I'd argue that a combo of Knov and Meleoreon could have taken out the King and was most likely why he was taken out of the equation.
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I'd argue that a combo of Knov and Meleoreon could have taken out the King and was most likely why he was taken out of the equation.
The 'weaknesses' are always exaggerated by HxH fans. They're also irrelevant, I don't care what restriction is put in place. Characters shouldn't be able to wish for the power to easily beat their enemies. Even Dragon Ball doesn't write fights this poorly.
I don't think you know what the word irrelevant means if you're using it to describe the restrictions and conditions of Nen powers.
Restrictions are irrelevant to the fights not feeling cheap and pointless. You can't just say Kurapika might kill himself one day and that makes easily killing Uvogin and easily getting rid of Chrollo's Nen not seem dumb.
So his Nen has a set of very serious condition that he is still having to deal with currently in the manga to the point it very well may kill him but yeah, totally irrelevant. No offense but you picking DBZ as the example of fights without baseless power ups and having little to no weight to said power ups then I have to assume you've never watched DBZ or are just talking out of your ass.
Makes the stuff between him, Uvogin and Chrollo feel cheap. Those interactions/characters/arcs became 'ruined' no matter how the rest of the series continues. Also Togashi will just think of some other BS to explain away problem. This is the same guy who invented Alluka to specifically get rid of a problem.
It's like the time when Sasuke saw Itachi again and got blown the fuck up, but instead Sasuke easily kills him.
Yeah, but that still requires two people and a decent amount of prep. Here it's presumably as simple as
Ship Cammy to Meruem, she provokes him, he slaps her head off, Cammy revives, dead Ant King.
GG, EZ
Early full translations are out
obviously spoilers
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Musse: Second prince, I will restrain you for planning to assassinate the first prince. I have recorded this conversation. If you make one more step, I will shoot at you.
Camilla: I see. Shoot at me then.
Musse: Prince! Please stop. I don't want to shoot at you!!
(Damn it…Is she a counter type? The fact that she's using zetsu to hide her nen is the very proof that she's a nen user. She's lowering her defense power to 0 and increased her risk to the maximum level. So her aim is to multiply her counter attack power. Her nen beast who is thriving from her aura isn't showing itself either. This shows how confident she is in her powers. Alright!! I will take the bait. If I take her life then's the best result and if I find out about her power then it's the second best result!! Pardon me!!)
Musse shoots at Camilla 3 times. 2 of the bullets hit her around the chest area.
Private guards: It's closed!! Go around a different way.
Musse: (Is she…dead?! No…I can't underestimate her. I have to fulfill my condition first..!)
A shadow appears behind Musse's back after he touches Camilla. Once he looks back, he sees a Nen Monster that looks like a big black cat.
Cat: Sleep. Sleep. Sleep. Sleep right.
The cat extracts Musse's energy and transfers it to Camilla. Her wounds heal and she revives.
"One Million lives cat. A counter type Nen Beast. It activates after death and uses the attacker's life for resurrection."
Camilla: Good cat. Come back… (I don't need a Guardian Spirt Beast. Because I have her…A Nen after death!! That's why it's strong!! Resurrection ability!! That's why it's invincible!!)
Private guard: Camilla sama!! Blood…? What happened?
Camilla: I told you not to come. The first prince's private guard shot at me and he run away. I will now pursue him and execute him. Dispose and burn all of his belongings.
Private guard: Wait…! Please stop. If you follow him then you will fall for their trap! Please calm down…
Camilla: Well will you guys follow him instead? Are you willing to rebel against my older brother and then get your whole family killed?
Private guard: But…We can't just let you go by yourself. Ah Queen! Please convince the prince for us!!
Duazul: Please let her do what she wants to do. And you guys stay here.
Private guard: …
First Prince's privat guard: Prince!!! Please stop!
Furykov: If you come any closer than that, I will shoot at you.
Benjamin (wireless): It's Benjamin. Don't attack her. Let her pass.
Fury: But the prince is possessing a gun. It's too dangerous.
Benjamin: I don't care. Make sure you don't attack her.
Fury: Yes sir…!!
Camilla shoots at Furykov and co. Furykov guards himself with Nen but hurts his forehead. But the other guard dies.
Camilla: Wow seems like we're nen user friends! Well…I guess it's granted considering you're Benjamin's private guard. Good reaction. I aimed at the middle of your forehead. Seems like you want to say something. Why don't you shoot?
