Kids at one Utah Elementary must say yes if another kid asks to dance

subpar spatula · Feb 13, 2018

est1992 said:
Let me put it in ways you'll all understand:

Say lil Jessica is the hottest girl in school, by 11 year old standards. Say every little Mormon boy there wants a dance with lil Jessica, but say Jessica doesn't wanna dance with all of them. Maybe she thinks some of them are weird. Maybe some of them don't bathe enough and they stink. Either way, she doesn't wanna dance with them. Come dance time, Jessica only wants to be with her friends, but nope, she's got a bunch of 11 year old kids coming at her from all angles to dance with her. She can't say no, it's in the rules. Now, Jessica feels uncomfortable. Now, all those Mormon boys get to have their turn dancing with her, even though she feels uncomfortable. Don't you think lil Jessie-poo should have the ability to say "no, I don't wanna dance with you?"

This isn't how it works, though. You have a list of names written beforehand of people you want to dance with. Can't dance with the same person twice, and when the card is full then you're done.

"The district said Monday in a statement to McClatchy that participation in the school dance is voluntary and explained that students are taught various styles of dancing, such as line dancing, in PE before the event."

They're taught dances so one can only assume they'll get a partner from their card for each of those dances IE Lil Jessica dances with Lil Timmy for line dancing and then another for this other dance.

It doesn't appear to be the bump and grind type of dance. They still have those events where they can say no to people.

Valkyr1983 said:
Why do you want to force young kids to dance with other kids they don't like?

Its weird

They're not forced if the event is voluntary. Forcing them would be making it mandatory but it isn't.

RDreamer · Feb 13, 2018

American Eskimo said:
Are you familiar with line dancing?

School desks are placed closer together than the average position of people doing the dance.

Do you with Joey should consent to who gets to sit around him in the classroom?

The thing is that (presumably) no one is upset about the PE class setup, which seems to be what you think this is. The article talks about them learning things in PE class. Teacher assigns people to dance and they learn together. That's fine. There's a difference though between that sort of loss of agency in a classroom and learning setting and literally telling children they cannot say no when asked. Those are very different things and they teach the children very different things in my opinion.

And on top of that the article uses line dancing as an example of one of the dances they'd do. That is not the only one. I'm fairly certain no one gives a fuck about someone line dancing near you. That's not really what this is about.

Valkyr1983 · Feb 13, 2018

subpar spatula said:
This isn't how it works, though. You have a list of names written beforehand of people you want to dance with. Can't dance with the same person twice, and when the card is full then you're done.

"The district said Monday in a statement to McClatchy that participation in the school dance is voluntary and explained that students are taught various styles of dancing, such as line dancing, in PE before the event."

They're taught dances so one can only assume they'll get a partner from their card for each of those dances IE Lil Jessica dances with Lil Timmy for line dancing and then another for this other dance.

It doesn't appear to be the bump and grind type of dance. They still have those events where they can say no to people.

They're not forced if the event is voluntary. Forcing them would be making it mandatory but it isn't.

lil Jessica shouldn't have to line dance or awkaward no touching dance with anyone either

Why does dance type matter? No one in this topic thought it meant grinding for Christ's sake it's elementary school

Valkyr1983 · Feb 13, 2018

subpar spatula said:
This isn't how it works, though. You have a list of names written beforehand of people you want to dance with. Can't dance with the same person twice, and when the card is full then you're done.

"The district said Monday in a statement to McClatchy that participation in the school dance is voluntary and explained that students are taught various styles of dancing, such as line dancing, in PE before the event."

They're taught dances so one can only assume they'll get a partner from their card for each of those dances IE Lil Jessica dances with Lil Timmy for line dancing and then another for this other dance.

It doesn't appear to be the bump and grind type of dance. They still have those events where they can say no to people.

They're not forced if the event is voluntary. Forcing them would be making it mandatory but it isn't.

The event is voluntary yes

So if you want to go to a dance and just not dance with certain people, oh well?

est1992 · Feb 13, 2018

subpar spatula said:
This isn't how it works, though. You have a list of names written beforehand of people you want to dance with. Can't dance with the same person twice, and when the card is full then you're done.

