supposed to settle with the brightness downgrade?

Any calibration suggestions for a B7A?

Deleted member 14649 · Feb 7, 2018

Smokey said:
95 contrast?

I'm wondering if my settings are dull af for SDR lol

95 on contrast will blow out white detail on any of these OLEDs. That's even taking panel variance into account.

DOTDASHDOT · Feb 7, 2018

BastardSamurai said:
I'm fully aware that panel variance along with everyone having unique viewing/lighting situation means you can't just copy settings from one TV to another. Also, that I would need meters and stuff like CALMAN to mess with 2-point or CMS stuff.

Even so, I'm curious as to what your general settings are. Like Contrast, Brightness, Color, Color Gamut, Gamma and which Picture Modes you're using.

I'm generally using Technicolor Expert with 50 OLED Light, 95 Contrast (people say to stay around 85, but using patterns, I bump it up), 51 Brightness, 47 Color with Auto Gamut (I've seen some suggestions for 46 Color at Extended Gamut) and 2.2 Gamma.

Use 97 (100 for full rgb) for contrast, 85 is too low, this is where test patterns are not very useful. 50 colour, 2.4 gamma (SDR films are mastered to that)
50 colour, 51 brightness, 15 sharpness, and i use 70 OLED light.

Bumrush said:
Ballpark $? Rough estimate if he's not very open with pricing

£400 ish.

MrBob said:
Do you turn up the oled light setting for Dolby vision content. Would that mess with the tone mapping though.

Leave at 50, it's the level that DV is designed to work at, remember DV knows the capabilities of the display.

Ayra Sutoraifu · Feb 7, 2018

Ayra Sutoraifu said:
About local dimming and contrast enhancement… what are your takes guys?

Anyone?

Haloid1177 · Feb 7, 2018

So I'm having quite the weird issue. While playing the SOTC remake on my Pro, a loud, continous beep started when I got the desert. I jump back to a black menu, nothing. Jump back in, beep. Jump back to my main menu, go to settings, which is a yellow screen, beeping again. This is on a 2017 B7. Had it since October and never had anything like this happen. I do have new HDMI cables that I ordered over the weekend coming today so maybe that'll fix it, but was just curious if anyone else had the issue. Everything is going through my Sony HTST-5000.

Bumrush · Feb 7, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
£400 ish.

Oh, that's not too bad!

RedlineRonin · Feb 7, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
£400 ish.

Bumrush said:
Oh, that's not too bad!

That's actually totally reasonable.

I wonder if he ever does US tours....

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