Fury: Kukukuku. I am…a lucky guy. Now I have one more thing I can look forward to…!
Camilla enters the room and confronts Benjamin.
Benjamin: So you want to honorably die alone…I will praise your guts. Although it's just the afternoon of the second day, your lack of patience is astonishing.
Camilla: Ha? I just followed the guy that tried to assassinate me. Hurry up and turn him over.
Benjamin: I have no intention to play along with your acting. Restrain her.
Cami shoots at Benjamin but he uses his nen to guard himself and is unharmed.
Cami: What happened? Why don't you shoot back!! You coward!!
Private guard: RESTRAIN HER! RESTRAIIINNNNN!!!
Fury: Stop. I will handle this.
Fury restrains her and breaks her left arm during that.
Fury: Oohhhhhh Second prince, don't rampage like this….You're forcing me to use excessive force….
Cami: ……… You and your whole family. I will kill all of who you in the most painful way you cannot even imagine.
Fury: Family huh…I don't have such a thing! My only parent is the first prince! A first class criminal!
Camilla gets thrown to the prison.
Balsamilco: She's like a moth flying into the flame…
Fury: But her Guardian Spirt Beast is still unknown, so a nen user must observe her. Should we ask the guys back that are with the other princes? Or let Babimyna take care of the 14th prince and I will remian here….
Balsa: Don't worry about it…Musse has fulfilled his mission. The "Bird" is already possessing the second prince.
A nen monster looking like an horned owl with antenna on its head is growing on Camilla's head.
Musse's ability is called "Secret Window". He controls 3 types of birds to obtain information. Once he touches his enemy, the spell gets activated and the horned owl can only be seen by the operator. The enemy's information gets transferred through a telepathy to the operator.
Currently, Benjamin is the one that receives the information.
Benjamin: (Vincent and Musee…I have received it…!!)
Benjamin: (I will succeed your will…!! I will be the one to unite Kakin with the world!!)
Benjamin's ability is called "The one who succeeds the Stars" (Benjamin Baton)
The ones who swore loyalty to him and die, will send their Nen ability to Benjamin. But the only ones who qualify are the ones who graduated from Kakin's military school and have worked for Benjamin as his private soldier.
In front of room 1012:
Royal army: No trespassing.
Hanzo: I know that but I only want to use the phone.
Royal army: I can't allow that. The residential area of the princes that dropped out get closed and it's also forbidden to contact them. During the ceremony, it's necessary to maintain this "No One is allowed to enter" policy for security reasons. Even the King isn't allowed to enter.
Hanzo: Blocked…!! So the only I can contact now is…
Kurapika: The 13th prince and the rest have vanished?
Hanzo: Yeah. Including the Queen and the security guards. Room 1013's phone doesn't work at all and the only one in that room is the 13th prince's Nen Beast. As long as the Prince's nen beast is fine, I want to hope they are safe but I can't contact them so it's only a hope. If the phone is really broken then the royal army should be able to fix it quickly right?
Kurapika: But that's not happening so it means it's someone's nen ability…
Hanzo: As a guard of the 7th prince, the only room I can access is 1014. Contacting the older prince's residential area from the younger prince's residential area can only be done by higher up Queens or their soldiers. Can we do it secretly instead of making this all an emergency?
Kurapika: The one who we can trust the most is the 9th prince's security gurads, but then that will be tomorrow.
Hanzo: If it's tomorrow then I will probably have returned to my real body.
Shimanu: Kurapika! The security captain of the 13th prince is contacting us!
Kurapika&Hanzo: !!
Hanzo returns to room 1013.
Hanzo: (As expected, no one is here!! Damn it…!! Where is the prince and the rest…and where is my real body?!)
Somewhere in a room, Marayam and Sevanti are playing with toys.
Welge: I'm Welge and the captain soldier of the 7th Queen. I have a question to ask you.
Camilla: I see. Shoot at me then.
Musse: Prince! Please stop. I don't want to shoot at you!!
(Damn it…Is she a counter type? The fact that she's using zetsu to hide her nen is the very proof that she's a nen user. She's lowering her defense power to 0 and increased her risk to the maximum level. So her aim is to multiply her counter attack power. Her nen beast who is thriving from her aura isn't showing itself either. This shows how confident she is in her powers. Alright!! I will take the bait. If I take her life then's the best result and if I find out about her power then it's the second best result!! Pardon me!!)
Musse shoots at Camilla 3 times. 2 of the bullets hit her around the chest area.
