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What Apple Products do You have?

  • Mac

    Votes: 394 64.0%
  • iPad

    Votes: 446 72.4%
  • iPhone

    Votes: 535 86.9%
  • Watch

    Votes: 368 59.7%
  • Airpods

    Votes: 405 65.7%
  • AppleTV

    Votes: 308 50.0%
  • None: The Dark World

    Votes: 25 4.1%

  • Total voters
    616

Guppeth

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'd fully agree with you on the tips. I just prefer the seal silicon or even foam offer. My dream wireless earphones would be a Beats X tip with all the creature comforts of the AirPods' total wireless solution and the charging case. I'd hope Apple through their own label or Beats will produce a set like that in the years ahead.
I bought tips for my AirPods, but having to remove them when I use the case makes them inconvenient. I still like my AirPods, but I'd love them if they fit my giant ears.

The AirPods, like the original iPhone, should be a kick in the arse for other manufacturers. I'd sacrifice the Apple-only features like auto pairing and pausing if I could have tips that fit my ears and the charging case.
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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Still really wishing you could connect HomePods to a TV/PS4 and use it like soundbar. Would have been an insta-buy for that, sadly without it I can't justify the purchase.

congrats to everyone else who is getting & enjoying them though.
 

Teggy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well UPS came and delivered something across the street and I got nothing so I don't know what's going on.

Edit: and just as a wrote that a second truck came. To the unboxing!
 

Teggy

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Oct 25, 2017
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So it's interesting, if your phone is next to the HomePod and you say Hey Siri they both perk up but the HomePod takes over. I'll need to read up on exactly how that works.
 

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So it's interesting, if your phone is next to the HomePod and you say Hey Siri they both perk up but the HomePod takes over. I'll need to read up on exactly how that works.

Whenever you say "Hey Siri" and multiple devices hear it, they all vote with each other about who heard it the best, and that one gets the command. Since the HomePod has some amazing microphones, that will win most of the time

Exception seems to be my Apple Watch, which even the HomePod seems to cede control to
 

Teggy

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Oct 25, 2017
14,892
I didn't realize the watch responded to hey Siri, I thought you had to press the button!
 

Teggy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I like that Siri says, "hm?" when you haven't said anything yet on the HomePod. Of course someone is about to tell me she does that on the phone, too. XD
 

SeanM

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Oct 26, 2017
2,427
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Just got the HomePod but I can't actually set it up. After I select what room it's in (first step) the next screen is just a blank white screen, no text or pictures or anything. Have restarted the setup process 3-4 times now and even restarted my phone, same thing every time. Does it not work with the 11.3 beta or something? Ugh.

edit: got it to work by using my iPad, seems my iPhone was failing to load the Apple Music trial offer. Playing around with it now, sound quality is really good.
 
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The Real Abed

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Oct 25, 2017
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So it's interesting, if your phone is next to the HomePod and you say Hey Siri they both perk up but the HomePod takes over. I'll need to read up on exactly how that works.
Whenever you say "Hey Siri" and multiple devices hear it, they all vote with each other about who heard it the best, and that one gets the command. Since the HomePod has some amazing microphones, that will win most of the time

Exception seems to be my Apple Watch, which even the HomePod seems to cede control to
I'd been wondering how this would work. I still wish macOS could also have Hey Siri. And would work the same way, like take priority if it happens to be the main device you're currently using. And they should all talk to each other if it turns out the device that it started on can't handle the feature you need and will offload it to the one that can. And Siri should be constantly aware of all the Apple devices you have around you and be able to shift information between them if needed. I should be able to ask my phone to send a Siri query over to my MacBook screen to read momentarily. As I said before, if I ask Siri to set a timer on my MacBook, she shouldn't say she can't do it. Rather she should ask if I want to set the timer on my phone instead. Or better yet, just set it anyway on my phone. I don't care. Then when the timer is up a notification should come onto my MacBook screen to let me dismiss it. This would be super helpful for when you just want your phone to sit on the charger across the room while you use your computer. Apple has plenty of algorithms for checking what devices you have and which ones you're actively using. They should make them able to ping each other, find out how far apart they are, then use logic to figure out where you as a user are in relation to them. (I bet with a Watch it would be much easier as it'd literally be a representation of you and make it easy to tell what device you're closest to.)

