Analogue Super NT - orders and shipping(Now you're playing with SUPER POWER)

thepenguin55 · Feb 9, 2018

modoversus said:
How good is the D-Pad on the 8bitdo controllers? During the Giantbomb Super NT stream Jason said the D-Pad was better on the controller with the analog sticks. I think Jeremy Parrish said it was not as good as an original SNES controller. I already have a SNES Retro receiver. Are the controllers worth it?

So I've never used any of their controllers but I actually get the sense that their controllers have historically been pretty good but that these SNES-style controllers are not very good. On the GB stream Jeff was also having an issue where hitting L or R once would cause his character in Super Mario Kart to hop 3 times

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Hero_of_the_Day said:
Yep. I am sure it has actually been moving, and just not updating. I hope, at least. Really gonna be pissy if I paid $35 for shipping to have it sit at UPS for 3 days not moving.

I was annoyed because when I initially went to place my order the shipping came out to be $32 but then my cousin suggested that we should do both of our orders together in a single order so when I restarted the order changing the quantity from 1 to 2 my shipping jumped up to $38. Paying $19 for shipping is better than $38 but it could have been even cheaper if the price didn't arbitrarily jump up!

Hero_of_the_Day · Feb 9, 2018

thepenguin55 said:
Same here. Mine appears to be stuck in Vegas (I'm assuming yours is as well).

Yep. I am sure it has actually been moving, and just not updating. I hope, at least. Really gonna be pissy if I paid $35 for shipping to have it sit at UPS for 3 days not moving.

tommyv2 · Feb 9, 2018

modoversus said:
How good is the D-Pad on the 8bitdo controllers? During the Giantbomb Super NT stream Jason said the D-Pad was better on the controller with the analog sticks. I think Jeremy Parrish said it was not as good as an original SNES controller. I already have a SNES Retro receiver. Are the controllers worth it?

I've done extensive testing with my SN30 Retro controllers. Although there's even a variation between the two, I find them excellent. As for people constantly discussing "accidental diagonals" that happen when pressing the cardinal directions, this happens MUCH more easily on the real SNES/SFC controllers I've tested. I'm using the Windows Gamepad Calibration which shows you your input in real-time. I'm sure everone's mileage may vary, but it's the best third-party controller I've ever used. I have 6 different DualShock 4s and they're all of varying quality, so it can happen with any brand.

TheDeep1974 · Feb 9, 2018

Tried Unholy Night (ROM on Everdrive). Game worked fine on Retroarch but on SuperNT gives me a black screen with music playing in the background. I have no idea if the ROM is clean or if the game has Everdrive detection, or perhaps it had been patched/hacked to run on an emulator. Not really bothered, but tested to see if it works as something told me it wouldn't :P

lunch_box · Feb 9, 2018

Anyone know where I can the matching controllers for these in the uk??

The ones on amazon seem to be for the classic mini!?

Any ideas?

Thanks

modoversus · Feb 9, 2018

thomasjast said:
I've done extensive testing with my SN30 Retro controllers. Although there's even a variation between the two, I find them excellent. As for people constantly discussing "accidental diagonals" that happen when pressing the cardinal directions, this happens MUCH more easily on the real SNES/SFC controllers I've tested. I'm using the Windows Gamepad Calibration which shows you your input in real-time. I'm sure everone's mileage may vary, but it's the best third-party controller I've ever used. I have 6 different DualShock 4s and they're all of varying quality, so it can happen with any brand.

Good to hear, thank you for the information!

Cien · Feb 9, 2018

henlo_birb said:
So mine shipped the 7th. Expected by the end of day on the 13th. $40, 3lbs 2oz, and I'm in the US.

A USPS flat-rate box would have been both faster and less than half the cost.

All will be forgiven and forgotten upon the release of 8-Bit and ROM loading support.

I believe.

Yea, im not terribly happy about the pricey shipping to wait effectively a week for the unit to arrive. It is what it is at this point though.

tommyv2 · Feb 9, 2018

lunch_box said:
Anyone know where I can the matching controllers for these in the uk??

The ones on amazon seem to be for the classic mini!?

Any ideas?