Private guards: It's closed!! Go around a different way.
Musse: (Is she…dead?! No…I can't underestimate her. I have to fulfill my condition first..!)
A shadow appears behind Musse's back after he touches Camilla. Once he looks back, he sees a Nen Monster that looks like a big black cat.
Cat: Sleep. Sleep. Sleep. Sleep right.
The cat extracts Musse's energy and transfers it to Camilla. Her wounds heal and she revives.
"One Million lives cat. A counter type Nen Beast. It activates after death and uses the attacker's life for resurrection."
Camilla: Good cat. Come back… (I don't need a Guardian Spirt Beast. Because I have her…A Nen after death!! That's why it's strong!! Resurrection ability!! That's why it's invincible!!)
Private guard: Camilla sama!! Blood…? What happened?
Camilla: I told you not to come. The first prince's private guard shot at me and he run away. I will now pursue him and execute him. Dispose and burn all of his belongings.
Private guard: Wait…! Please stop. If you follow him then you will fall for their trap! Please calm down…
Camilla: Well will you guys follow him instead? Are you willing to rebel against my older brother and then get your whole family killed?
Private guard: But…We can't just let you go by yourself. Ah Queen! Please convince the prince for us!!
Duazul: Please let her do what she wants to do. And you guys stay here.
Private guard: …
First Prince's privat guard: Prince!!! Please stop!
Furykov: If you come any closer than that, I will shoot at you.
Benjamin (wireless): It's Benjamin. Don't attack her. Let her pass.
Fury: But the prince is possessing a gun. It's too dangerous.
Benjamin: I don't care. Make sure you don't attack her.
Fury: Yes sir…!!
Camilla shoots at Furykov and co. Furykov guards himself with Nen but hurts his forehead. But the other guard dies.
Camilla: Wow seems like we're nen user friends! Well…I guess it's granted considering you're Benjamin's private guard. Good reaction. I aimed at the middle of your forehead. Seems like you want to say something. Why don't you shoot?
Fury: Kukukuku. I am…a lucky guy. Now I have one more thing I can look forward to…!
Camilla enters the room and confronts Benjamin.
Benjamin: So you want to honorably die alone…I will praise your guts. Although it's just the afternoon of the second day, your lack of patience is astonishing.
Camilla: Ha? I just followed the guy that tried to assassinate me. Hurry up and turn him over.
Benjamin: I have no intention to play along with your acting. Restrain her.
Cami shoots at Benjamin but he uses his nen to guard himself and is unharmed.
Cami: What happened? Why don't you shoot back!! You coward!!
Private guard: RESTRAIN HER! RESTRAIIINNNNN!!!
Fury: Stop. I will handle this.
Fury restrains her and breaks her left arm during that.
Fury: Oohhhhhh Second prince, don't rampage like this….You're forcing me to use excessive force….
Cami: ……… You and your whole family. I will kill all of who you in the most painful way you cannot even imagine.
Fury: Family huh…I don't have such a thing! My only parent is the first prince! A first class criminal!
Camilla gets thrown to the prison.
Balsamilco: She's like a moth flying into the flame…
Fury: But her Guardian Spirt Beast is still unknown, so a nen user must observe her. Should we ask the guys back that are with the other princes? Or let Babimyna take care of the 14th prince and I will remian here….
Balsa: Don't worry about it…Musse has fulfilled his mission. The "Bird" is already possessing the second prince.
A nen monster looking like an horned owl with antenna on its head is growing on Camilla's head.
Musse's ability is called "Secret Window". He controls 3 types of birds to obtain information. Once he touches his enemy, the spell gets activated and the horned owl can only be seen by the operator. The enemy's information gets transferred through a telepathy to the operator.
Currently, Benjamin is the one that receives the information.
Benjamin: (Vincent and Musee…I have received it…!!)
Benjamin: (I will succeed your will…!! I will be the one to unite Kakin with the world!!)
Benjamin's ability is called "The one who succeeds the Stars" (Benjamin Baton)
The ones who swore loyalty to him and die, will send their Nen ability to Benjamin. But the only ones who qualify are the ones who graduated from Kakin's military school and have worked for Benjamin as his private soldier.
In front of room 1012:
Royal army: No trespassing.
Hanzo: I know that but I only want to use the phone.
