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Ultra

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It's especially common among the One Piece fanbase, but that's just my experience. I guess because it's One Piece and bigger than anything else that you'll see it more too.

But yeah, a lot is actually happening right now
 
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Kirblar

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This is walloftext: the arc, so I can understand the annoyances with the latest chapters. Massive amounts of setup, but unlike w/ the Chimera Ant Arc, where you were seeing it setup, it's straight exposition here.
 

Voltt

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Bit of a random question, but when was the first time that an ant was clearly shown to be good? Was it Meleoron becoming friends with Gon? Or did Colt end up reforming first? Or some other time? My memory of the arc is a little hazy.
 

Lotus

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Sadly, more and more people are being put off because it's so "info dump" or "nothing's happening" - like nothing was really happening in the beginning of Chimera Ant arc either, was a good number of episodes/chapters until that first major story beat.

I'm put off because of the hiatuses. :P

Although yes, I'm not super into this arc so far.

It's especially common among the One Piece fanbase, but that's just my experience. I guess because it's One Piece and bigger than anything else that you'll see it more too.

Really? If anything I feel like people would complain more if a chapter just focused on a fight. The current arc has made it very clear that you don't need to have a straightforward fight to be useful.

HxH is not Naruto and people should stop reading it as if it was.

I feel like Bleach is the better example to use here ;D
 

B-Dubs

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Really? If anything I feel like people would complain more if a chapter just focused on a fight. The current arc has made it very clear that you don't need to have a straightforward fight to be useful.
You don't see it as much here, but there are people who do think characters are useless or have no agency if they don't get a fight each arc.
 

Lotus

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You don't see it as much here, but there are people who do think characters are useless or have no agency if they don't get a fight each arc.

Oh, I wasn't talking about here. But regardless, I'm dumb, I forgot a good amount of people are doing exactly that when it comes to Sanji...
 

John Omaha

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Bit of a random question, but when was the first time that an ant was clearly shown to be good? Was it Meleoron becoming friends with Gon? Or did Colt end up reforming first? Or some other time? My memory of the arc is a little hazy.
Colt after the Queen died, though he had a some morally good moments before that.
 
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Oh, I wasn't talking about here. But regardless, I'm dumb, I forgot a good amount of people are doing exactly that when it comes to Sanji...
I honestly thank god most of the haters stay out of here.
Colt after the Queen died, though he had a some morally good moments before that.
Colt is made out of a little boy so him actually not being a fucked up lunatic makes sense. Seems like most of the psycho ants were from adults, though Meleoron is a good exception. He's just too chill for the killing and he had a damn good reason to nope out of it. Also now I'm wondering if the more intelligent human food ended up being more progressive. Sometimes I seems like the Queen straight up ate Arkham Asylum.
 

Moara

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Sadly, more and more people are being put off because it's so "info dump" or "nothing's happening" - like nothing was really happening in the beginning of Chimera Ant arc either, was a good number of episodes/chapters until that first major story beat.

I think this has to do with this being a lot of people's first experience with Hiatus x Hiatus lol. Just like the CA arc, people will appreciate this one when they can read most or all of it in bulk imo.

Bit of a random question, but when was the first time that an ant was clearly shown to be good? Was it Meleoron becoming friends with Gon? Or did Colt end up reforming first? Or some other time? My memory of the arc is a little hazy.

Definitely Colt when he was remembering his human memories early on and when he came to humans for help after the queen died.
 

Ultra

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Kurapika's powers are so much more versatile than Gon, Killua and Leorio's. Not just a strong fighter, but extremely strong information and detective work too.


NOBODY deserved the death Pokkle got.

Even Ponzu. Who's gonna be the Pokkle and Ponzu this time around, and nobody better dare say Hanzo.
 
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"Welfin instantly appeared to age 100 years." Well fuck. Welfin was like "Legit Shook" times 100. Fucking Welfin said Komugi's name as if his life depended on it...because it did. That was actually some chilling and creepy line delivery.
 

Ultra

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If the anime ever continues under Madhouse, I hope they get the rights to "Reason" - and it plays when Kurapika inevitably completes his goal with help from Leorio
 

John Omaha

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Colt is made out of a little boy so him actually not being a fucked up lunatic makes sense. Seems like most of the psycho ants were from adults, though Meleoron is a good exception. He's just too chill for the killing and he had a damn good reason to nope out of it. Also now I'm wondering if the more intelligent human food ended up being more progressive. Sometimes I seems like the Queen straight up ate Arkham Asylum.
Good point. You'd think that the biggest assholes would be born after Gyro's base got raided, but that's not the case at all (Gyro himself notwithstanding). The older ants were made from animals and supposedly docile villagers, yet they have a much more sadistic streak.
 
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Good point. You'd think that the biggest assholes would be born after Gyro's base got raided, but that's not the case at all (Gyro himself notwithstanding). The older ants were made from animals and supposedly docile villagers, yet they have a much more sadistic streak.
Yeah I think Ikalgo was part of Gyro's base or something since he was actually friends with Welfin. Peggy is an early ant, he's good so I don't exactly think that timeline adds up either. Maybe with the mix of animal and human instincts some of it just resulted in such a bad mix that the animal instincts just awakened a ton of latent aggression and sadism in some of the ants. I'm also still trying to figure out why the Royal Guard were a lot more varied with how they acted. Maybe the Queen just wanted them to be more intelligent or something...then again they had the most experience with actual people so who knows.
 
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Shit. Kasuga was going to die whether she fulfilled any of Alluka's requests or not. Alluka asked for her liver, Duodenum, spine and brain.
 