Thanks

There's a link from the Analogue website that takes you to the Amazon.com link. It might be US-only. I'm in Canada and had to get them imported.

TheDeep1974 · Feb 9, 2018

Tempy said:
Mine Super NT arrived today (NL). Surprised I didn't get hit with customs. Unless DHL is going to charge me later.

Same here!

modoversus · Feb 9, 2018

thepenguin55 said:
So I've never used any of their controllers but I actually get the sense that their controllers have historically been pretty good but that these SNES-style controllers are not very good. On the GB stream Jeff was also having an issue where hitting L or R once would cause his character in Super Mario Kart to hop 3 times

I skipped the part where they play Mario Kart. I'll check it later to see this. Thanks!

DOTDASHDOT · Feb 9, 2018

Dark1x Do you think you could do some best settings In your review? Like CRT comparable, height/width settings, Scanline etc for 720p, and 1080p ones?

kyle mechlachlan · Feb 9, 2018

My order page just updated saying that my order could not be delivered and shows it was out for delivery. Even though the actual tracking on UPS is showing it's still in transit for delivery next Wednesday

TheDeep1974 · Feb 9, 2018

I think 720p scanlines look nicer even on a 1080p panel.

Deleted member 563 · Feb 9, 2018

Fistfulofmetal said:
My order page just updated saying that my order could not be delivered and shows it was out for delivery. Even though the actual tracking on UPS is showing it's still in transit for delivery next Wednesday

Haha, wow. What the heck is going on.

Actually, I checked my status page after reading your post, and it still says "Order Confirmed." Lol...

Jockel · Feb 9, 2018

Dark1x said:
Any requests for testing? For this Sunday's video, I'm going to draw a comparison between real hardware, the Super Nt, Higan and the SNES Mini (using stock emulator). I have a bunch of tests ready but figured I'd see if anyone wanted to see something specific!

I'd like to know if the Dolby Pro Logic surround sound works. Tales of Phantasia or Seiken Densetsu 3 (Stereo > Wide mode) come to mind.

F34R · Feb 9, 2018

This is what mine looks like so far:

Next Scheduled Event: Monday,02/12/2018 by 5:00 P.M.

LOCATION DATE LOCAL TIME ACTIVITY
Las Vegas, NV, United States 02/07/2018 11:19 P.M. Departure Scan
02/07/2018 7:00 P.M. Origin Scan
United States 02/06/2018 4:04 P.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS

tommyv2 · Feb 9, 2018

Fistfulofmetal said:
My order page just updated saying that my order could not be delivered and shows it was out for delivery. Even though the actual tracking on UPS is showing it's still in transit for delivery next Wednesday

Same here. Called UPS and they say it's all good. I'm in Canada.

kyle mechlachlan · Feb 9, 2018

I'm not too worried about it since the actual tracking is fine. I assume their order page is just acting funky considering how long it took to update in the first place. Unfortunate that they're having these issues on their big break-out product release.

TheWooniestWoona · Feb 9, 2018

thomasjast said:
I've done extensive testing with my SN30 Retro controllers. Although there's even a variation between the two, I find them excellent. As for people constantly discussing "accidental diagonals" that happen when pressing the cardinal directions, this happens MUCH more easily on the real SNES/SFC controllers I've tested. I'm using the Windows Gamepad Calibration which shows you your input in real-time. I'm sure everone's mileage may vary, but it's the best third-party controller I've ever used. I have 6 different DualShock 4s and they're all of varying quality, so it can happen with any brand.

I disagree on the accidental diagonal presses. The 8Bitdo controller is far worse in that regards, to the point of being frustrating. I don't have that issue on my original SNES controllers, or on the 4 SNES mini controllers I've used. Last night I was playing Joe and Mac, and with the 8Bitdo controllers navigating around the map was frustrating because a diagonal press would make the character stop. I ended up switching back to my real controller and didn't have any issues.

