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Supernatural Season 13 |OT| Lucky Number 13. And We Gotta Keep Fiction Happy.
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After putting off most of this season I finally set aside some time yesterday to catch up. Glad I went in unspoiled because the end of the most recent episode really caught me off-guard. I can't wait to see where they go with it next. As long as they keep the pace up I think they'll come out better than most of season 12.
I'm still a little stunned. It really seems like the writers are now listening to the sane fans instead of the insane ones. I'm sure Anael will be killed off but not for the typical reasons. Lucy I'd always entertaining, and I would love to see how he actually deal with being human.
I want the backstory of how Gabe was captured ASAP. It has to be a great story, because the dude is as close to being a reoccurring God as we can get without Chuck and Amara.
I cannot wait until he breaks lose and... All hell breaks lose. I want to know if he still sides with humanity or if his time had jaded him.
Excellent episode. Will be a great birthday present when it returns.
I want the backstory of how Gabe was captured ASAP. It has to be a great story, because the dude is as close to being a reoccurring God as we can get without Chuck and Amara.
I cannot wait until he breaks lose and... All hell breaks lose. I want to know if he still sides with humanity or if his time had jaded him.
Excellent episode. Will be a great birthday present when it returns.
Man, this show is great. I'm so happy I did a full season rewatch a year ago with my fiancee. It had a down period or two (season 7 and 9, mainly) but it really came back strong. I've loved 12 and 13.
If 12 keeps giving us greatness, it might be right below 11 in the ranks.
Sadly nothing will claim the heights of 11
Sadly nothing will claim the heights of 11
Man, that shit caught everyone off-guard. Probably the best cliffhanger the series has ever done and that's saying something. So glad you got to get it unspoiled.
I think he'll still side with humans, after all it was a demon that captured him. Only way I can see him being hostile to humans is if some faction of MoL captured him or had anything to due with his imprisonment. I wanna know how he didn't die to Lucifer, where he went and hid, how he got captured! My only theory is that he was hiding in another Universe. Which if that's the case it means Chuck isn't Supreme God of all the multiverse, but rather a God of a Universe since he said Gabriel was dead.
Yeah I did not see that coming at all, it was only when he brought out the Archangel killing blade and Ketch was like lore says an Archangel much wield did I go omgggggg Michael is in the cage, raphael is splattered in a multitude of areas, the only one left is Gabriel :D!!!!
See, I had figured they busted Michael out and were going to have him do the job.
I'm loving the trend of bringing back people as opposed to killing them off. It's a nice change of pace.
I do hope we get to see the real Bobby soon enough. We'll be seeing Alt-Bobby again soon but they left us on a cliffhanger with the real Bobby back in season 10 and we haven't seen him since. (Season 11 was a flashback episode with Rufus, season 12 and 13 was Alt-Bobby.)
I do hope we get to see the real Bobby soon enough. We'll be seeing Alt-Bobby again soon but they left us on a cliffhanger with the real Bobby back in season 10 and we haven't seen him since. (Season 11 was a flashback episode with Rufus, season 12 and 13 was Alt-Bobby.)
Same here I was like "Omg it'd Michal, its going to be the vessal of their brother omg. "
And then it was an ever bigger surprise lol
Michael would have made sense too considering Azmodeus could simply let him out of the cage whenever he wanted to.
I'm wondering why they are holding off with Michael. Even when they showed the cage; they kept Michael mostly hidden or in shadows. Does the actor who played Adam not want to return? I guess they could always give Michael a new vessel. But I also guess with the current story of the other Michael wanting to invade; having 2 Michael's might be confusing from a basic story point. Imagine Dean, Sam or whoever having to constantly differentiate which Michael they're talking about in conversation.
I've given up on any return of Michael/Adam. Sam & Dean get told straight up that Adam is still in the Cage, and they still give zero fucks and do nothing whatsoever to try and free him. It actually pisses me off because before Adam says yes to Michael Sam & dean are all like you're other brother! And talk about family and it's been 8 years and still not a single fuck given :/.
What? How? Did I miss something, because Azmodeus was said to be the weakest, so if he could do it why didn't any of the others try to free Lucifer? Azazel went through all the trouble of setting Lucifer free by using Sam
It makes sense when you consider where Sam was after just a short amount of time in the cage. Adam's been in there for years, there likely hasn't been anything of him left for a while now. So why risk the end of days starting up again to go after someone who is likely dead, and if he's not they'd still need to exorcise an arch angel and throw it back in the cage. That's like three impossible tasks with no margin for error. I could see them trying it for Bobby, but they barely know Adam.
This is true. For some reason I was thinking he could easily let him out of the cage but that obviously isn't the case.