"The district said Monday in a statement to McClatchy that participation in the school dance is voluntary and explained that students are taught various styles of dancing, such as line dancing, in PE before the event."

They're taught dances so one can only assume they'll get a partner from their card for each of those dances IE Lil Jessica dances with Lil Timmy for line dancing and then another for this other dance.

It doesn't appear to be the bump and grind type of dance. They still have those events where they can say no to people.

They're not forced if the event is voluntary. Forcing them would be making it mandatory but it isn't.

Its. still. weird. How do you not see that? Of course they aren't grinding, they're KIDS. Kids find it intimate just to hug someone or be near them.

subpar spatula · Feb 13, 2018

Valkyr1983 said:
lil Jessica shouldn't have to line dance or awkaward no touching dance with anyone either

Why does dance type matter? No one in this topic thought it meant grinding for Christ's sake it's elementary school

Then she chooses not to go?. Also, in line dancing for PE (done before the dance) you don't *really* (unless you game the system and count how many steps are to your BFF) choose your partner since most dances have you rotating through multiple people. Is that a problem too?

Like, it's a voluntary, inclusion-ary dance event where they do dances like line dancing. At regular dance events or in general they can say no to things.

Cokie Bear · Feb 13, 2018

est1992 said:
Let me put it in ways you'll all understand:

Say lil Jessica is the hottest girl in school, by 11 year old standards. Say every little Mormon boy there wants a dance with lil Jessica, but say Jessica doesn't wanna dance with all of them. Maybe she thinks some of them are weird. Maybe some of them don't bathe enough and they stink. Either way, she doesn't wanna dance with them. Come dance time, Jessica only wants to be with her friends, but nope, she's got a bunch of 11 year old kids coming at her from all angles to dance with her. She can't say no, it's in the rules. Now, Jessica feels uncomfortable. Now, all those Mormon boys get to have their turn dancing with her, even though she feels uncomfortable. Don't you think lil Jessie-poo should have the ability to say "no, I don't wanna dance with you?"

Why would Jessica be there? The whole point is it's part of a dance class that these kids attended, and this is the show to show off what they learned.

Also unsure of what you mean by a way I'll understand, then go on to describe some ultra seedy situation where some 11 year old girl is borderline being molsted. Is that what you picture this to be?

Fauxpaw · Feb 13, 2018

subpar spatula said:
They can still say no at homecoming, prom, etc. They can also not go to those due to social pressures.

If you're being bullied then it's the school's failure for not intervening properly.

At the end of the day, it's a small dance within the long life they will continue to live. I highly doubt this specific dance will be a catalyst for awful behavior down the road or even influence it. Seems like a way to talk to people you wouldn't normally talk to due to school cliques.

My apologies for the permission slip, thought I read they were given one.

They can say no there, but they've also been exposed to 10+ years of the gender roles I've outlined above. Being worried, fretful, or flat-out anxious about saying "no" to someone doesn't sprout from nowhere. It's reinforced through various small and large experiences in your life. Humanity's biggest mistake is thinking our behaviors and thoughts are rational, and making decisions based on that rationality. We experience different emotions based on colors we see, but we don't think a dance at 10/11 could have an affect on our behavior? I didn't wear glasses for years because ONE person snickered at me for wearing them. I squinted at the board until my parents could afford contacts. One time event in my life that lasted not even a minute, and I can still remember where I was and what the room looked like.

And again, if the school does nothing about the bully, then you don't go to the dance. A failure on the school, yes, but something that often happens.

And no worries about the slip. The article is pretty basic.

Valkyr1983 · Feb 13, 2018

subpar spatula said:
Then she chooses not to go?. Also, in line dancing for PE (done before the dance) you don't *really* (unless you game the system and count how many steps are to your BFF) choose your partner since most dances have you rotating through multiple people. Is that a problem too?

Like, it's a voluntary, inclusion-ary dance event where they do dances like line dancing. At regular dance events or in general they can say no to things.