JamesQuall · Feb 9, 2018

My order says couldn't be delivered on the Analogue order status page, but UPS has it out for delivery. Just got emails from both places doubling down on those statuses. Real strange, but I expect it'll be here shortly.

tommyv2 · Feb 9, 2018

MattWhite924 said:
I disagree on the accidental diagonal presses. The 8Bitdo controller is far worse in that regards, to the point of being frustrating. I don't have that issue on my original SNES controllers, or on the 4 SNES mini controllers I've used. Last night I was playing Joe and Mac, and with the 8Bitdo controllers navigating around the map was frustrating because a diagonal press would make the character stop. I ended up switching back to my real controller and didn't have any issues.

So you're saying that on a real SNES controller, if you hold the tip of a cardinal direction, by wiggling it, you get no other inputs at all? Ever? I've tested an 2x SNS-105, SNS-102 and a Japanese SFC controller and they are all sensitive to diagonal inputs on cardinal directions. Are you really supposed to push the ends of two directions to register a diagonal? Is that what people are expecting? Honest question; I'm not trying to antagonize.

TheWooniestWoona · Feb 9, 2018

thomasjast said:
So you're saying that on a real SNES controller, if you hold the tip of a cardinal direction, by wiggling it, you get no other inputs at all? Ever? I've tested an 2x SNS-105, SNS-102 and a Japanese SFC controller and they are all sensitive to diagonal inputs on cardinal directions. Are you really supposed to push the ends of two directions to register a diagonal? Is that what people are expecting? Honest question; I'm not trying to antagonize.

I'm saying that on real SNES controllers I almost never get an unintentional diagonal press. If I purposefully wiggle the d-pad while pressing up or down then I can get one, but I never have it happen while I'm just trying to press straight up or down. On the 8Bitdo one I have to be very careful when pushing up or down, because if I'm not then I end up pushing diagonal almost every time. It's been very annoying, and games like Doom are very hard to play on it. Something like walking up the stairs in the first level become frustrating because it's hard to walk straight without turning.

thepenguin55 · Feb 9, 2018

modoversus said:
I skipped the part where they play Mario Kart. I'll check it later to see this. Thanks!

So the weird thing is that Jeff said the L and R issue only happened while playing Super Mario Kart so it could be some Super NT compatibility issue with that game? Or maybe the controller just started acting up then? Not sure. Also as someone who loves GB that stream was actually kind of annoying as it was basically just them complaining about cartridges and complaining about the features it doesn't have and shit like that.

Hero_of_the_Day · Feb 9, 2018

thepenguin55 said:
So the weird thing is that Jeff said the L and R issue only happened while playing Super Mario Kart so it could be some Super NT compatibility issue with that game? Or maybe the controller just started acting up then? Not sure. Also as someone who loves GB that stream was actually kind of annoying as it was basically just them complaining about cartridges and complaining about the features it doesn't have and shit like that.

The complaining about save states was weird, like they seemed to not fully get what this device was supposed to be.

The cartridge problems they were having seemed a little odd to me, though. I had a massive SNES collection up until a couple of years ago. I never had as many issues playing on real hardware as they did on that stream. I did always clean anything new I got with alcohol, but they were doing that as well and having issues still. Hopefully they just had some really dirty shit and that isn't a bad sign of things to come.

beelulzebub · Feb 9, 2018

MattWhite924 said:
I disagree on the accidental diagonal presses. The 8Bitdo controller is far worse in that regards, to the point of being frustrating. I don't have that issue on my original SNES controllers, or on the 4 SNES mini controllers I've used. Last night I was playing Joe and Mac, and with the 8Bitdo controllers navigating around the map was frustrating because a diagonal press would make the character stop. I ended up switching back to my real controller and didn't have any issues.

Agreed. Don't have any real SNES controllers on hand, but I do have the ones that came with my SNES Classic and had no issue with sensitive diagonals with those.

My 8bitdo controllers arrived before my Super NT, so I tested them out with Celeste, and the highly sensitive diagonals made that game unplayable. I switched to the Pokken controller and that D-pad is infinitely better. I'm in the process of returning my 8bitdo controllers. Absolute terrible controllers.

Hero_of_the_Day · Feb 9, 2018

beelulzebub said:
Agreed. Don't have any real SNES controllers on hand, but I do have the ones that came with my SNES Classic and had no issue with sensitive diagonals with those.