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All Leorio had to do was do a teleporting uppercut on Ging to get some support lol. "Did he say, he wanted me to see him?" Yeah like Ging isn't fully aware that the kid is half dead and can't talk. Fucking asshole.
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I'm on 141 and in that scene you can see a toy version of all the characters Hisoka wants to fight, good amount of the Zodiac is in it and even Bisky. The PT is of course there and even oddly enough Satotes. I'm surprised by the inclusions of Hanzo and Zeno, yet no Silva.
 
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Ultra

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Yeah, Ging can be a bit of an ass.

I'm assuming his characterisation will open up though. Hopefully.
 

HStallion

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Yeah, Ging can be a bit of an ass.

I'm assuming his characterisation will open up though. Hopefully.

His character seems to be a dude with serious issues about being intimate and open with people. I'd almost argue that the facade he puts up of being an aloof asshole is in part because he doesn't like getting close to people. Not even how he treats Gon but even his friends like Kite and the rest he puts them through all kinds of insane hassles.
 
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His character seems to be a dude with serious issues about being intimate and open with people. I'd almost argue that the facade he puts up of being an aloof asshole is in part because he doesn't like getting close to people. Not even how he treats Gon but even his friends like Kite and the rest he puts them through all kinds of insane hassles.
"I know you want to see me, but if you come after me I won't see you." Didn't he even treat Mitou like shit when they were kids?
 

Ultra

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The more recent chapters with Conjuration stuff being seen by non Nen users made me think of something: could Killua conjure actual lightning and use to charge himself?
 

B-Dubs

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The more recent chapters with Conjuration stuff being seen by non Nen users made me think of something: could Killua conjure actual lightning and use to charge himself?
I think he can only turn his Nen into lightning, which requires him to have some kind of charge.
 

edo_kid

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The more recent chapters with Conjuration stuff being seen by non Nen users made me think of something: could Killua conjure actual lightning and use to charge himself?

What do you mean? He would be doing the same think he's already doing, turning his nen into electricity.

Do you mean something like a conjuring a backup battery?

Can non Nen users see people riding Tsubone?

Sure, is seems to be some kind of Conjuration hatsu.
 
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Euphony

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The more recent chapters with Conjuration stuff being seen by non Nen users made me think of something: could Killua conjure actual lightning and use to charge himself?
I don't think it works that way. Like edo_kid said, Killua is using his own Nen aura and transmuting it to give it electrical properties. He could theoretically conjure or emit some of his electrified Nen and then use that to charge himself back up, but it wouldn't be a net positive effect. It might even cause him to expend more of his Nen than gained because he's not a natural conjurer or emitter.
 

edo_kid

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How is transforming yourself into a Green Goblin Glider and conjuration ability?

It uses nen from the driver to fuel the vehicles, and so far all the symbiotic type techniques have been done by conjurers, Golem did something similar.
Also there was a bodyguard that Bill said was a conjurer and could transform into a boat, i guess it's similar.

I don't think it works that way. Like edo_kid said, Killua is using his own Nen aura and transmuting it to give it electrical properties. He could theoretically conjure or emit some of his electrified Nen and then use that to charge himself back up, but it wouldn't be a net positive effect. It might even cause him to expend more of his Nen than gained because he's not a natural conjurer or emitter.

Exactly, the other way i though about was a conjuring a backup battery before a battle but that still would require nen to maintain so probably wouldn't be worth it.

Makes more sense for Killua to just use his time to get better at transmutation his nen, and increase his electric capacity that way.
 
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HStallion

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It uses nen from the driver to fuel the vehicles, and so far all the symbiotic type techniques have been done by conjurers, Golem did something similar.
Also there was a bodyguard that Bill said was a conjurer and could transform into a boat, i guess it's similar.

So they have a perverted ape man on the team?
 

Ultra

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He's currently mimicking the effects of electricity after being charged in a secluded spot via electricity mains or other devices. What I'm suggesting is for him is expand his options and in this case it's conjuring electricity mid-battle/conflict which theoretically should be possible. Not to use as attacks, but to recharge himself even if just to half-capacity. When he runs out of charge he has the option to conjure real lightning to charge himself back up instead of always escaping and finding an alternative method to charge up. Sure, this would come with an aura-price but most things come with an aura-price. He's also got a very high affinity for Conjuration, and the aura price will ultimately allow him to keep using his more powerful abilities, even if just for a short-while, in a life of death situation it could make the difference. The point is that he may not always be in a situation to escape and recharge, he won't always have a Melereon to bail him out. Perhaps he desperately needs the speed of Kanmuru, so he exerts some aura to conjure a way to charge himself to extend his use of that speed, even if it's just a small amount, it's enough to escape.

One could say: well why not just carry a taser or battery pack so there's no aura cost. My reply to this is that a physical object like that can be taken from him, as could a conjured taser and then he's fucked. He could remove the conjured taser, but then he has to conjure it again, wasting even more aura. Furthermore, who knows how long it'd take for him to recharge in that situation. It was implied that Killua was there for a bit in the palace charging from the electricity mains. Could of took a few minutes, something he won't have the luxury of mid-fight. However, if he conjures actual lightning, it can't really be taken, it's extremely fast and he'd be recharged almost instantly - because it's lightning.

This all assumes when he comes back he doesn't need to charge up anymore, which is probably what's going to happen. Hisoka doesn't need to chew gum or charge up in some way for his powers. He's still new to this, charging up is probably how it got so strong so quickly but theoretically he should be able to do Godspeed, Thunderbolt without charging up, it's not like he can't use electricity at all without charging up, he can, it's just not very strong.
 

AoM

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Just read chapter 357...

tfw your favorite character gets strung up like a bloody puppet.

Fuck.
 

AoM

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Like, Shalnark's death at the hands of Hisoka makes complete sense there, but... fuck, man.

Damn you, Togashi. Gonna take a short hiatus of my own out of spite.