Also, Siri on iOS needs to know when to GTF out of the way. There's no reason for her to stay on screen for everything. If say my phone is off and I ask her to set a timer, she should set that timer and after about 3-5 seconds, fade into nothingness and let the phone sleep again. Likewise if the phone is already on and I'm using it, Siri itself should just show up in a box at the top of the screen until it knows what I want, so for a timer it could display the confirmation up there and then after a few seconds slide off the screen. If I ask her something that requires she stick around then and only then should she absorb my entire screen. Siri should be passive. Not active. Like on macOS. She only sits up in that corner when activated and only once she needs to be visible will she expand to show all the info I need. On iOS she should only peek her head out when called and only get in my face when it's something that is worth getting in my face for.

Once again I have said a lot of words. TL;DR, make Siri device agnostic. Make her able to fluidly switch between devices when needed to. Make her less obtrusive.
 

Ninjadom

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hi guys, I've got some Apple TV questions especially after just getting a 4K TV.

I have the non-4K Siri Apple TV, the 4th gen 2015 one. I mainly use the Apple TV as a Netflix box, we watch a lot of Netflix.

Now my new LG 4K TV has a Netflix app built into the OS? Will this app play Netflix 4K content direct on the TV at 4K? This may be a silly question.

Does the Apple TV 4K model play YouTube 4K content at 4K? My TV doesn't have a YouTube app.

Those with an Apple TV 4K unit, what 4K content do you use it for as most 4K TV's have a lot of apps built into them?

I wanna get the most out of 4K and if the Netflix app on my TV plays back in 4K then that leaves my current Apple TV redundant and I have no need to upgrade it to an Apple TV 4K version.
 

Lashley

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Oct 25, 2017
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Have the 1st gen iPad Pro 12.9, and man the battery life is pretty shit now after the newer iOS update which made it like a lite-Mac.

Before that I honestly wouldn't need to charge it more than once or twice a week. Wish they'd add a battery saver mode.
 

Vuze

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Oct 25, 2017
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Now my new LG 4K TV has a Netflix app built into the OS? Will this app play Netflix 4K content direct on the TV at 4K? This may be a silly question. - It should, provided your bandwidth is sufficient, the content is available in 4K and you are subscribed to the 4K plan. You'll have to check Google for your specific model though.

Does the Apple TV 4K model play YouTube 4K content at 4K? My TV doesn't have a YouTube app. - No because Apple and Google are in a format war about 4K. Apple uses the HEVC (same format that is also used on UHD Blurays for example), Google uses their own VP9 because they are too cheap to pay the HEVC royalties.
Maybe sell off the Apple TV and get a Chromecast for 4K YT if you don't need/want a dedicated experience? I think that would be the most affordable and reliable way to get 4K YT for now if your TV doesn't do it.

It's insane how the MacBook Taptic engine trackpads ruin you btw. I had to do some stuff on my dads mid-range Dell the other day and the trackpad felt so weird, almost as if it was broken. Sort of exhausting to click too lol. Still love this little 12" machine 6 months in, it's just so reliable.
 
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dallow_bg

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Oct 28, 2017
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Hi guys, I've got some Apple TV questions especially after just getting a 4K TV.

I have the non-4K Siri Apple TV, the 4th gen 2015 one. I mainly use the Apple TV as a Netflix box, we watch a lot of Netflix.

Now my new LG 4K TV has a Netflix app built into the OS? Will this app play Netflix 4K content direct on the TV at 4K? This may be a silly question.

Does the Apple TV 4K model play YouTube 4K content at 4K? My TV doesn't have a YouTube app.

Those with an Apple TV 4K unit, what 4K content do you use it for as most 4K TV's have a lot of apps built into them?

I wanna get the most out of 4K and if the Netflix app on my TV plays back in 4K then that leaves my current Apple TV redundant and I have no need to upgrade it to an Apple TV 4K version.

The TV app should play 4K Netflix provided you have the appropriate Netflix plan.

The ATV 4K has a YouTube app but will NOT play content at 4K. Don't know why Google hasn't enabled it. Seems petty.
 

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The ATV4K YouTube app doesn't play 4K because Google encodes their 4K content in VP9, which Apple doesn't support. Apple uses the competing HEVC standard instead. HEVC costs money to license, and Google develops VP9 (which is free for others to implement) themselves, so the reason they prefer it is obvious.