My 8bitdo controllers arrived before my Super NT, so I tested them out with Celeste, and the highly sensitive diagonals made that game unplayable. I switched to the Pokken controller and that D-pad is infinitely better. I'm in the process of returning my 8bitdo controllers. Absolute terrible controllers.

Sucks to hear some people not liking them so much. I have a ton of real SNES controllers, so I will definitely be returning these 8bitdo controllers to Amazon if I feel as bad. $80 for two shitty controllers is too much.

GreenMonkey · Feb 9, 2018

MattWhite924 said:
I'm saying that on real SNES controllers I almost never get an unintentional diagonal press. If I purposefully wiggle the d-pad while pressing up or down then I can get one, but I never have it happen while I'm just trying to press straight up or down. On the 8Bitdo one I have to be very careful when pushing up or down, because if I'm not then I end up pushing diagonal almost every time. It's been very annoying, and games like Doom are very hard to play on it. Something like walking up the stairs in the first level become frustrating because it's hard to walk straight without turning.

This, posted about this earlier in the week.

My NES30 is a bit worse than my new SN30... but the above is what happens.

Most noticeable for games that require straight down or up presses. Contra is a huge one, because, for example, down is DUCK to avoid fire (stop moving) and down forward results in you walking forward (for shooting downward).

It's not bad for a lot of games - but if you switch to an OEM one you can notice the difference. And games that need diagonals more are much more noticeable.

See post 70 here showing how the PCB underneath is very different from the SNES one (older SNES30 PCB). 8bitdo had a long, long thread about this on their forums before they took the forums down, so it's not like they didn't know about it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/8bitdo-sf30-sn30-pro-controller.1742/page-2

The older 8bitdos are supposed to be improved with this tape mod:
https://i.imgur.com/Vs5xn20.jpg

Same problem / fix with the Switch pro controller:
https://www.reddit.com/r/8bitdo/comments/7jfiva/sn30_sf30_pro_disassembled/

See also this tape mod which someone reported helped on his new SN30:

https://www.reddit.com/r/8bitdo/com..._dpad_is_no_better_than_official_pro/dri1o25/

Darknight · Feb 9, 2018

Fularu said:
As a Canadian having had to deal with UPS and their subpar services, I thoroughly disagree.
Knowing my unit was shipped with UPS made me prety unhappy since the last time they delivered something they put it in the god damned recycling bin and just left a note in the mailbox "on garbage day"!

Guess what happened

Your shitty driver isn't indicative of the service as a whole. Every delivery service has bad delivery people. Regardless, you were commenting on it being UPS's fault for it costing $40 to take a week to deliver in the US where as it's only 2 days for the same price outside. The speed and price has nothing to do with UPS; that's Analogue's fault for shipping it in the middle of the week and shipping it UPS ground for domestic delivery where as they shipped it via air for international.

thepenguin55 · Feb 9, 2018

Hero_of_the_Day said:
The complaining about save states was weird, like they seemed to not fully get what this device was supposed to be.

The cartridge problems they were having seemed a little odd to me, though. I had a massive SNES collection up until a couple of years ago. I never had as many issues playing on real hardware as they did on that stream. I did always clean anything new I got with alcohol, but they were doing that as well and having issues still. Hopefully they just had some really dirty shit and that isn't a bad sign of things to come.

So I have the Analogue NT and NT Mini and they're both super sensitive to dirt. Having said that something that always drives me nuts about GB's retro game streams where they're using actual hardware is that every single time they seem to be stunned by how dirty their games are. At this point you would think they would just assume their games are dirty and clean them ahead of time. That way they're not spending half of the stream cleaning carts. I mean, they were even joking about just how much dirt they were getting off of their carts as they were cleaning them.

So, in recent years I've actually used degreasers on games that needed to be cleaned so at this point for most of my collection the most I'll need to do is blow on the cart and I'm good to go. I saw a degreaser suggested once as a cart cleaner somewhere and have found any information since then so maybe I'm actually doing irreparable damage to my carts but its worked well for me thus far...