Only line dancing at this event? I got the impression it was multiple types 'including' line dancing

FeistyBoots · Feb 13, 2018

Power of Sparda said:
There's a difference between going alone to the front of the class to do a math problem and insisting that someone is allowed to enter your personal space just because they asked. That's Consent 101.

Thank you.

subpar spatula · Feb 13, 2018

Fauxpaw said:
They can say no there, but they've also been exposed to 10+ years of the gender roles I've outlined above. Being worried, fretful, or flat-out anxious about saying "no" to someone doesn't sprout from nowhere. It's reinforced through various small and large experiences in your life. Humanity's biggest mistake is thinking our behaviors and thoughts are rational, and making decisions based on that rationality. We experience different emotions based on colors we see, but we don't think a dance at 10/11 could have an affect on our behavior? I didn't wear glasses for years because ONE person snickered at me for wearing them. I squinted at the board until my parents could afford contacts. One time event in my life that lasted not even a minute, and I can still remember where I was and what the room looked like.

And again, if the school does nothing about the bully, then you don't go to the dance. A failure on the school, yes, but something that often happens.

And no worries about the slip. The article is pretty basic.

And this dance isn't going to push those kids over the edge. Yes, things compound over time from that sexist joke your uncle says seriously, to how kids pick on each other, to media shaming people for being poor, a minority, etc, to everyone taught to just be polite no matter what instead of telling people, "piss off".

At the end of the day, you can believe this dance will cause some behavioral issues down the road but I doubt you're going to convince a lot of people of that. It's a voluntary dance where they're doing things like line dancing which they were taught previously in the day (and line dancing requires random partners for some of the dances).

But I can see the absolute snark, though, thanks for that. It's like you really want to have a discussion but can't help yourself. Don't bully, eh?

Valkyr1983 said:
Only line dancing at this event? I got the impression it was multiple types 'including' line dancing

Yeah, used line dancing as an example. If they're including multiple dances then it's fair to assume they're just choreographed dances like the ballroom shit.

Valkyr1983 · Feb 13, 2018

subpar spatula said:
And this dance isn't going to push those kids over the edge. Yes, things compound over time from that sexist joke your uncle says seriously, to how kids pick on each other, to media shaming people for being poor, a minority, etc, to everyone taught to just be polite no matter what instead of telling people, "piss off".

At the end of the day, you can believe this dance will cause some behavioral issues down the road but I doubt you're going to convince a lot of people of that. It's a voluntary dance where they're doing things like line dancing which they were taught previously in the day (and line dancing requires random partners for some of the dances).

But I can see the absolute snark, though, thanks for that. It's like you really want to have a discussion but can't help yourself. Don't bully, eh?

Yeah, used line dancing as an example. If they're including multiple dances then it's fair to assume they're just choreographed dances like the ballroom shit.

And if the kids have to fill out a form with names of who they want to dance with, then it's safe to assume there are some dances that involve 1 on 1 or some kind of touching, no?

Astronut325 · Feb 13, 2018

sangreal said:
Seems like a reasonable modern take on the dance card which allows them to keep that tradition while reducing the problematic elements. It's a line dance, not an orgy. These kids will probably not even be touching each other, nor are they being forced to even socialize. It's just a way of making sure everyone has a different partner for each song. Nobody is being denied autonomy or consent any more than they are during the vast majority of a student's life which is spent being forced to join other students in activities. This one has the distinction of being entirely voluntary.

This doesn't even rise to the level of the problems with kids picking teams for sports

This is my take as well. As a parent, this dance doesn't bother me at all.

Fauxpaw · Feb 13, 2018

subpar spatula said:
But I can see the absolute snark, though, thanks for that. It's like you really want to have a discussion but can't help yourself. Don't bully, eh?

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No, the article was basic. I wasn't being snide. I find it incredible that I'm having a multi-paragraph conversation with you detailing personal experiences in my life, and you took that last line as snark.

subpar spatula · Feb 13, 2018

Valkyr1983 said:
And if the kids have to fill out a form with names of who they want to dance with, then it's safe to assume there are some dances that involve 1 on 1 or some kind of touching, no?