Apple is pretty much the only major holdout on adopting VP9 support, so personally I point the blame at them.
 

dallow_bg

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The ATV4K YouTube app doesn't play 4K because Google encodes their 4K content in VP9, which Apple doesn't support. Apple uses the competing HEVC standard instead. HEVC costs money to license, and Google develops VP9 (which is free for others to implement) themselves, so the reason they prefer it is obvious.

Apple is pretty much the only major holdout on adopting VP9 support, so personally I point the blame at them.

Ah no wonder. I thought VP9 encodes were only for HDR content, but I see that was added with Profile 2 of VP9.

My TV plays 4K Netflix but unfortunately can't play their HDR.
 

Mr. Wonderful

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Oct 27, 2017
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The ATV4K YouTube app doesn't play 4K because Google encodes their 4K content in VP9, which Apple doesn't support. Apple uses the competing HEVC standard instead. HEVC costs money to license, and Google develops VP9 (which is free for others to implement) themselves, so the reason they prefer it is obvious.

Apple is pretty much the only major holdout on adopting VP9 support, so personally I point the blame at them.
Yeah, same here. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Apple will cave before the shift the AV1.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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AirPods now no longer have the same charge per pod. Left will charge to 99 and right to 94. Granted I'm using these like 10 hours a day, I'm not surprised by this, but the right pod does die first every time. Had the issue happen again where they cut off during a phone call after about 20 minutes and I have to put them in the case to continue the call on the iPhone itself. This is still really frustrating. Oh, and my AirPods will disconnect if I open the empty case while audio is playing through them already. Odd.

I'm still without a case on my iPad, iPhone, AirPods (except when I am out and about, then I put them back in my PodPocket's case that I clip to my belt loop), and tv remote. They all feel so great, especially the remote. I bought one of those 2 dollar silicon grips for it because everyone told me the remote was terrible, but I love it. I've never had a problem picking it up and using it. Maybe I just look at it when I do, and that white circle fixes these basic issues, but I don't find it slippery and I've no problem with accidental touchpad issues.

Also, since Marco is back on twitter complaining about Apple's sliding software standards, I just want to say that I'm still having overcast problems and he still doesn't respond to support emails. I have to force quit the app every other day to get the player controls to start working.
 
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I don't know if you listen to ATP but Marco Arment is very open about not responding to emails. Nevermind support ones, personal ones too. And in fairness he's right about Apple being in a bit of a funk with Mac in particular.

I have a MacBook Pro from 2010 and a Windows desktop PC that I built and I've never once considered getting a Mac desktop, it just seems mad for what I need a PC to do. The level of support and continual improvements Microsoft give their desktop software and Windows compared with how little interest Apple seem to have in their OS and desktop software slaps you right smack in the face when you're using both regularly.

Apple need to decide where it's going with Mac on the pro end in particular. Windows laptops like the Surface are starting to look very attractive to me for my next laptop and MacBook Pros with their flaky keyboards, lack of ports and touch bars are certainly not.
 
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I don't know if you listen to ATP but Marco Arment is very open about not responding to emails. Nevermind support ones, personal ones too. And in fairness he's right about Apple being in a bit of a funk with Mac in particular.

I have a MacBook Pro from 2010 and a Windows desktop PC that I built and I've never once considered getting a Mac desktop, it just seems mad for what I need a PC to do. The level of support and continual improvements Microsoft give their desktop software and Windows compared with how little interest Apple seem to have in their OS and desktop software slaps you right smack in the face when you're using both regularly.

Apple need to decide where it's going with Mac on the pro end in particular. Windows laptops like the Surface are starting to look very attractive to me for my next laptop and MacBook Pros with their flaky keyboards, lack of ports and touch bars are certainly not.

I've actually been shopping for a laptop for the past few months. I have an iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, and HomePod. I've owned an 15" retina MacBook Pro in the past. I however didn't even really consider buying a MacBook this go around. In fairness a large part of that is Windows laptop makers have already starting updating their ultraportables with the new quad core chips where I'd only be able to get a dual-core in the current 13" MacBook. The touch bar doesn't really interest me either. I also needed something soon, if I could have waited it out maybe the refresh in June or September I would have been more interested in a MacBook, but for what I'm looking for some if the higher end Windows laptops seem to come with less compromise than the current MacBooks (of course if you hate Windows or need MacOS then you have no options).
 

xxracerxx

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Oct 25, 2017
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Anyone have any usb-c dock recommendations that will charge a MBP, have ethernet, and do usb-c output to secondary monitor?
 