Fularu · Feb 9, 2018

Darknight said:
Your shitty driver isn't indicative of the service as a whole. Every delivery service has bad delivery people. Regardless, you were commenting on it being UPS's fault for it costing $40 to take a week to deliver in the US where as it's only 2 days for the same price outside. The speed and price has nothing to do with UPS; that's Analogue's fault for shipping it in the middle of the week and shipping it UPS ground for domestic delivery where as they shipped it via air for international.

I never commented on the price, just on the delivery window.

Mikespit1200 · Feb 9, 2018

Has there been any talk of a jailbroken firmware similar to the NT mini? I've been holding off on getting a Super NT for this reason. If such a firmware were released, which 8/16-bit cores would it support? Which cores are ready to go?

Darknight · Feb 9, 2018

Fularu said:
I never commented on the price, just on the delivery window.

The price was in the quote you were replying to. The delivery window is dependent on how they shipped it. Like I said, they shipped it ground from the west coast so it takes 4 to 5 business days to make it to the east coast. It's going on a truck cross country; that's ground delivery service. That's the method Analogue picked. That's their fault. You can't complain it's not arriving until next week when Analogue shipped it ground, Analogue shipped it in the middle of the week so that anyone on the east coast would get hit with the weekend delay which doesn't count as part of those 4 or 5 days, and Analogue shipped everyone else air delivery which is faster. That's all on Analogue and not UPS's fault.

Bgamer90 · Feb 9, 2018

Fistfulofmetal said:
My order page just updated saying that my order could not be delivered and shows it was out for delivery. Even though the actual tracking on UPS is showing it's still in transit for delivery next Wednesday

This is exactly what happened to me. Mines is set for Tuesday though. So strange.

Fularu · Feb 9, 2018

Darknight said:
The price was in the quote you were replying to. The delivery window is dependent on how they shipped it. Like I said, they shipped it ground from the west coast so it takes 4 to 5 business days to make it to the east coast. It's going on a truck cross country; that's ground delivery service. That's the method Analogue picked. That's their fault. You can't complain it's not arriving until next week when Analogue shipped it ground, Analogue shipped it in the middle of the week so that anyone on the east coast would get hit with the weekend delay which doesn't count as part of those 4 or 5 days, and Analogue shipped everyone else air delivery which is faster. That's all on Analogue and not UPS's fault.

Are you done telling me what I can or can't do regarding my stance through years of dealings with UPS in Canada?

querulous · Feb 9, 2018

Mikespit1200 said:
Has there been any talk of a jailbroken firmware similar to the NT mini? I've been holding off on getting a Super NT for this reason. If such a firmware were released, which 8/16-bit cores would it support? Which cores are ready to go?

Its highly rumored but there are no official announcements. As far as anyone knows there are no additional 16 bit cores outside of the SNES ready to go, so if it happens it would only contain whats currently available for the NT Mini + Snes.

thepenguin55 · Feb 9, 2018

Mikespit1200 said:
Has there been any talk of a jailbroken firmware similar to the NT mini? I've been holding off on getting a Super NT for this reason. If such a firmware were released, which 8/16-bit cores would it support? Which cores are ready to go?

No and the probability of that stuff happening is all kind of iffy now that kevtris is an Analogue employee (his work on the previous systems was contract work and then he put out all the jail breaking stuff afterwards). Even if it does happen I doubt that he would put out any new cores. I think he would just make all of the cores he made for the NT mini compatible for the Super NT.

FLEABttn · Feb 9, 2018

Dukes said:
I placed an order shortly after pre-orders went live but I've yet to receive any shipping information. In the US FWIW.

Same, shipping status shows as "We've accepted your order, and we're getting it ready". People in Europe already have theirs and mine hasn't even made it to UPS.

kyle mechlachlan · Feb 9, 2018

Bgamer90 said:
This is exactly what happened to me. Mines is set for Tuesday though. So strange.

I just got ANOTHER email saying my shipping status was updated, check the status... same thing. lol their system is crumbling.

Fuzzy · Feb 9, 2018

If Analogue plans to still make money on 8-bit consoles (whether with the Nt mini or something new) then I don't expect anything more than kevtris releasing ROM loading for SNES games on the Super Nt. Why would they want an employee releasing the previous cores on the Super Nt if they can still make money from them?