Yeah, it's dancing. You generally hold onto your partner in some way and sway around like a plant.

Also, I'm 100% confident if a student doesn't want to dance after going to the event the teachers and staff aren't going to force them.

I kind of hope they do exit interviews on this dance. The way some of y'all are shaping this up it sounds like a monstrous evening where everyone just hates being there.

Sinneslöschen · Feb 13, 2018

What if a boy asks another boy?

Fauxpaw · Feb 13, 2018

Sinneslöschen said:
What if a boy asks another boy?

We all know that shit wouldn't fly in Utah of all places.

Sinneslöschen · Feb 13, 2018

Fauxpaw said:
We all know that shit wouldn't fly in Utah of all places.

But he would have to say yes.

Checkmate Utah.

Cokie Bear · Feb 13, 2018

Re reading the article I can't actually see where they're not allowed to say no.

"Please be respectful, polite," Findlay said. "We want to promote kindness and so we want you to say yes when someone asks you to dance"

They want students to be polite and say yes, I can't see where they're forced to. Unless I'm missing it.

Valkyr1983 · Feb 13, 2018

subpar spatula said:
Yeah, it's dancing. You generally hold onto your partner in some way and sway around like a plant.

Also, I'm 100% confident if a student doesn't want to dance after going to the event the teachers and staff aren't going to force them.

I kind of hope they do exist interviews on this dance. The way some of y'all are shaping this up it sounds like a monstrous evening where everyone just hates being there.

Right and I'm arguing that kids should be free to attend a public school dance and participate without being forced to interact specifically with people they might not want to

I don't care if that means some kids are left out, that's honestly how life works

It's how my school dances always went

There's always a few kids no one will touch or dance with

Valkyr1983 · Feb 13, 2018

Gravy Boat said:
Re reading the article I can't actually see where they're not allowed to say no.

"Please be respectful, polite," Findlay said. "We want to promote kindness and so we want you to say yes when someone asks you to dance"

They want students to be polite and say yes, I can't see where they're forced to. Unless I'm missing it.

Yeah maybe they just need to clarify further?

Though I don't see how agreeing to dance with someone is polite

It's perfectly fine and polite to say no if done correctly

subpar spatula · Feb 13, 2018

Valkyr1983 said:
Right and I'm arguing that kids should be free to attend a public school dance and participate without being forced to interact specifically with people they might not want to

I don't care if that means some kids are left out, that's honestly how life works

It's how my school dances always went

There's always a few kids no one will touch or dance with

It's not like a normal school dance, though, unless you think school dances have choreographed line dancing.....

Fauxpaw said:
No, the article was basic. I wasn't being snide. I find it incredible that I'm having a multi-paragraph conversation with you detailing personal experiences in my life, and you took that last line as snark.

No need to state the article is basic. ;)

MIMIC · Feb 13, 2018

Well that's....weird. The school has good intentions, but this takes it just a tad too far.

Deleted member 2802 · Feb 13, 2018

Fauxpaw said:
We all know that shit wouldn't fly in Utah of all places.

I had a few friends that lived in Salt Lake City
Everytime they mailed me letters

>SL, UT

Utah acts all prim and proper but they have sex, watch porn etc.
My friends say that gay people acted with more discretion than usual, but they weren't persecuted or anything like that. The Church of Latter Day Saints accepts everyone:

https://www.lds.org/topics/same-sex-attraction?lang=eng

>Same-sex attraction refers to emotional, physical, or sexual attraction to a person of the same gender. The experience of same-sex attraction is not the same for everyone. Some people may feel exclusively attracted to the same gender, while others may feel attracted to both genders. The Church distinguishes between same-sex attraction and homosexual behavior. People who experience same-sex attraction or identify as gay, lesbian, or bisexual can make and keep covenants with God and fully and worthily participate in the Church. Identifying as gay, lesbian, or bisexual or experiencing same-sex attraction is not a sin and does not prohibit one from participating in the Church, holding callings, or attending the temple.