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The reason Apple hasn't shipped quad-core 13" MBPs yet is because Intel only offers them with their lower-end graphics, not the Iris chips the current 13" Pro uses.

We'll probably have to wait for Cannon Lake proper to roll out, rather than the Kaby Lake-based chips shipping now, for quad-cores (and likely hexa-cores in the 15") to make it to the MBP line.
 

eyeball_kid

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Oct 25, 2017
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You want it to have some sort of speaker to ping a sound? Honestly that feels like a bit of a waste of tech. I've never even come close to losing the case.

Just spitballing here, but if you had an iPhone plus another iOS device (TV, HomePod..) you might be able to use BTLE to triangulate position of the case, then use ARKit to visualize a rough position on the iPhone.
 

Teggy

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You want it to have some sort of speaker to ping a sound? Honestly that feels like a bit of a waste of tech. I've never even come close to losing the case.

Well I've lost it many times so great for you, I guess?

I'm much more likely to misplace the case than an individual headphone. I use find my iPhone (ping from my watch usually) all the time and the iPhone is a good 6x the size of the case.
 

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How does your phone and Mac know when you open the case then? I guess the headphones detect the light change and interpret it as "I want to use these now"? I always assumed they had BT as well and a sensor to detect when it's opened.

The AirPods know when they are in the case, and they have proximity sensors that can tell when the case is open or closed by if the sensor is blocked or not. So if(inChargingCase && proximity == near){ case == closed; } else { case == open; } is how I would guess that works.
 

Guppeth

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How does your phone and Mac know when you open the case then? I guess the headphones detect the light change and interpret it as "I want to use these now"? I always assumed they had BT as well and a sensor to detect when it's opened.
The phone and Mac can't detect the case is open if the case doesn't have an AirPod in it. The case's battery light does show when you open it, so there's at least a simple switch there. I bet the case communicates with the AirPods through the metal ring around the microphones, which are also used for charging.


The AirPods know when they are in the case, and they have proximity sensors that can tell when the case is open or closed by if the sensor is blocked or not. So if(inChargingCase && proximity == near){ case == closed; } else { case == open; } is how I would guess that works.
Or it could be this.
 

Ambitious

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Oct 26, 2017
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In the Photos app, a picture that's over two years old suddenly showed up at the bottom of my list, i.e. as a new picture.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


edit: Only on my phone, not on my Mac. On the phone, the total number of pictures in the library is also bigger by one. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Typhon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Having some techinical problems on an older MacBook, wondered if anyone here had some advice.

OS X partition will not boot. Giving a read error in verbose mode. However my Windows and Recovery partitions are fine. Seem to have no trouble accessing the OS X partition in Windows. No problems found with Disk First Aid.

Any recommendations that don't include a reformat?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Well, this is odd. Apple TV usually outputs to RGB on my monitor, but now it gets flipped only when I watch Netflix (Youtube, Amazon, Plex are all fine) to YCbCr, so anything in Netflix looks magenta. Happened out of nowhere. Restart didn't fix it.
 

maximumzero

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Oct 25, 2017
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Any honest, average user opinions on the Apple Watch? Target has the 42mm model for $209.99, which is the cheapest I think I've ever seen them new at retail. With my Red Card I can knock that down to $199.99 or I can get Best Buy to price match and get about $10 back in rewards.

I used a Pebble watch from 2014 to 2016 and while it was a neat gadget I never found it to be anything life changing or necessary, so I'm wondering what you folks think of the Apple Watch in 2018.
 

Aiii

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Oct 24, 2017
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I suddenly started getting a rash from the Apple Watch. Which I dismissed at first as just getting some soap in there (Have a soap allergy) after taking a bath, since the series 0 Watch has never given me a rash. So I changed my Watch to the other wrist while I treated the rash with some cream I got from the doctor for rashes caused by the soap allergies. I also started taking the Watch off again when I take baths and showers. However, I've now started developing the same rash on the other wrist, so that's suspect.