Darknight · Feb 9, 2018

Fularu said:
Are you done telling me what I can or can't do regarding my stance through years of dealings with UPS in Canada?

You can hate UPS all you want but that doesn't mean you're not wrong about who is at fault here about the delivery times.

Fularu · Feb 9, 2018

Fistfulofmetal said:
I just got ANOTHER email saying my shipping status was updated, check the status... same thing. lol their system is crumbling.

There's a disconnet between their tracking and the one UPS provides. The order states that UPS couldn't deliver it while UPS says it's still in California. I guess they have issues using the API for tracking?

Dark1x · Feb 9, 2018

I did the Speedy Gonzales test! Whew, that took some time as the game is super cheap (blind jumps and attacks out of nowhere are the norm).

thepenguin55 · Feb 9, 2018

Fistfulofmetal said:
I just got ANOTHER email saying my shipping status was updated, check the status... same thing. lol their system is crumbling.

Same thing just happened to me. It's super weird.

Fuzzy said:
If Analogue plans to still make money on 8-bit consoles (whether with the Nt mini or something new) then I don't expect anything more than kevtris releasing ROM loading for SNES games on the Super Nt. Why would they want an employee releasing the previous cores on the Super Nt if they can still make money from them?

Honestly, I think that's only true if an NES core is made available for the Super NT. If a NES core isn't made available for the Super NT then I think there would still be an audience for a cheaper plastic NT mini with only two controller ports. It would be an admittedly smaller audience but I think there would still be one.

EDIT: Having said that, the more I think about it I think a cheaper NT mini will never happen due to them already having done multiple waves of each version of the Analogue NT and the double whammy of the NES Classic and AVS existing.

Polyh3dron · Feb 9, 2018

The Deep said:
I think 720p scanlines look nicer even on a 1080p panel.

5x screen size with scanlines at 1080p is my jam.

stumblebee · Feb 9, 2018

Wonder how hackable this thing is going to be. Watching the Giant Bomb stream and this thing looks dope. Hope I can eventually run games off of an SD card or hack in savestates or something.

malrock · Feb 9, 2018

Darknight said:
Your shitty driver isn't indicative of the service as a whole. Every delivery service has bad delivery people. Regardless, you were commenting on it being UPS's fault for it costing $40 to take a week to deliver in the US where as it's only 2 days for the same price outside. The speed and price has nothing to do with UPS; that's Analogue's fault for shipping it in the middle of the week and shipping it UPS ground for domestic delivery where as they shipped it via air for international.

Wait, in what world is $40 for UPS ground shipping for something that weighs just a smidge over 3 pounds normal?

Darknight · Feb 9, 2018

malrock said:
Wait, in what world is $40 for UPS ground shipping for something that weighs just a smidge over 3 pounds normal?

It's not which is why I don't think people should be blaming UPS for those shipping prices. That's on Analogue. Even worse is the shipping rates are going up at Analogue for newer shipments compared to before.

SoH · Feb 9, 2018

stumblebee said:
Wonder how hackable this thing is going to be. Watching the Giant Bomb stream and this thing looks dope. Hope I can eventually run games off of an SD card or hack in savestates or something.

Reasonable possibilities, there is nothing technically preventing this to my knowledge, but obviously no guarantees.
-Basic rom loading (not supporting every expansion chip)
-Cart dumping
-8-bit cores + rom loading

Extremely unlikely
-Rom loading for expansion chips such as Super FX games
-Genesis, TG16, etc.. cores
-Save states -- I am going to put this in this category, not because it is impossible, but this is much more difficult to do in FPGA and likely to be error prone.

Hexadron · Feb 9, 2018

I hope Analogue does a cheaper plastic cased revision of the NT Mini in the near future. It seems they are pro cartridge so I'm thinking it's more likely for a revised product versus cores.

Nihilistic Monk · Feb 9, 2018

Fistfulofmetal said:
I just got ANOTHER email saying my shipping status was updated, check the status... same thing. lol their system is crumbling.

Glad this isn't only me. I have had 3 "update" mails in the last 2 hours. analogue site now says DHL was unable to deliver. DHL site says it's on track for Monday.

I think I will believe DHL over Analogue TBH...

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