Posty McPostface · Feb 13, 2018

Valkyr1983 said:
Right and I'm arguing that kids should be free to attend a public school dance and participate without being forced to interact specifically with people they might not want to

I don't care if that means some kids are left out, that's honestly how life works

It's how my school dances always went

There's always a few kids no one will touch or dance with

This school, and subsequent grades in the same district, might also have dances that are like the ones we are more accustomed to. But this one is clearly set up to be conducted a certain way. I don't ever remember practicing dances moves in school before a dance, only being allowed to dance with a person once, and having to put my choices in a card beforehand. This seems to be a dance with a specific purpose in mind.

If this is how all of the dances are done for these kids through high school, then yeah, I'd say that's clearly an inappropriate way to go about it.

Valkyr1983 · Feb 13, 2018

Posty McPostface said:
This school, and subsequent grades in the same district, might also have dances that are like the ones we are more accustomed to. But this one is clearly set up to be conducted a certain way. I don't ever remember practicing dances moves in school before a dance, only being allowed to dance with a person once, and having to put my choices in a card beforehand. This seems to be a dance with a specific purpose in mind.

If this is how all of the dances are done for these kids through high school, then yeah, I'd say that's clearly an inappropriate way to go about it.

Right but if all the dancing is a large group event / choreographed then what's the need for the cards noting who you want to dance with?

Posty McPostface · Feb 13, 2018

Valkyr1983 said:
Right but if all the dancing is a large group event / choreographed then what's the need for the cards noting who you want to dance with?

There are probably dances that require partners. I don't think there is any confusion on this point. That wouldn't mean it's not a structured or coreographed event. There might be some songs where you can do whatever you want, but clearly there are certain styles of music and dancing that will take place, which is why they learn them beforehand.

ShyMel · Feb 13, 2018

Children should not be forced to dance with others they do not want to. We need to do better at letting children that they can say no to not just things like this, but from touching and such from other children and also adults.

Sokrates · Feb 13, 2018

Taking the wrong lessons from #MeToo. Little Weinsteins in the making instead of little Einsteins.

Valkyr1983 · Feb 13, 2018

Posty McPostface said:
There are probably dances that require partners. I don't think there is any confusion on this point. That wouldn't mean it's not a structured or coreographed event. There might be some songs where you can do whatever you want, but clearly there are certain styles of music and dancing that will take place, which is why they learn them beforehand.

Ok?

Your still potentially forcing children to partner with someone they don't want to to avoid hurt feelings

And this is not in a classroom educational setting

Let's be real, it's a social event

Let the kids work it out, If someone is ignored then that's life

Juste · Feb 13, 2018

Valkyr1983 said:
Ok?

Your still potentially forcing children to partner with someone they don't want to to avoid hurt feelings

And this is not in a classroom educational setting

Let's be real, it's a social event

Let the kids work it out, If someone is ignored then that's life

Yea lets be exclusionary with literal children in the name of "keeping it real", like that autistic boy who's birthday party no one showed up to.

Yung Coconut · Feb 13, 2018

I think this thread is an overreaction. Maybe kids will dance with someone they wouldn't have ever associated with and realize that they aren't so different? If a kid had a legit problem with anyone else I can't imagine they would be forced to dance if they talked to their teacher? Plus it seems specific to this dance and if a kid doesn't want to participate they don't have to? This just comes off as fake internet outrage 101. I just don't get the impression this is just girls being told they have to dance with boys because they have no say in the matter. The same rules apply to every gender.

Then again it's also obvious people are going to flip over this no matter what, so bad choice on the school regardless. I mean, look at this thread.

lenovox1 · Feb 13, 2018

Juste said:
Yea lets be exclusionary with literal children in the name of "keeping it real", like that autistic boy who's birthday party no one showed up to.

It is not a school's responsibility to protect kids from ALL the hurt and pain they may go through in any given social setting. That simply isn't possible.

Posty McPostface · Feb 13, 2018

Valkyr1983 said:
Ok?