I'm not sure why I never had these problems before, I've had the Series 3 ever since it first came out, but I guess I need to look into getting a new non-silicone band? Anyone else ever experience this?
 

Guppeth

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I suddenly started getting a rash from the Apple Watch. Which I dismissed at first as just getting some soap in there (Have a soap allergy) after taking a bath, since the series 0 Watch has never given me a rash. So I changed my Watch to the other wrist while I treated the rash with some cream I got from the doctor for rashes caused by the soap allergies. I also started taking the Watch off again when I take baths and showers. However, I've now started developing the same rash on the other wrist, so that's suspect.

I'm not sure why I never had these problems before, I've had the Series 3 ever since it first came out, but I guess I need to look into getting a new non-silicone band? Anyone else ever experience this?
I don't have an Apple Watch but I had the same problem after a few months of owning a Fitbit. It could be that the strap is filthy and you're reacting to that. Try mixing baking soda with a bit of water to make a paste, and then use it and a toothbrush to scrub the hell out of the band. Worked for me.
 

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https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/02/12/sinofsky-apple-software

It's a good thing that Apple has finally admitted to a certain degree that their software quality is sub-par right now but in my opinion there's a bigger problem if they think that they can just take a year to polish up their stuff and then return to junk updates that introduce new and broken things, already with the news of Apple optimizing its stuff there's the underlining that they year after they are going bonkers with changing the home screen and introducing tons of new features and things like that.
That way instead of reinforcing the frail ship you just plugged a hole.
 

eyeball_kid

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https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/02/12/sinofsky-apple-software

It's a good thing that Apple has finally admitted to a certain degree that their software quality is sub-par right now but in my opinion there's a bigger problem if they think that they can just take a year to polish up their stuff and then return to junk updates that introduce new and broken things, already with the news of Apple optimizing its stuff there's the underlining that they year after they are going bonkers with changing the home screen and introducing tons of new features and things like that.
That way instead of reinforcing the frail ship you just plugged a hole.

I'm not sure you totally understand what they're doing. They are basically moving to a cycle where teams can now push a feature out for another year if they feel they need more time. I think because of this we'll see the overall amount of features per-year drop and hopefully the quality of each will improve.
 

SeanM

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After a couple days with HomePod it's clear that Siri needs a drastic overhaul, it's fundamentally flawed.

Siri on HomePod barely supports any commands, yet almost always gets priority in terms of being the device that answers your commands. A lot of mornings I'll ask Siri for directions to wherever I'm going, but now my HomePod intercepts that command and says 'directions are not supported on HomePod' despite my iPhone being in the same exact room. It's like this for lots of other stuff too like calendars - HomePod answers and says that it's not supported.

It's so stupid and a flat out bad experience, I have no idea how Apple shipped something this bad. I'll be returning the HomePod, hope that Siri gets massive improvements this year.
 

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I'm not sure you totally understand what they're doing. They are basically moving to a cycle where teams can now push a feature out for another year if they feel they need more time. I think because of this we'll see the overall amount of features per-year drop and hopefully the quality of each will improve.
They are essentially already doing that though, it has been a couple of years that we got promised features in the X.2 or X.3 version of the software that ship several months after the main OS version has been released and things didn't go that well.
 

eyeball_kid

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They are essentially already doing that though, it has been a couple of years that we got promised features in the X.2 or X.3 version of the software that ship several months after the main OS version has been released and things didn't go that well.

From a developer perspective I can say that being given two years to finish a feature instead a year of crunch and then even more crunch as the dates slip produces a product of a higher quality, and much less burnt out developers. (burnt out developers also cause more bugs)
 

dallow_bg

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After a couple days with HomePod it's clear that Siri needs a drastic overhaul, it's fundamentally flawed.

Siri on HomePod barely supports any commands, yet almost always gets priority in terms of being the device that answers your commands. A lot of mornings I'll ask Siri for directions to wherever I'm going, but now my HomePod intercepts that command and says 'directions are not supported on HomePod' despite my iPhone being in the same exact room. It's like this for lots of other stuff too like calendars - HomePod answers and says that it's not supported.

It's so stupid and a flat out bad experience, I have no idea how Apple shipped something this bad. I'll be returning the HomePod, hope that Siri gets massive improvements this year.

I can see that being super frustrating, dang.