Yeh it's be extremely hard for him to let Michael out, but given what we've seen in recent times MoL probably know another way to open up the cage
They had God for the longest time, they could have easily asked, hey our half-brother is sorta in the Cage linkly being constantly tortured by Michael, could you like free his soul to Heaven since humans aren't meant to be in the cage? If Death could get in the cage and free Sam without Lucifer escaping God cann 100% do it without a sweat. Instead we got the mom who ended up getting trapped and totured by megadick Michael D:
You know it makes you wonder why despite the fact that both michael and lucifer were caged together along with sam and adam at the end of season 5, when they unleash lucifer in season 11 from the cage, it's just him there.
Also was the cage always in hell? I assumed the cage existed outside of hell in a place that was linked to that church in maryland at the end of season 4.
Also was the cage always in hell? I assumed the cage existed outside of hell in a place that was linked to that church in maryland at the end of season 4.
Minor nitpick: the Archangel Blade looks different than it did in the season 5 episode when Lucifer stabbed Gabriel with one. I think it looked like a normal angel blade back then.
I actually think that they are going to say that's why Gabe didn't truly die; he wasn't stabbed with the archangel blade. After he's the only archangel who's 'died'
The thing is, Lucifer would have known, but perhaps he didn't really want to kill Gabe.
That aside, though, here's what I'm thinking: "Asmodeus" is really Gabriel, and the fucked up dude in the cage is Asmodeus. His mouth is sewn shut so he can't tell anyone who he is. That's how Asmodeus can shapeshift like that, despite Lucifer never giving him that ability, and Lucifer is/was too weak to see through the ruse. That's also why he isn't afraid of Lucifer, who should be leagues and leagues beyond him.
Holy hell you might be onto something...I swear if that's the reason I'll bow to your infinite wisdom .
Also, the actor looks a lot like Richard Speight, Jr. from certain angles.
But yeah, it wouldn't be the first time ol' Gabe cosplayed as something that's supposed to be quite powerful but actually way weaker than him, and the first time, Castiel couldn't see through his trickster disguise, either.
It's just that I don't really see what his motivation is here--particularly in wanting Jack to free those whatever things from the depths.
But yeah, it wouldn't be the first time ol' Gabe cosplayed as something that's supposed to be quite powerful but actually way weaker than him, and the first time, Castiel couldn't see through his trickster disguise, either.
It's just that I don't really see what his motivation is here--particularly in wanting Jack to free those whatever things from the depths.
This raises the question: why has he done the things he's done then? It doesn't gel with the Gabe we've come to know at all.
He's gotta keep up the ruse, he's fucked with the boys before to make them realize their role.
Did he actually harm any angels or humans? IDR. I think he killed some demons.
As for releasing yet another of Gods creations that predate-everything-and-instead-of-wiping-them-from-existence-heplocks-them-away-and-makes-it-so-there-is-a-way-to-release-them that is a good question...wonder what they are
He hasn't really done anything so far.
EDIT: Of course, another--shittier--possibility is that Asmodeus somehow learned how to steal Gabriel's shapeshifting ability.
EDIT: Of course, another--shittier--possibility is that Asmodeus somehow learned how to steal Gabriel's shapeshifting ability.
:/. Maybe he stole his grace? Can Demons steal Angels grace? It'd explain how he can shapeshift and how Gabriel is locked up
He murdered that female bartender when he was tricking dean by wearing her. Not a Gabby thing to do. I'd more believe that Asmodeus got switched out off-screen by Gabriel, then believe that Gabriel has been him this entire time.
Sure, but everyone he killed had it coming. They were all dicks. He didn't just kill randos.
I just realized something. I watched the episode again with my husband and on the previouslies they mentioned the part where Lucy said Asmodeus didn't get the shapeshifting trick from him.
I thought it was out of place because usually the previouslies refer to something that's going to happen in the episode but I realized it was a clue.
He made Gabe teach him that trick. So there's no telling what else he can do.
I thought it was out of place because usually the previouslies refer to something that's going to happen in the episode but I realized it was a clue.
He made Gabe teach him that trick. So there's no telling what else he can do.
Oh yeah, so also, it looks like we might have some more clarification about the limitations of the Colt. Demons obviously know about it, and they also say that only an archangel's sword can kill an archangel (which isn't actually true, but I guess as weapons go, sure). So we now have two possibilities for the list of five things in Creation it cannot kill:
Possibility 1
1. Archangel
2. ?
3. ?
4. ?
5. ?
Possibility 2
1. Lucifer
2. Michael
3. Gabriel
4. Raphael
5. ?
God and The Darkness obviously aren't part of Creation, so they wouldn't be on the list. Other possibilities include Death, Leviathan, and maybe whatever Asmodeus is trying to dredge up.
Possibility 1
1. Archangel
2. ?
3. ?
4. ?
5. ?
Possibility 2
1. Lucifer
2. Michael
3. Gabriel
4. Raphael
5. ?
God and The Darkness obviously aren't part of Creation, so they wouldn't be on the list. Other possibilities include Death, Leviathan, and maybe whatever Asmodeus is trying to dredge up.
We knew The Colt couldn't kill Archangels way back when Sam shot Lucifer in the head with it, and Lucifer stood up and told us he was 1 of 5 things in all of creation The Colt can't kill :p. I still think Leviathans can't be killed by the Colt, so thats
Archangels
Leviathans.