Your still potentially forcing children to partner with someone they don't want to to avoid hurt feelings

And this is not in a classroom educational setting

Let's be real, it's a social event

Let the kids work it out, If someone is ignored then that's life

Lots of extracurricular school activities can result in interactions with kids you don't like. People are getting hung up on this one because instead of acting in a school play, you're dancing. But I don't see a functional difference as long as the kids and parents are told beforehand what the rules are. People are acting like kids are being told to choose between going to a big social event like the prom and dance with whomever chooses you, or stay home. But I doubt this is how this dance is viewed. A lot of kids would probably rather go to Jessica's birthday party dance and do whatever they want while Drake plays in the background than to go line dancing with the kid who wears cowboy boots with shorts and talks nonstop about his nunchuck collection.

Valkyr1983 · Feb 13, 2018

Juste said:
Yea lets be exclusionary with literal children in the name of "keeping it real", like that autistic boy who's birthday party no one showed up to.

Instead let's just give participation awards to everyone, make sure everyone gets a partner they want, everyone makes the team, etc

All in the name of being inclusionary and not hurting anyone's feelings

Yeah that story about the autistic boys bday is sad. Sometimes life is sad. Should private bdays be mandatory so this doesn't happen?

I've seen it happen in real life, but is this the solution? Some people are just destined to not be "wanted". Forcing others to like them isn't the right answer

subpar spatula · Feb 13, 2018

Valkyr1983 said:
Ok?

Your still potentially forcing children to partner with someone they don't want to to avoid hurt feelings

And this is not in a classroom educational setting

Let's be real, it's a social event

Let the kids work it out, If someone is ignored then that's life

It's a voluntary event where the students are told before hand what will happen as they were told to write down names with people you want to dance with and are taught the dances.

Let's be real, it's a choreographed event, the kids who don't want to participate can stay home. If some kids want to go but don't like the rules? That's life.

Cokie Bear · Feb 13, 2018

I think the thread title needs updated, I can't find anything from th school that says they're forced to say yes. The school says they'd like them to say yes to be nice, not that they're required to.

Juste · Feb 13, 2018

lenovox1 said:
It is not a school's responsibility to protect kids from ALL the hurt and pain they may go through in any given social setting. That simply isn't possible.

That applies to this particular event how? Where it is not only possible, but apparently a long tradition?

Valkyr1983 said:
Instead let's just give participation awards to everyone, make sure everyone gets a partner they want, everyone makes the team, etc

All in the name of being inclusionary and not hurting anyone's feelings

Yeah that story about the autistic boys bday is sad. Sometimes life is sad. Should private bdays be mandatory so this doesn't happen?

I've seen it happen in real life, but is this the solution? Some people are just destined to not be "wanted". Forcing others to like them isn't the right answer

In the context of literal elementary children at a school function, yes promoting inclusion is the solution. From what I recall in elementary school, everyone did in fact make the team. Life lessons like making the team are usually a graded tier taught between Jr. High, High School, and young adulthood.

Sly Chimera · Feb 13, 2018

Are you guys offended by a gym class where they let the kids pick their own teams and you can't say no because we used to have those all the time.

subpar spatula · Feb 13, 2018

Sly Chimera said:
Are you guys offended by a gym class where they let the kids pick their own teams and you can't say no because we used to have those all the time.

That's fine. They can do that if they want. However, my school was always random and the teacher just pointed at who is on who's team.

It's a little hypocritical for some people to say people should accept rejection because that's life, bruh but maybe another life lesson is don't go to things you don't want to go to and not all events are going to meet your requirements?

Yung Coconut · Feb 13, 2018

Valkyr1983 said:
Ok?

Your still potentially forcing children to partner with someone they don't want to to avoid hurt feelings

And this is not in a classroom educational setting

Let's be real, it's a social event

Let the kids work it out, If someone is ignored then that's life

I've been forced to partner with people I didn't want to from elementary through college , now in my profession and even during social events. Some people I changed my mind about and others just reaffirmed my original opinion. This is what happens in the real world when you leave your house.