Royal army: I can't allow that. The residential area of the princes that dropped out get closed and it's also forbidden to contact them. During the ceremony, it's necessary to maintain this "No One is allowed to enter" policy for security reasons. Even the King isn't allowed to enter.
Hanzo: Blocked…!! So the only I can contact now is…
Kurapika: The 13th prince and the rest have vanished?
Hanzo: Yeah. Including the Queen and the security guards. Room 1013's phone doesn't work at all and the only one in that room is the 13th prince's Nen Beast. As long as the Prince's nen beast is fine, I want to hope they are safe but I can't contact them so it's only a hope. If the phone is really broken then the royal army should be able to fix it quickly right?
Kurapika: But that's not happening so it means it's someone's nen ability…
Hanzo: As a guard of the 7th prince, the only room I can access is 1014. Contacting the older prince's residential area from the younger prince's residential area can only be done by higher up Queens or their soldiers. Can we do it secretly instead of making this all an emergency?
Kurapika: The one who we can trust the most is the 9th prince's security gurads, but then that will be tomorrow.
Hanzo: If it's tomorrow then I will probably have returned to my real body.
Shimanu: Kurapika! The security captain of the 13th prince is contacting us!
Kurapika&Hanzo: !!
Hanzo returns to room 1013.
Hanzo: (As expected, no one is here!! Damn it…!! Where is the prince and the rest…and where is my real body?!)
Somewhere in a room, Marayam and Sevanti are playing with toys.
Welge: I'm Welge and the captain soldier of the 7th Queen. I have a question to ask you.
Neither of those were easy, though. The general rule of the series is that prep and strategy often trump raw power in a fight (Pika Vs. Uvo was used to really hammer that home). Uvogin was overconfident, went to fight against one of his worst 1-on-1 matchups by himself and didn't take Kurapika seriously until later in the battle. Kurapika, on the other hand, developed an ability specifically for the Spiders, made sure to fight Uvo 1-on-1 to have an advantage (Chain Jail doesn't seem like it works on multiple targets) and had full intel on Uvo's abilities through Hisoka, which allowed him to formulate a winning strategy.
With Chrollo, Kurapika had to come up with a convoluted plan and risk the lives of his friends just to separate him from the rest of the Troupe. He was only able to gain leverage with his abilities because Pakunoda didn't bring everyone along for the rendez-vous and would have been fucked if even two combat-oriented Spiders had showed up. Despite all that, it took less than a year for Chrollo to get his Nen back and for the Troupe to be back in business.
I really don't see the issue.
The conditions for my nen ability [ Ｈａｐｐｙ Ｐｏｓｔｉｎｇｓ ] involve ignoring Resetera user ******* so I can be able to post in a sane fashion.
Man. I really wish I didn't read the summary there of what C*****a is doing. I noped out straight after. Waiting for viz this week is going to be painful
Man. I really wish I didn't read the summary there of what C*****a is doing. I noped out straight after. Waiting for viz this week is going to be painful
Something he just wished for. Cheap.
He sure was lucky to have all these factors not matter. That certainly makes things tense and interesting.
Way to downplay all the thought that went into it. Dude just lost like six years of his life thanks to his ability and is stuck in a battle where if he uses his full power he will literally be killed instead of it working.
Were you nervous when Goku uses a technique that takes years off his life?. That is one of the most stupidest and pointless things in shounen. Kurapika looks like he's barely 20 so who cares if he loses six years of his life?. The series might end before he ages enough for it to actually matter. Not like they'd think of some kind of BS to get rid of any actual consequence anyway.
I don't care about Kurapika. Togashi has made it so that him, his fights and the Phantom Troupe all feel pointless and forgettable.
There's a distinct difference between "this will take some time off my life" and "this took an exact number of years off my life." You never get exact with this stuff unless it's going to come into play at some point.
Also, I guess it's agree to disagree here. Kurapika might have an amazing ability to use against the Spiders, but they're still able to beat him now that they know what he can do. Plus he's essentially the weakest player in the current arc given all he can use is the dolphin that kills him in real time and his normal chain.
So when it actually matters I'll start caring. Even if it took off 30 years I don't see how it matters now.
I mean... He's only a bit less talented than Gon and Killua and trained non-stop for 5 to 6 months with Izunavi in the woods before heading to Yorknew. The kids were already a threat to most Nen users, including Chimera Ants under RG level, with roughly 8 to 9 months of Nen training under their belts. And that's without having a very specific ability, prep time and a massive grudge fueling the whole thing. It's really not that hard to believe if you're okay with Gon and Killua's progress.