However...since we know learned that Death is not just one single entity, but rather an incarnation The Colt could be capable of killing him(and then the next repeaer to die takes his place?)
So:
Archangels
Leviathans
Death?
Well, going by season 5, we only knew that it can't kill Lucifer, and we had to guess that applied to the whole class of archangels, but now it seems to be confirmed, work Asmodeus and Ketch saying that only an archangel's sword can kill an archangel.
And yeah. I'm not so sure it can't kill Death anymore.
Regarding Leviathan, though, I think it's a strong contender for being one of the things because God had Metatron inscribe a whole tablet just to lay out how to kill them. I doubt He'd go through all the trouble if other things could do it.
I do wonder if the Hand of God artifacts could be more powerful, though. Lucifer sure thought they could kill Amara, at least.
I think of the weapons we've seen, their power ranking should shake out something like this:
1. Hand of God
2. Archangel sword
3. Death's scythe
4. The Colt
5. Angelic arsenal, including the Spear of Destiny
6. Angel blade
7. Ruby's knife
And yeah. I'm not so sure it can't kill Death anymore.
Regarding Leviathan, though, I think it's a strong contender for being one of the things because God had Metatron inscribe a whole tablet just to lay out how to kill them. I doubt He'd go through all the trouble if other things could do it.
I do wonder if the Hand of God artifacts could be more powerful, though. Lucifer sure thought they could kill Amara, at least.
I think of the weapons we've seen, their power ranking should shake out something like this:
1. Hand of God
2. Archangel sword
3. Death's scythe
4. The Colt
5. Angelic arsenal, including the Spear of Destiny
6. Angel blade
7. Ruby's knife
I guess . But given what we've seen whenever a weapon can/cantc kill one creature it usually applies to ever creature in that class . Like every angel is affected by wards and ring of holy fire(except the scribe of God :/) .
Anyways I'd say angelic weapons over the colt. The staff of Moses turned a guy into a puddle of blood and gave gave an person a shit ton of boils. Who knows what it could do to demons or angels. The salt even turned Raphael's vessel into salt and he had to find a new vessel. We've never seen it used on demons or monsters though :/ .
Are you including Michael's lance in the angelic arsenal? I might put that in a tie with the archangel sword. It fried the powerful Ramiel instantly and it was made specifically to fuck up Lucifer. Too bad it got broken. Then again, boys probably would have stashed it with Thor's hammer in forgotten land.
What? Didn't Balthazaar steal it, cut it up in pieces and sell it in exchange for kids souls? He said he looted the Angelic Weaponry too. I might be wrong tho
Maybe it's not the Gabe we knew, he might really be dead, but the dark world Gabe who has come to our world and is masquerading as Asmodeus now? While keeping the real Asmodeus locked up and quiet so he can't spoil the ruse?
This season is all kinds of crazy, holy hell. This is season fucking 13, and it's still this good? O_o
I just got caught up and I am excited to see where things goes. There are so many different moving parts
Lucifer now king of Heaven
Evil Michael coming
Ketch and what he will ultimately do
Jack with mommy Winchester
GABRIEL!!!!!!!
Roweena getting a power up.
My predictions for the rest of the season:
-Ketch will die a heroic death, taking out Asmodeus with him
-Gabriel will kill alternate reality Michael, not Lucifer, using the Arc Angel blade and be the new leader of Heaven
-Roweena will use her new powered up state to either kill Lucifer for good or slam him back into the cage.
-Michael/Adam are going to escape the cage and will be the big bad Sam and Dean will have to deal with next season. It will be a great way to explore the boys' guilt for leaving their brother in there, especially Dean. Dean is going to feel guilty as hell leaving Adam in the cage for so long and forgetting about him. It will be the a running thread throughout the season, and we all know how this show love a brooding/troubled Dean hat runs an entire season.
Lucifer now king of Heaven
Evil Michael coming
Ketch and what he will ultimately do
Jack with mommy Winchester
GABRIEL!!!!!!!
Roweena getting a power up.
My predictions for the rest of the season:
-Ketch will die a heroic death, taking out Asmodeus with him
-Gabriel will kill alternate reality Michael, not Lucifer, using the Arc Angel blade and be the new leader of Heaven
-Roweena will use her new powered up state to either kill Lucifer for good or slam him back into the cage.
-Michael/Adam are going to escape the cage and will be the big bad Sam and Dean will have to deal with next season. It will be a great way to explore the boys' guilt for leaving their brother in there, especially Dean. Dean is going to feel guilty as hell leaving Adam in the cage for so long and forgetting about him. It will be the a running thread throughout the season, and we all know how this show love a brooding/troubled Dean hat runs an entire season.
Why let us see Gabriel and then make us wait so long for another glimpse ;_; stop toying with my feelings :(
The painful part is that they're totally gonna kill him to get the spell working, I just know it.