And yes, it is a social event. If the kids don't want to participate they don't have to. If someone feels left out because they don't like the structure of the dance let them work it out. That's also life. I don't get to go to events all of the time for many reasons like this. Where is twitter/era's outrage on my behalf?

mute · Feb 13, 2018

The whole thing seems weird looking back on it but I want to say we were assigned partners when we did this sort of thing in grade school. Vast majority of the time it was just line dancing but if partners were necessary you just went with who you were assigned and got on with it. This was part of class though not a "school dance".

Cokie Bear · Feb 13, 2018

Sly Chimera said:
Are you guys offended by a gym class where they let the kids pick their own teams and you can't say no because we used to have those all the time.

I remember in a school trip once we had to cross a busy road so all the kids had to hold hands and I ended up holding hands with the girls on either side of me. We were 9 or 10 so nobody wanted to hold hands with someone of the opposite gender because it wasn't cool, but no one was damaged as a result of not being able to say no.

Just_a_Mouse · Feb 13, 2018

Sly Chimera said:
Are you guys offended by a gym class where they let the kids pick their own teams and you can't say no because we used to have those all the time.

I have always thought that was incredibly degrading, practically bullying. I hope it is no longer a thing in schools.

Deleted member 907 · Feb 13, 2018

American Eskimo said:
Are you familiar with line dancing?

School desks are placed closer together than the average position of people doing the dance.

Do you with Joey should consent to who gets to sit around him in the classroom?

Putting on a performance is different than having a peer approach you of their own volition to ask you to dance and you being obligated to do so.

Principate said:
Errrrr schools ask this all the time.

I mean I was asked to stand in line with other students tightly during fire alarms and shoulder to shoulder for height comparisons. Since stuff was by alphabet you had no choice about the order. PE excerises you get group up and if you weren't able to find a partner your forced together.

Fire safety drills and health surveys are different than having a peer approach you of their own volition to ask you to dance and you being obligated to do so.

It's not a hard concept to grasp.

Cokie Bear · Feb 13, 2018

Power of Sparda said:
Putting on a performance is different than having a peer approach you of their own volition to ask you to dance and you being obligated to do so.

Fire safety drills and health surveys are different than having a peer approach you of their own volition to ask you to dance and you being obligated to do so.

It's not a hard concept to grasp.

You're not obligated to do so. The school said they'd like people to say yes but despite the title of the thread and article there's nothing indicating they're forced to say yes.

Yung Coconut · Feb 13, 2018

Sly Chimera said:
Are you guys offended by a gym class where they let the kids pick their own teams and you can't say no because we used to have those all the time.

What!? Girls being told they have no choice in what they do in gym and even the boys being forced to do gym activities with the kids that would be left out otherwise? What's wrong with people?

Gravy Boat said:
You're not obligated to do so. The school said they'd like people to say yes but despite the title of the thread and article there's nothing indicating they're forced to say yes.

There was something to read besides the thread title?

Principate · Feb 13, 2018

Power of Sparda said:
Putting on a performance is different than having a peer approach you of their own volition to ask you to dance and you being obligated to do so.

Fire safety drills and health surveys are different than having a peer approach you of their own volition to ask you to dance and you being obligated to do so.

It's not a hard concept to grasp.

Class activites involved this constantly in school, from PE to math. Have you never seen or been forced to pair up with someone for an activity in school?

Yung Coconut said:
What!? Girls being told they have no choice in what they do and others being forced to do gym activities with the kids that would be left out otherwise? What's wrong with people?

There was something to read besides the thread title?

This rule was for all members of the class boys dancing with boys and girls dancing with girls. It's to encourage friendship making and social activity within the class beyond your usual peer group. Something that's even done with students all the up to university in the uk.

Principate · Feb 13, 2018

double post.

Deleted member 10737 · Feb 13, 2018

not a good idea, kids should experience rejection. having kids raised this way only makes their life harder when they're on their own.

Kids at one Utah Elementary must say yes if another kid asks to dance

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