I personally find Kurapika's non-battle feats like becoming a Mafia Don in a little over a year and playing the whole Kakin royal family in the current arc more problematic, but then I remember that Leorio almost became Netero's successor by punching Ging and giving a speech.
In fairness everyone who has ever met Ging hates him, so it was a winning strategy on Leorio's part.
More like the winning strategy on Ging part, his whole plan to take the hit and use the hate that people have for him to push Leorio popularity up was genius.
I haven't seen the election arc for a bit. Ging is 100% self aware that people hate his guts? Holy fuck.
For the last fucking time Emperor Time doesn't age him visibly. It cuts down on his lifespan. It's like when you make the deal for the Shinigami Eyes in Death Note.
I sympathize with you.
Think I have to reread this arc from the start when it goes back on hiatus.
I know. Is that supposed to make it less dumb or pointless because it doesn't.
I'm not. I'm skim reading the chapters because the Succesion war is basically just filler and doesn't matter.
The Zodiacs didn't hide their dislike for Ging, also he was saying some cold stuff to Leorio about his dying son, he knew fully well how badly the people were going to react to that.
I need to reexperience that craziness again. It does have some pretty good moments in it. I guess it was part of Ging's Keikaku.
chapters out
Cat with a million lives is an interesting ability. It seems really powerful until you gain an understanding of how it works, at which point it's really really easy to beat as we see here, since it's activation conditions are entirely dependent on the enemy's actions and the user has no other real offensive capabilities. And I'm guessing it won't work if she dies from natural causes or starvation where there is no attacker, so as we see here the obvious solution is to capture her and starve her
That's a good question. I also wonder if it'd work against poison, if it has an effective range (could some emitter with a super long range nen attack take her out without it being able to activate). What about diseases? Would it matter if a disease was contracted naturally or if someone intentionally infected her? Another way to kill her is probably a suicide attack, since if the attacker dies at the same time the ability can't activate. Honestly it's a powerful ability, but it's also got some glaring flaws and weak points
Yea, it works great if she's directly attacked but it might not work at all if she's indirectly attacked. Then, as you point out, there's the question of range.
Just seeing it happen once is enough to create a ton of questions as to what it can deal with. For example, could you beat her to within an inch of her life and leave her to die? Would that trigger the ability?
There's also the question of what kind of damage it can bring her back from and exactly what level of enemy it's able to handle.
I can't imagine her ability would work against starvation since that would be characterized by not doing something (in this case giving her food) rather than an action, but poison or infecting her are more complicated issues (and if she was infected, would the bacteria/virus be able to count as a killer?). I think beating her within an inch of her life would probably activate it since the death was caused by wounds inflicted by an attacker, unless range actually does matter and the attacker can just get far enough away
I'm just thinking, would leaving her the ability to recover be enough to get out of it. The beating her to within an inch of her life example, you technically haven't killed her and have given her the ability to seek help and recover. Would it really be that different than capturing and starving her?
Perhaps her ability only triggers on instantaneous deaths.
I'd argue yes, because its still directly linked to attacks you inflicted that killed her. Starvation has nothing to do with being attacked, so it wouldn't activate it, because the cause of death can not be directly linked to anyone's actions
I love my weekly dose of Nen fuckery. Benjamin is fucking ripped though. One arming like a ton in weights.
Thinking about it, abilities like Knuckle's which can shut down an opponent's ability to use nen would also probably hard counter the cat
Wow what a chapter, didn't expect Camilla to be a nen user, and she crazy which makes sense because her ability relies on people attacking her first, she apearing out of her mind makes people more prone to attack her in self defense and thats a bad move. Major weakness is that if you know about it is avoidable, still very broken.
Benjamin is a tank like he already know and his hatsu is super interesting, right now he has at least 2 nen powers from his 2 dead bodygards.
And to finish it seems the kid and all of his retinue are invisible/untouchable or in some kind of separate pocket dimension.
Great chapter.
Yep Knuckle is the perfect counter, even his attacks don't do damage so there's not even the minimal chance of her dying.
Benjamin is a tank like he already know and his hatsu is super interesting, right now he has at least 2 nen powers from his 2 dead bodygards.
And to finish it seems the kid and all of his retinue are invisible/untouchable or in some kind of separate pocket dimension.
Great chapter.
Yep Knuckle is the perfect counter, even his attacks don't do damage so there's not even the minimal chance of her dying.
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